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Tunicate posted:Starfleet claimed a klingon holy site as part of their territory, trespassed upon it, then killed the high priest with his own ceremonial weapon. It's a spaceship, not a site. No matter who likes it or not, Trekkie or not, the Klingons were poorly done. Skin should look like skin and a person should be able to speak their own language. And that was the scene they chose to make the first impression. It was a poor choice.
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marktheando posted:It was cool that the guys racial power of sensing death was actually just being a huge coward. that line wasn't meant to be "i can literally sense death", it was just him saying "my people used to be mice on a planet full of eagles, we're very good at knowing when badtimes are imminent"
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Sep 25, 2017 22:11
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wormil posted:It's a spaceship, not a site. I liked the klingons new look. Also lol at complaining about their skin not looking real in a star trek show. Atreiden fucked around with this message at 22:15 on Sep 25, 2017 |
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Sep 25, 2017 22:11
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Tunicate posted:Starfleet claimed a klingon holy site as part of their territory, trespassed upon it, then killed the high priest with his own ceremonial weapon. Do we know that? I kind of assumed dude brought the beacon to Starfleet territory in/with his ship when he decided to put on his show for the great houses. Speaking of Sarek, the phone-a-friend does seem silly, especially with them showing off two different versions of it. Instead of the interstellar telepathy, they could've made that vision of Sarek a representation of the aftereffects of their mind meld. It'd give Michael an audience-friendly way to work out her thoughts without making it just calling dad for help.
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Sep 25, 2017 22:23
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Tunicate posted:Yeah the klingons are pretty clearly in the right throughout the entire episode. Wonder if anyone's translated the Fourteen Words into klingon yet?
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Sep 25, 2017 22:30
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Atreiden posted:I liked the klingons new look. Also lol at complaining about their skin not looking real in a star trek show.  They look fine, they sound fine, the show is p good star trek. Comparing it to other first episodes of the various series, it holds its own and then some. The sound design is magnificent. Doors whoosh, phase cannons phase and electrical sparklies sizzle. pew pew fuckers!
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Sep 25, 2017 22:33
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The only time this felt like Star Trek to me was when she was travelling to and exploring the object before landing on it like a dumbass.
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Sep 25, 2017 23:01
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Just swap the licences with Orville and it'll be fine. McFarlane will do Trek, and these idiots can go fully self-contained.
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Sep 25, 2017 23:07
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I can't believe how bad this show is and doubly can't believe they'd actually use it to try and sell their streaming service. Surely at some point you look at what you have and realize it's time to start over or just abandon the idea altogether?
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Sep 25, 2017 23:07
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who was the woman (?) with the toaster for a head. my friend and I have been trying to figure this out all day. she gets taken to the med bay at the start of the battle in episode 2
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Sep 25, 2017 23:09
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Ok so the black greasepaint makeup on the Klingons is ugh, but I def want to see that Klingon lady with the face ornamentation up close sometime soon. SHOW ME UR WEIRD ALIEN BODYMODS
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Sep 25, 2017 23:15
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HannibalBarca posted:who was the woman (?) with the toaster for a head. my friend and I have been trying to figure this out all day. she gets taken to the med bay at the start of the battle in episode 2 Some set visit report at one point was talking about a robot character called Airiam who is Lorca's aide or something. If so it's a little odd that there's one on Shenzhou too. Maybe Lorca is just headhunting the former Shenzhou crew, though why he'd want them is beyond me. Alternatively, it could be they're standard issue.
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Sep 25, 2017 23:17
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skasion posted:Some set visit report at one point was talking about a robot character called Airiam who is Lorca's aide or something. If so it's a little odd that there's one on Shenzhou too. Maybe Lorca is just headhunting the former Shenzhou crew, though why he'd want them is beyond me. Alternatively, it could be they're standard issue. pictures of Airiam make her look more like a person. this character literally just had a box for a head.
