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Dracula Factory posted:For real though I'm going to be upset if Cap'n Ginyu isn't in at launch.
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Doggles posted:https://twitter.com/HellPockets/status/912419751481061377 Is this real life
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oh hey didn't realise this had a thread here. i played a ton of this at pax and during the beta, and this is probably the fighting game i've been most excited for since gg xrd. big green is the best btw
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Chaotic Flame posted:17 deserves to be his own character and not just an assist.
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IronicDongz posted:why though Super's done a lot of cool stuff with him
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I hope 17 wins the tournament and gets a suitable boat.
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Sep 28, 2017 20:35
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Super looks like it has an absolutely absurd story-line, even for Dragonball standards. That's fine though. What really bothers me whenever I watch clips is how garbage the art and animation are. There are plenty of high-quality anime these days, is Dragonball really not a big enough name to have some effort put into it? It reminds me of Teen Titans - Teen Titans GO! in the variance in presentation, only Teen Titans was a fairly popular kids show and Dragonball Z is arguably the most well known anime of all time. PantsBandit fucked around with this message at 20:49 on Sep 28, 2017 |
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Sep 28, 2017 20:38
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PantsBandit posted:Super looks like it has an absolutely absurd story-line, even for Dragonball standards. Dragonball Super is a weekly show which currently has over a hundred episodes. It is not a show that is going to get a high budget. (The same applies to DBZ and DB for that matter.)
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Sep 28, 2017 20:54
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ImpAtom posted:Dragonball Super is a weekly show which currently has over a hundred episodes. It is not a show that is going to get a high budget. (The same applies to DBZ and DB for that matter.) Then why was the art and animation so much better in DBZ then? I won't claim to think that original DBZ had amazing art and the animation could be rough at times too, but it seems like half the time the DB:S artists don't even know how to draw a normal looking face.
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Sep 28, 2017 20:56
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Toei also does Kamen Rider, Super Sentai, Pretty Cure, One Piece, a lot more stuff than Dragon Ball. Something's gotta be the short stick.
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Sep 28, 2017 21:01
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PantsBandit posted:Then why was the art and animation so much better in DBZ then? I won't claim to think that original DBZ had amazing art and the animation could be rough at times too, but it seems like half the time the DB:S artists don't even know how to draw a normal looking face. You're badly misremembering the original Dragonball Z then.    Like pretty much every anime the original Dragonball Z had moments of high-quality animation and art and moments of really lovely animation and art. What you might be focusing on is the difference in color-pallet (pre digital coloring) and the difference in art style (Super has a lot thinner character designs in general.)
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PantsBandit posted:Then why was the art and animation so much better in DBZ then? I won't claim to think that original DBZ had amazing art and the animation could be rough at times too, but it seems like half the time the DB:S artists don't even know how to draw a normal looking face. animation and its surrounding industry was very different back in DBZ's day, it's pretty impossible to compare them for that reason alone. anime studios are expected to churn out a lot more content now and aren't really hiring the staffs necessary to do that while keeping any sort of content. (e: this of course has exceptions, there are studios that treat their animators well and produce reliable quality work) also a lot of shows are aimed at kids who don't really care as long as it reaches a minimum level of quality, and the shows that are aimed at older audiences can fix shoddy animation in blu-ray releases. not because of the media format mind you, but because there's less crunch and because it means people will buy them and they'll effectively double-dip One Piece is basically the biggest single property ever at this point in japan and even it has a really lovely show with like 5 minutes of new animation per episode (which is still often bad) and a bunch of recycled poo poo plus super long intros/outros to take up time. it doesn't matter how popular something is, if they can cut corners they will. Countblanc fucked around with this message at 21:10 on Sep 28, 2017 |
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Sep 28, 2017 21:05
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Android/Cell arc of DBZ has worse art/animation than anything that came before it. It was so bad.
