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MA-Horus posted:They said there was a signal going out along with the beacon. Yeah, that's why the speakers on the bridge went nuts, they were basically sending out a constant tone on subspace as loud as they could.
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MA-Horus posted:Echoing the goon who said this was very pretty from a visual point of view. Apparently CBS was poaching the best set carpenters/designers and makeup artists they could find in Toronto and weren't stingy on the cash, and it shows. I thought the visuals and all that were great. No qualms there. Which episode are you talking about? The Turnabout Intruder?
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Sep 25, 2017 16:27
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Delthalaz posted:I thought the visuals and all that were great. No qualms there. The Menagerie. Going to Talos was a death penalty offence.
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Sep 25, 2017 16:37
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mythicknight posted:Did Sarek's hologram just lean/sit down on her table edge? I actually thought this was kind of neat. Presumably Sarek sits down on something in whatever room he's in, and the hologram jumps around for a moment trying to figure out how to best represent that, then moves the hologram so that it appears to sit on the starship console.
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Sep 25, 2017 16:39
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I'm appalled that people think this show is pretty
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Sep 25, 2017 16:41
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Al Borland Corp. posted:One thing I just realized. The Klingons signalled the other Klingons with that giant, bright beacon of light. Uh, how close were the other Klingons? Isn't the speed of light limited by, like, the speed of light? Subspace signal or not, Sarek also commented on "a new star" showing up when Mike facetimed him. So either the entire premier took place in the Vulcan home star-system, the Vulcans had an observation satellite really close by, or it's another case of vast distances being meaningless in JJTrek.
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Well if they sent out subspace messages too at least it makes sense. I guess they were following the rule of cool with that flare but it's a total waste that didn't do anything. Being able to totally blind a group of starships suddenly would be a great weapon, for instance, instead of just making people uneasy for a couple minutes.
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bango skank posted:Subspace signal or not, Sarek also commented on "a new star" showing up when Mike facetimed him. So either the entire premier took place in the Vulcan home star-system, the Vulcans had an observation satellite really close by, or it's another case of vast distances being meaningless in JJTrek. Who needs an observation satellite when there is a Starfleet ship right next to the beacon and a fleet of ships approaching at warp scanning it with multiple federation outposts a few light years away mentioned earlier on. I don't think it was meant seriously anyway.
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Gaz-L posted:The Menagerie. Going to Talos was a death penalty offence. Oh right, yeah, I remember that. But that's before Star Trek went through 7,000 hours of utopian imagining. The Federation we've known for the past 30 years is a post-historical paradise established following world war 3 and first contact. It's a better place populated by better people, and it definitely shouldn't have violent prisons - gently caress we shouldn't have that poo poo now. I'm worried this is turning into Battlestar.
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the feelgood star trek show you were hoping for already exists. its called fentanyl.
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It's going to be weird if they don't have a few Constellation class or a pre-refit Miranda class in the show, given they totally exist in canon at this point. I wonder how hard they're going to lean on TOS besides sound effects. It's cool to name drop Andorians and Tellarites but I really hope we don't get weekly "nudge nudge hey remember this" reminders. Weirder still, if Discovery hits the 7 year mark of the other shows minus Enterprise, we'd be something like two years before the start Kirk's run on the TOS and well into Pike's run. The fact that both the Feds and the Klanks had new ships makes me think they MIGHT actually try to stay self-contained. i really wanted to see a D-7.
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Reindeer Flotilla posted:Not sure why the Shenzhou crew was worried about the captain - they had an SPD Red Ranger on the bridge for any needed leadership scenarios, as well as a proven track record of winning fights against people in bad alien makeup. IMDB's credits list for the episodes is a mess right now for some reason. They're listing Rainn Wilson as appearing in those first two episodes. But you're right, that was definitely Chris Violette as one of the Shenzhou officers. And he was SPD Blue throughout the series. It's not until the final episode he's promoted to red. 
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Mortanis posted:It's going to be weird if they don't have a few Constellation class or a pre-refit Miranda class in the show, given they totally exist in canon at this point.