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Sep 25, 2017 23:22
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Did anyone make an honest good call in these episodes? Aside from the science officer that is. The captain allows an officer to risk their life for no reason when they should be waiting for backup, that same officer suggests landing on something that is emitting strange signals and might as well be a bomb or weapon, the Klingons all want to murder everyone including themselves and the Vulcans somehow decided that murdering people whenever they meet them is a good idea. Also that officer thinks knocking out their captain and trying to fool the crew into committing warcrimes is a good idea. Heck the crew is going along with it until the captain tells them no.
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Sep 25, 2017 23:24
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evilmiera posted:Did anyone make an honest good call in these episodes? T'Kuvma's plan isn't terrible way of accomplishing his stated goals tbh
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Sep 25, 2017 23:28
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HannibalBarca posted:pictures of Airiam make her look more like a person. this character literally just had a box for a head. Lmao when the ship went to red alert, it hijacked her head to flash "RED ALERT" on the screen
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Sep 25, 2017 23:30
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evilmiera posted:Did anyone make an honest good call in these episodes? Aside from the science officer that is. The captain allows an officer to risk their life for no reason when they should be waiting for backup, that same officer suggests landing on something that is emitting strange signals and might as well be a bomb or weapon, the Klingons all want to murder everyone including themselves and the Vulcans somehow decided that murdering people whenever they meet them is a good idea. Also that officer thinks knocking out their captain and trying to fool the crew into committing warcrimes is a good idea. Heck the crew is going along with it until the captain tells them no. Nope, zero good calls in the whole show other than lanky dude wanting to be cautious and being racially mocked for it. It's full JJ trek where apparently starfleet academy doesn't really train or screen anyone. Untreated PTSD and insubordinate? Yeah we'll make you command!
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Sep 25, 2017 23:33
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Serella posted:Ok so the black greasepaint makeup on the Klingons is ugh, ... Is Klingons doing blackface considered racist? I wonder if they mime.
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Sep 25, 2017 23:34
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Over Easy posted:
The phase cannons sounded like farts
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Sep 25, 2017 23:37
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I would be happy if we didn't see anything from the Klingon POV for the rest of the season because those scenes were such an interminable slog. If the war had to be a catalyst for the plot, so be it. But I have zero interest in exploring that conflict. They didn't sell me that it was anything other than a bog standard religious zealot plot. My biggest issue with this pilot is that I still really don't know what to expect from the rest of the season beside a vague redemption arc (even with the somewhat spoilerific upcoming season trailer.). They didn't give me much reason to look forward to next week's episode. Would I prefer that the production design tried a bit harder to bridge the gap to TOS,? Yup. Is it something that's make or break for me? Absolutely not. I recognize that they have to make it look relevant for today's audiences, but I still feel they spent way too much effort to make evening a bit too busy visually. More than anything though is I want it to be more than a generic sci-fi outing with start trek set dressing. So far, it's not doing anything good there, but maybe it will develop.
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Sep 25, 2017 23:40
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I legit enjoyed it. Of course, I massively preferred DS9 over TNG so anything that leads to explosions instead of polite discourse always gets my vote.evilmiera posted:the Vulcans somehow decided that murdering people whenever they meet them is a good idea To be fair, when the Vulcans met the Klingons they were the Enterprise-era Vulcans, so they would believe that murder is the best solution.
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Sep 25, 2017 23:45
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evilmiera posted:The captain allows an officer to risk their life for no reason when they should be waiting for backup,  evilmiera posted:that same officer suggests landing on something that is emitting strange signals and might as well be a bomb or weapon,  evilmiera posted:the Klingons all want to murder everyone including themselves  it's Star Trek alright
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Sep 25, 2017 23:49
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There's no reason to believe that site is and always has been a Klingon holy site. I doubt that thing, whatever it is since it gets immediately forgotten about, has been in such a volatile and chaotic system for very long. Even if for some reason it has been, the Klingon's didn't even know, how could the federation be expected to? The Klingons: Baited a trap Ignored several requests for dialog Attacked first Entered a cease fire in bad faith Surprise attacked the enemy flagship under a flag of truce. They're led by a proudly self proclaimed hyper nationalist who is obsessed with racial purity. Holy gently caress, like how much of a self flagellating,
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Sep 25, 2017 23:51
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As someone who doesn't know much about Star Trek, why were the Klingons so down on the Andorians? Like, that one Klingon guy goes off on rant about the Federation being comprised of Humans, Vulcans, Tellurians...and filthy Andorians," as if to say the first three are ok but Andorians? loving Andorians? gently caress those guys. Good pilot, I really enjoyed it. Highlights were the prettiness of the visuals, the lead actress, and the science officer guy's caution being played for laughs until it gets gradually more obvious that he's right and there is something off about the whole setup.