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ImpAtom posted:You're badly misremembering the original Dragonball Z then. Dragonball Z has some crap art at times, but the examples you posted were mostly the exception. It was rare enough that it mostly wasn't noticeable, and more than made up for once you got deep into the arcs. The fight scenes in particular were very kinetic and well-done. I doubt anyone would say that the Saiyan Saga or Frieza saga didn't have mostly good art across the board. Dragonball Super is just weird looking to me. It was super noticeable to me when a clip of Android 17 got posted a few pages back. He hardly even looks like the same character 
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Sep 28, 2017 21:12
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There's plenty of offmodel stuff in super, especially early on when they started doing additions to the movie adaptations and such. That 17 is pretty ok to me though. Maybe if you're expecting his pants to be hoisted up higher I can see your confusion.
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tbh i like the style of dbz more than super itself, more than anything they both have tons of jank
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PantsBandit posted:Dragonball Z has some crap art at times, but the examples you posted were mostly the exception. They really weren't. Characters didn't look the same from episode to episode let alone overall. Super has a ton of bad art, don't get me wrong, but the major difference is in art style and color pallet and that a lot of the real poo poo budget moments were frontloaded. PantsBandit posted:I doubt anyone would say that the Saiyan Saga or Frieza saga didn't have mostly good art across the board. Then you'd be wrong. There was a ton of really lovely art in the Frieza and Saiyan sagas, especially during the lower-budget/'filler' arcs. Like at time sit looks goddamned awful, recycled animation, and did a lot of terrible off-model stuff. It's fine because it also had some moments of great animation but if you actually pay attention to it (especially pre-Kai cleanup and editing) it had some truly awful awful looking stuff.
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That's because he isn't the same character. He's no longer a villain so he's not going to be portrayed as well. Super is actually very good looking in a lot of scenes, and has a pretty distinct style in those moments. That being said, the bad moments are far more noticable because it's in HD. Edit: Where did the quote go? Talking about 17.
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Of all the shots to use, I don't really see what's weird about 17 in that one. If we're talking off model, Beerus has looked weird for a while.
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Goku, in the episode he becomes a Super Sayian: Goku, in the next episode: 
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Dj Meow Mix posted:There's plenty of offmodel stuff in super, especially early on when they started doing additions to the movie adaptations and such. That 17 is pretty ok to me though. Maybe if you're expecting his pants to be hoisted up higher I can see your confusion. I think a lot of it is that they really hosed with him visually. Costuming is a huge aspect of character recognition, especially in animated stuff. 17 was recognizable because of the bandanna, the contrasting colors, the fact that he dressed and looked like a teenager but had this scary air about him. The new costume has muted colors, this kind of off-green blah shirt, no more bandanna. He looks super generic.
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PantsBandit posted:I think a lot of it is that they really hosed with him visually. Costuming is a huge aspect of character recognition, especially in animated stuff. 17 was recognizable because of the bandanna, the contrasting colors, the fact that he dressed and looked like a teenager but had this scary air about him.  that said his end of buu saga outfit did still have the bandanna so i guess if you're hung up on that that's a thing
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Terper posted:Goku, in the episode he becomes a Super Sayian: The second image still looks leagues more interesting to me than DB:S. I think maybe like anime was right said, the quality of the art isn't as big an issue as the style.
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PantsBandit posted:Dragonball Super is just weird looking to me. It was super noticeable to me when a clip of Android 17 got posted a few pages back. He hardly even looks like the same character I dunno man he still tucks his shirt into his mom jeans, that's classic 17.
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PantsBandit posted:I think a lot of it is that they really hosed with him visually. Costuming is a huge aspect of character recognition, especially in animated stuff. 17 was recognizable because of the bandanna, the contrasting colors, the fact that he dressed and looked like a teenager but had this scary air about him. 17 is a different person in Super though. He's a park ranger who is married and has adopted two kids. He should look different to compensate for that.