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Jose Mengelez posted:the feelgood star trek show you were hoping for already exists. its called fentanyl. believe me I know
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AceOfFlames posted:I just dont understand why make it at all then. I can no longer watch these sorts of shows because any sort of optimism makes me sad that I am watching something that could have been but won't. A "realistic" version of the future would just be 30 minutes or so of neo primitive tribes killing and raping over and over but who would want to watch that? I sure don't. Original star trek came out in the middle of the cold war and was basically "what if we solved the cold war on earth then met double super russians in space to have a cold war with" star trek has always been a world where all current problems got fixed then just met those same exact problems in space metaphors.
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bango skank posted:Subspace signal or not, Sarek also commented on "a new star" showing up when Mike facetimed him. So either the entire premier took place in the Vulcan home star-system, the Vulcans had an observation satellite really close by, or it's another case of vast distances being meaningless in JJTrek. Yeah, just like in the JJ Abrams reboot movie, when a star going supernova destroyed Romulus/Remus, even though it would take several years before the effects traveling at the speed of light could propagate. Or Old Spock seeing the destruction of Vulcan from a different planet which looks to be as far away from Vulcan as Luna is from Terra.
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I think (hope) that we'll get the feel-good Trek when they show the Federation's ideals shining through the ugliness of war.
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I think it's funny that everybody's ragging on T'Kuvma for "breaking the cease fire." He did no such thing. He said he would cease firing. He said he would send his envoy. He then proceeded to ram said envoy into the admiral's ship. At no point were shots fired. He followed the letter of what he said he was going to do. He was an rear end in a top hat, but not a liar. I think it was about as true a Klingon move as you can get.
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macnbc posted:I think it's funny that everybody's ragging on T'Kuvma for "breaking the cease fire." The admirals mistake was asking for a ceasefire instead of a ceaseram
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macnbc posted:I think it's funny that everybody's ragging on T'Kuvma for "breaking the cease fire." The ramming did result in a lot of actual fire, though. 
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Decent show. CBS is dumb as gently caress if they think people are going to add on another streaming service for 1 loving show.  ST:D
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I did a thing posted:Decent show. CBS is dumb as gently caress if they think people are going to add on another streaming service for 1 loving show. Big Brother and Survivor fans already have reason to get it.
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Doggles posted:IMDB's credits list for the episodes is a mess right now for some reason. They're listing Rainn Wilson as appearing in those first two episodes. But you're right, that was definitely Chris Violette as one of the Shenzhou officers. Well he was also red when he fought the guy who killed his dad. I couldn't watch episode 2, is he still alive?
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I did a thing posted:Decent show. CBS is dumb as gently caress if they think people are going to add on another streaming service for 1 loving show. Don't forget that Netflix is distributing the show internationally, so even if the US numbers aren't that strong, the show could still be labeled a success based on how it performs elsewhere.
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Finally got a chance to watch both episodes. Unsolicited and unorganized thoughts.
Overall I liked it. Not a great start, but it was way stronger than Broken Bow or Caretaker were, which is a good (and easy) record to beat.
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I hope the Klingons win the war and destroy the Federation.
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LOL getting hung up about the bright light and 'new star' isn't necessary, this isn't nearly as stupid as seeing an extremely distant planet blow up in the loving sky with your bare eyes like JJ Trek. In addition to the bright light it obviously sent out some dumb ftl subspace signal or whatever. It was detected using magic subspace long distance sensors. Like Star Trek does not operate with relativity- everyone experiences events accoridng to a universal simultaneous time.
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Jose Oquendo posted:Don't forget that Netflix is distributing the show internationally, so even if the US numbers aren't that strong, the show could still be labeled a success based on how it performs elsewhere. Which makes CBS marketing of this show even weirder to me. CBS is basically telling U.S. Star Trek fans that they are going to bear the complete cost of producing this show or they are never going to see it. The attempt to prop up it's streaming service is just unreasonably heavy handed. There's going to be potential fans and supporters that simply can't afford it or refuse to subscribe. Available info says that the first season will have 15 episodes and I'd assume all of those have already been filmed. Why not release all of those at one time to a subscriber? Or, even release half now and half a few months from now if they want to insure people maintain their subscription. I'm sure I'll watch it all at some point but I'm not going to maintain a subscription to All Access over a four month period just for this show, no matter how good it may be.