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counterfeitsaint posted:There's no reason to believe that site is and always has been a Klingon holy site. I doubt that thing, whatever it is since it gets immediately forgotten about, has been in such a volatile and chaotic system for very long. Even if for some reason it has been, the Klingon's didn't even know, how could the federation be expected to? Not racial purity - cultural. Klingons would be racially Klingons if they were in the Federation but they'd be entirely different people. He liked Albino Klingon dude even with his undesired racial stigma.
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Sep 25, 2017 23:59
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Beefeater1980 posted:Good pilot, I really enjoyed it. Highlights were the prettiness of the visuals, the lead actress, and the science officer guy's caution being played for laughs until it gets gradually more obvious that he's right and there is something off about the whole setup. He's also the only likable character still alive. I want him to take command.
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EvilHawk posted:Just saw both eps, having never seen a Star Trek series in full (I think I caught a few eps of TNG and a season or two of Enterprise). I have seen (and liked) both films, so I understand Trekkies will probably hate me. You're right. I hate you.
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EvilHawk posted:I was a bit worried when Michael tried to mutiny. It seemed really close to how Kirk takes power in the 2009 film, but they swerved away from it quite well And the show opens with the captain and science officer trying to save some random people who are about to go extinct from some natural phenomenon so they try to help without violating the prime directive even though they shouldn't And the bad guys have coffins with corpses in them that they keep on their ship And the (not) vulcan has a scene where they're in school and its really hard And there's huge lens flares Its really like somebody was going down a list checking off everything the Abrams films did. Yes, we did this too, we're covered.
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Atheist Sunglasses posted:Trekkies are the most delusional, entitled, insufferable, grognards of the highest grognardiest order, which is made ever so apparent with the opinions in this thread. It was a decent and interesting episode considering it was the first of the loving series. The show doesn't owe you poo poo and is never going to pander to your every tiny Asperger detail. However, the one thing I agree with is that having it be on CBS's stupid streaming service is massively dumb. I secretly hope it leads to it being cancelled and the franchise never being touched again, because the neckbeards certainly don't deserve it. The show doesn't owe me poo poo but the show IS poo poo. And if its poo poo, I'm just going to watch all of the tons of other SciFi shows that I have available. I'd rather watch TNG re-runs than STD, but I've also got Orville and Expanse and other poo poo. This thing is gonna crash and burn hard. Leyburn posted:Someone sack the loving director. Battlefield Earth all over again. gently caress, that's what the klingons look like! Although even as terrible as Battlefield Earth was, you could still catch some of John Travolta's acting coming out from under the makeup (even if it was hammy). In this the Klingons may as well be CG, they have no human qualities at all.
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Thom12255 posted:Not racial purity - cultural. Klingons would be racially Klingons if they were in the Federation but they'd be entirely different people. He liked Albino Klingon dude even with his undesired racial stigma. Okay, fair enough I guess. Doesn't justify their actions or make their motivations not reprehensible though.
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Beefeater1980 posted:As someone who doesn't know much about Star Trek, why were the Klingons so down on the Andorians? Like, that one Klingon guy goes off on rant about the Federation being comprised of Humans, Vulcans, Tellurians...and filthy Andorians," as if to say the first three are ok but Andorians? loving Andorians? gently caress those guys. Andorians are assholes. In Enterprise they were kind of clannish honor bound violent assholes, which made it amusing to me that Klingons wouldn't like them: too close for comfort maybe. I don't know if the line is supposed to go any deeper than that.