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ImpAtom posted:17 is a different person in Super though. He's a park ranger who is married and has adopted two kids. He should look different to compensate for that. I'm not really opposed to them changing the look of characters but design should inform character. Dragonball characters are supposed to be bad-rear end superheroes. If the character they wanted for 17 in Super is "sort of boring park ranger who can still fight" then I guess they nailed it, but if that's the case I'd rather they just introduce someone else who's actually interesting.
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I ask anyone who is going to complain about Super's art, especially in comparison to DBZ to take off their rosed colored lenses and actually watch some un-remastered DBZ first. Our memories are funny things and we mostly remember the good moments, especially if your last exposure to DBZ was through Youtube videos of eventful scenes where they would use the better animation studios. That said, traditional coloring is better than digital coloring.
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PantsBandit posted:I'm not really opposed to them changing the look of characters but design should inform character. Dragonball characters are supposed to be bad-rear end superheroes. If the character they wanted for 17 in Super is "sort of boring park ranger who can still fight" then I guess they nailed it, but if that's the case I'd rather they just introduce someone else who's actually interesting. That's the thing though. Dragon Ball characters by and large are not badass superheroes and Super in particular deals with the fact that half the cast are married with children and Goku literally has an adult child and is a grandfather. It's a part of the story that a lot of these people are living normal lives and Goku goes full punchman even if it's not a good idea. This also isn't new to Dragonball where even Z focused a ton of Gohan, the dorky kid whose idea of a cool superhero is Great Saiyaman.
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Anyone who tells dad jokes is not allowed to dress like a teenager.
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ImpAtom posted:This also isn't new to Dragonball where even Z focused a ton of Gohan, the dorky kid whose idea of a cool superhero is Great Saiyaman. That's the correct idea of a cool superhero though.
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Countblanc posted:That's the correct idea of a cool superhero though. Well okay I can't argue with that.
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Super animation has improved a ton. The first 25 episodes of the series are loving [b]rough[b/] The quality still varies but it still has one of the best animated moments in db history: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HnYN2pu-NOI
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Goku vs Krillin still manages to be my favorite: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iAibmdtd3-g
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Dbz has the most off model facial drawings second to second in the show, its glorious watching vegitas ears grow and shrink in real time
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PantsBandit posted:Dragonball Z has some crap art at times, but the examples you posted were mostly the exception. It was rare enough that it mostly wasn't noticeable, and more than made up for once you got deep into the arcs. The fight scenes in particular were very kinetic and well-done. I doubt anyone would say that the Saiyan Saga or Frieza saga didn't have mostly good art across the board. It's the digital coloring that makes it so different. poo poo in anime these days just glows like a candle.
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PantsBandit posted:I'm not really opposed to them changing the look of characters but design should inform character. Dragonball characters are supposed to be bad-rear end superheroes. If the character they wanted for 17 in Super is "sort of boring park ranger who can still fight" then I guess they nailed it, but if that's the case I'd rather they just introduce someone else who's actually interesting. 17 and 18 were/are clearly meant to be visually misleading. Divorced from the context of Dragonball pretty much all of their designs and costumes look kind of normal and non-threatening. I mean look at this dumb kid:  The sneakers mom bought, the luminous green socks, the loving shirt underneath another shirt. His design screams less 'Bad-rear end superhero' and more 'hangs around the mall texting and never buying anything'. And of course decades later he's gotten a real job, family and responsibilities and dresses the part. Toriyama loves this kind of thing, through Dragonball the most powerful characters often don't look that powerful at all (ie final form Frieza compared to his other forms, Fat Buu and Kid Buu, most of the androids, Goku when he was a kid, Whis. Recently its been taken to an extreme with Kale). I betcha 17's current look was deigned from him.
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It's the coloring and the character designs have changed. Like Krillin's head looks way different.
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Blue Goku & Vegeta footage: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hv1vh0HcA80 There's a new dragon ball mechanic that hasn't yet been explained and isn't demonstrated in the video, but it seems you earn them by doing combos with hits in multiples of ten? (10-hit gets ball #1, 20-hit gets ball #2, etc)
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