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TenCentFang posted:The reversal on what counts as good Dragon Ball has always saddened me. I liked when Broly was the coolest character ever. Also, Super is bad. It's true, the coolest character was the one whose motivation was literally "a baby cried too much next to me when I was a baby." Why can't characters have that kind of deep and detailed writing now?
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Josuke Higashikata posted:And who exactly put Gohan in the oven all those years ago???? 
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Sep 20, 2017 20:07
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Gohan really needed to keep his 12 year old hair style. Or the Future Gohan look.
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Sep 20, 2017 20:08
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Burkion posted:Gohan really needed to keep his 12 year old hair style. Gohan was smart enough to know that mullets were on the way out.
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Sep 20, 2017 20:09
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Kashuno posted:why does Kale turn white when she powers up Saiyan super(wo)men are our superiors.
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Sep 20, 2017 20:11
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ImpAtom posted:It's true, the coolest character was the one whose motivation was literally "a baby cried too much next to me when I was a baby." Why can't characters have that kind of deep and detailed writing now? I don't ask much from my fightman shows. Looking for deep and detailed writing in Dragon Ball is like looking for Christian allegory in Beyblade.
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Sep 20, 2017 20:14
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Kashuno posted:why does Kale turn white when she powers up I assume her skin is stretching out, though that's probably way more thought than they put into it.
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Neo_Crimson posted:Gohan was smart enough to know that mullets were on the way out. wasn't his 12 y/o style the one he had when he killed cell
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Sep 20, 2017 20:16
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TenCentFang posted:Christian allegory in Beyblade. Tell me more.
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Sep 20, 2017 20:17
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TenCentFang posted:I don't ask much from my fightman shows. Looking for deep and detailed writing in Dragon Ball is like looking for Christian allegory in Beyblade. I hate to tell you this, but 
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Manatee Cannon posted:wasn't his 12 y/o style the one he had when he killed cell Yeah, that's the one. It's like, his only distinctive hair style. Future Gohan basically has it, just shorter.
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Sep 20, 2017 20:18
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Burkion posted:God I wish the DBZ wiki was as self aware and great as the Transformers wiki Bardock was the legendary super saiyan.
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Sep 20, 2017 20:18
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Kashuno posted:Goku is directly responsible for forcing most universes to literally fight or die. At least if Zeno just wiped them out he could’ve just done it while everyone was living their lives, not knowing their failure will be directly responsible for the deaths of trillions This is a really weird way to rationalize that
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Sep 20, 2017 20:21
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deadly_pudding posted:I hate to tell you this, but That's Judaic, obviously.
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Sep 20, 2017 20:21
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ImpAtom posted:It's true, the coolest character was the one whose motivation was literally "a baby cried too much next to me when I was a baby." Why can't characters have that kind of deep and detailed writing now? When I first got into DBZ like a decade or so ago, I didn't watch any of the movies or anime - both were no longer being broadcast with any regularity as far as I could tell - so my exposure to movie characters like Broly and all the filler anime stuff was purely through the video games. I thought Broly looked super cool because I was 12, but when I found out his motivation was revenge for having to listen to Goku cry, I thought that was brilliant. Why, building up a super tough overpowered villain like that and then giving him the most pathetic and silly motivation possible was Akira Toriyama as hell! Surely the movie was fantastic! Anyway long story short many years later I finally saw, the movie, and they kept trying to play Broly straight even after the reveal, and it was bad and dumb. The lesson I've learned over the years is that all the anime, movie, and GT characters sound super awesome if you haven't actually seen any of that stuff, and I was a very lucky kid to be operating under the misguided assumption that the movie villains were cool for so long.
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Sep 20, 2017 20:29
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Kashuno posted:why does Kale turn white when she powers up I assumed it's just her fuckin ki glow brightening her features.
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Sep 20, 2017 20:36
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Dr. Wheelo is still cool 
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Sep 20, 2017 20:37
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TenCentFang posted:I don't ask much from my fightman shows. Looking for deep and detailed writing in Dragon Ball is like looking for Christian allegory in Beyblade. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xtl-KV7rXlw&t=283s
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Sep 20, 2017 20:40
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oh shiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiit consider that notice served
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Sep 20, 2017 20:46
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Zinkraptor posted:Anyway long story short many years later I finally saw, the movie, and they kept trying to play Broly straight even after the reveal, and it was bad and dumb. The lesson I've learned over the years is that all the anime, movie, and GT characters sound super awesome if you haven't actually seen any of that stuff, and I was a very lucky kid to be operating under the misguided assumption that the movie villains were cool for so long. The first Broly movie is still awesome, unironically, and also it introduced me to Pantera. After Bojack the films all start sucking really bad. Battle of the Gods was pretty good, but then the franchise resumed sucking.