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DeafNote posted:dont know why its called Discovery yet either Unbelievable misnomer. Discovery sounds so much like we're getting classic Roddenberry Trek, and then NOPE, bait and switch, this is Star Trek: COLD WAR OF THRONES
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Over Easy posted:They look fine, they sound fine, the show is p good star trek. How can you possibly have such a low bar of quality? I mean if you think this you must be able to turn on the TV to literally any channel and be completely floored. Two and a half men? Hilarious! Big Bang Theory? Inspired! Varam posted:I can't believe how bad this show is and doubly can't believe they'd actually use it to try and sell their streaming service. Surely at some point you look at what you have and realize it's time to start over or just abandon the idea altogether? They did kinda try to re-polish the series, it got delayed and they re-CG'd it "to bring it up to the expectations of modern Star Trek" My guess was after spending the money to "fix" it they had to push it out the door to justify the cost. Zaphod42 fucked around with this message at 00:12 on Sep 26, 2017 |
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Frankly what the promotional material has shown of the Discovery itself makes it seem like we're talking less about Roddenberry styled discovery and more like some kind of Philadelphia experiment poo poo or something. Like they are trying to build a secret weapon and poo poo goes wrong. I really hope that isn't the case but that's just the vibe I'm getting.
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Beefeater1980 posted:As someone who doesn't know much about Star Trek, why were the Klingons so down on the Andorians? Like, that one Klingon guy goes off on rant about the Federation being comprised of Humans, Vulcans, Tellurians...and filthy Andorians," as if to say the first three are ok but Andorians? loving Andorians? gently caress those guys. I haven't seen much TOS, so I only know Andorians from Enterprise. In that period they're probably the most militaristic of the Federation's four founding species, so it might just be a rivalry thing. I don't really recall anything about Andorian culture that would be super offensive to Klingons. Really, they've probably got something to dislike about all of the four. Andorians might read as sort of a warped mirror of some parts of Klingon culture. Tellarites, if I recall correctly, are sort of soft merchant types. Humans are an evangelical hegemonizing swarm. Dispassionate Vulcans probably seem almost like robots to Klingons.
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If Andorians disparagingly call humans pink skins, I wonder what sort of name they have for Klingons? Probably the source of the animosity.
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skasion posted:Frankly what the promotional material has shown of the Discovery itself makes it seem like we're talking less about Roddenberry styled discovery and more like some kind of Philadelphia experiment poo poo or something. Like they are trying to build a secret weapon and poo poo goes wrong. I really hope that isn't the case but that's just the vibe I'm getting. I sort of agree. I honestly Have no idea where the hell they go from here. Sure the preview for the season shows her as a redemption arc but...where the gently caress does the story go from here? You start a intergalactic war and idk in 2 episodes a giant green hand in space? Like, how do you have a random one off monster of the week style episode or do they just keep upping the ante with the war talk? Or is doscovery kinda Klingon looking cause this captain agrees with her and they're gonna go try to bomb Kronos or some poo poo as a undercover ship Ittl probably be the section 31 show everyone always said they wanted lmao
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Mokotow posted:Just swap the licences with Orville and it'll be fine. McFarlane will do Trek, and these idiots can go fully self-contained. This show is a hundred times more Trek than The Orville. Starfleet's utopian values and mission is actually a central part of the plot of these two episodes, whereas so far in the Orville, for all we know "The Union" is a fascist dictatorship.
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Zaphod42 posted:How can you possibly have such a low bar of quality? You like The Orville. That poo poo is dreadful.
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skasion posted:Frankly what the promotional material has shown of the Discovery itself makes it seem like we're talking less about Roddenberry styled discovery and more like some kind of Philadelphia experiment poo poo or something. Like they are trying to build a secret weapon and poo poo goes wrong. I really hope that isn't the case but that's just the vibe I'm getting.
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