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I don't think the "new star" thing is a problem at all, that's a reasonably common way to refer to some abnormally bright celestial body, like a supernova, in layman's terms and the amount of light the beacon gave off was clearly way more than any normal star. Mind you, I feel like you would not want to be anywhere near anything that emitted that much light, even in a starship. That's a lot of photons. e: and yeah Star Trek doesn't do relativity 99% of the time
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Delthalaz posted:LOL getting hung up about the bright light and 'new star' isn't necessary, this isn't nearly as stupid as seeing an extremely distant planet blow up in the loving sky with your bare eyes like JJ Trek Or JJ Star Wars for that matter.
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skasion posted:I don't think the "new star" thing is a problem at all, that's a reasonably common way to refer to some abnormally bright celestial body, like a supernova, in layman's terms and the amount of light the beacon gave off was clearly way more than any normal star. To be fair, they did pay lip service to how fuckin' bright it was when Captain Georgiou told them to polarize the viewport or whatever and Lt. Doug Jones said they were already polarized all the way.
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This looked great, was fast, fun, and exciting. Easily the strongest premier to a Star Trek series. I am disappointed that Michelle Yeoh is gone, but Sonequa Martin-Green is a great lead, I'm looking forward to Jason Isaacs showing up, and that sort of willingness to upend things is a great sign. Doug Jones is as wonderful as I hoped he'd be, hopefully he shows up on the next ship as well. Definitely looking forward to the rest of the run. I do hope we get a deeper dive into the Klingons at some point. I'm happy to give the show some room to work, but there has to be more to the now-dead Klingon leader guy that all these houses will fall in line behind him than a sixty-second speech about being Klingon. Or, at least, there should be.
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Nick Rivers posted:I hope the Klingons win the war and destroy the Federation. hell, same stand up against cultural imperialism let not the enemy at your door in that claims "to come in peace" lest next thing you know you're drinking root beer
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Berke Negri posted:let not the enemy at your door in that claims "to come in peace" lest next thing you know you're drinking prune juice Fixed
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Mental Hospitality posted:Well, I finally got to watching the second part of the premiere, and....I liked it? I feel like it could end up being more 'Trek: 'The Expanse'" than any Star Trek I've ever known, but I'm okay with that. The special effects were quite lovely, but the added lens flare/bloom and stupid tilty cam shots were completely unnecessary and cheapen the drama imo. I think the Klingon unification story is actually kind of entertaining considering they were a joke at times in the previous shows. The expanse is smart though, and expects the audience to pay attention. They do show, don't tell. Star trek is mainstream hollywood stupid poo poo where everything is explained 4 times before it happens so nobody is lost. Tighclops posted:The Expanse had flawed but more importantly likable characters and a plausible, compelling fictional world with a strong visual design language to support it from episode one though Yep. In Discovery the characters felt dramatic for cliched reasons, because they wanted drama. It doesn't feel real or make sense. In Expanse the characters have drama because they're real people with real believable backstories that happen to conflict in real ways.
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I really liked this mini-series fan fiction of starting a klingon war. Hopefully they can turn this in to a cool show like bsg did after their mini series. Though I don't see how since they killed the captain and sentenced the main character to life in prison and killed the main klingon bad guy. 
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Tighclops posted:I'm appalled that people think this show is pretty Same, I was reading a review that said they worked technical magic to make this look better than the Abrams films. I mean, I guess those weren't perfect, but this is actually garish. Its ugly. Everything is chunky plastic and sequined pajamas and bad lighting... why?
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Mortanis posted:The fact that both the Feds and the Klanks had new ships makes me think they MIGHT actually try to stay self-contained. I don't think its so much "self contained" as "zero respect for the source material, going to re-invent everything because our way is better" Drone posted:[*]Giving the Klingons this loving awful Giger-meets-Chronicles of Riddick aesthetic is the loving worst thing. Nailed it. Zaphod42 fucked around with this message at 19:08 on Sep 25, 2017 |
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Hi, Shenzhou? This Clem Fandango, can you hear me?
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Zaphod42 posted:The expanse is smart though, and expects the audience to pay attention. They do show, don't tell. Star trek is mainstream hollywood stupid poo poo where everything is explained 4 times before it happens so nobody is lost. This, 1000x this. Discovery is so poorly written with all the drama manufactured rather than coming naturally from the characters and plot.
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