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That first Broly movie is bad and also propaganda for some weird cult the writer or someone was involved in.
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Sep 20, 2017 20:53
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Raxivace posted:That first Broly movie is bad and also propaganda for some weird cult the writer or someone was involved in. Well now you have to tell us that story 
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Sep 20, 2017 20:59
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I think someone relayed the whole thing in either the last thread or the thread before that one but iirc it had something to do with hands?
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Sep 20, 2017 21:04
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I think Kakunsa was pretty cool because she went gao gao a lot
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Sep 20, 2017 21:07
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deadly_pudding posted:Well now you have to tell us that story quote:Sukyo Mahikari introduces a practice to purify one's spiritual aspect as an expedient toward attaining happiness. Radiating Light from the palm of the hand is a method of spiritual purification that cleanses the spirit, mind and body. It is said to help open the way to resolving all manner of problems. By purifying the spiritual aspect with the Light and leading a life based on principles of sustainability, people can revive their spirituality and attain increasing health, harmony and prosperity. Another example might be the first Cooler movie where Goku brings a bird back to life by holding it.
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Sep 20, 2017 21:07
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Raxivace posted:Consider how Broly is defeated- everyone sending their ki into Goku through their hands. Both of those things are perfectly in line with DB canon.
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Sep 20, 2017 21:08
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The closest thing to that Broly scene is Super Saiyan God, which was conceived well after and doesn't even defeat Beerus. As far as I can recall Goku doesn't have the power to bring dead animals back to life in the manga either.
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Sep 20, 2017 21:12
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Momomo posted:Hey Dende does an alright job as guardian, he even powered the dragon up. If we wanna talk about poo poo management, that's entirely on Shin. All I see is a box of bandaids with a butler.
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Sep 20, 2017 21:14
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Raxivace posted:The closest thing to that Broly scene is Super Saiyan God, which was conceived well after and doesn't even defeat Beerus. But he DOES have the power to read people's minds.
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Sep 20, 2017 21:17
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Raxivace posted:The closest thing to that Broly scene is Super Saiyan God, which was conceived well after and doesn't even defeat Beerus. People were giving and absorbing energy constantly. Even if it was put in thinking of their weird religion, what does it even matter when it fits the universe like a glove and there's absolutely nothing in the film itself that'd make you think it was anything like that? If Toriyama was Christian you probably wouldn't call wishing people back to life Christian propaganda.
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Sep 20, 2017 21:17
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Wait outside of spirit bombs (and I think only the last one) when have people given energy? That doesn't happen in DB outside SS Goku V Frieza
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Sep 20, 2017 21:26
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TenCentFang posted:People were giving and absorbing energy constantly. quote:Even if it was put in thinking of their weird religion, what does it even matter when it fits the universe like a glove and there's absolutely nothing in the film itself that'd make you think it was anything like that? Knowing the writer's religious beliefs only contextualizes these elements. quote:If Toriyama was Christian you probably wouldn't call wishing people back to life Christian propaganda. I might convert if that were the case!
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CharlestheHammer posted:Wait outside of spirit bombs (and I think only the last one) when have people given energy? Piccolo gets energy from Krillin and Gohan when he goes up against Frieza to help give Goku spirit bomb time.
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Sep 20, 2017 21:29
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It's just a weird thing to criticize the movie over. Bottomline, it's better than people give it credit for these days.
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Sep 20, 2017 21:32
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Hm...Dragonball, Dragonball Z, Dragonball Super, and all the movies, are...enjoyable.
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Sep 20, 2017 21:34
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Broly? Nah it basically is the perfect example of why the movies tend to be bad.
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Sep 20, 2017 21:34
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Kashuno posted:Hm...Dragonball, Dragonball Z, Dragonball Super, and all the movies, are...enjoyable. The movies are garbage
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Sep 20, 2017 21:34
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Dragon Ball is good. Dragon Ball Z is mostly good. Cell from Imperfect Cell onwards is loving dire. Dragon Ball Super is also good. About...three movies are good. DB Wiki is bad.
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Sep 20, 2017 21:35
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Cell struggles because he starts out with a goal but once he reached it he has nothing else to do. So they slap a generic goal on him and shrug.
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Souls in hell getting purified and reincarnated into newborns sounds pretty Buddhist to me!
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