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MazelTovCocktail posted:Stamp is the same $200 for all NFA stuff except some AOWs. Ah, well the more you know then. Still, what the gently caress.
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bird food bathtub posted:Looking forward to the next week or so of scalding hot takes about whether it was a Lone Wolf And There's Nothing We Can Do (white), a terrorist out to destroy the nation (brown) or No Angel (black). Democrat False Flag, don't forget that.
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Oct 2, 2017 13:27
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cowboy elvis posted:Assuming that this weapon was legally purchased, you need ATF approval to buy something fully automatic like that yea? I will be very surprised if this guy owned a registered machine gun. The 1934 National Firearms Act regulated machine guns ( by the ATF's and federal government's legal definition, any fully automatic weapon, even if it's a full auto pistol), suppressors, short-barreled rifles, short barrel shotguns, and disguised weapons like a pen gun. Purchasing any full auto weapon requires you paying a $200 tax stamp to the ATF, submitting paperwork to the ATF, submitting fingerprints to the FBI, and undergoing an FBI background check. It takes months for the paperwork to even go through. Prior to 1986, any fully automatic weapon could be purchased and registered to the ATF machine gun registry. In 1986, the Firearms owners protection act was passed, which closed that registry, essentially capping the total supply of all legally registered and legally transferable machine guns at 1986 levels. Given the laws of supply and demand, machine gun prices skyrocketed. A full auto M16 which might cost the government $1,000, runs for about $10,000 or so on the civilian Market. An M60 goes for around the price of an expensive luxury car. Last I checked, one of the only m249s last sold for around $150,000. The cheapest full auto weapon that you can get is a MAC-10 or Mac-11, for around a few thousand. Certain FFLs, or federal firearm license holders / gun stores can apply for special permits from the ATF that allow them to purchase machine guns that were made after 1986, or even manufacture them themselves. They usually do this to sell them to police departments because the general public cannot purchase them. It is more than likely that this guy stole full auto weapons, or converted semi-automatic weapons into full auto weapons. He would have to have a lot of money to have purchased legally full auto weapons. I very much doubt he bought full auto weapons on the black market, considering he was a 64 year old white dude.
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Hexyflexy posted:That's a hell of a lot of rounds to let loose in one go, I believe I counted > 40 if my hearing isn't totally broken. That's what threw me off. Do they make drum magazines for AKs? Seemed like more than a standard 30 round mag. e: Vegas has like 8 shooting ranges outfitted with fully automatic weapons per square foot, so he probably just stole one.
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psydude posted:That's what threw me off. Do they make drum magazines for AKs? Seemed like more than a standard 30 round mag. Yes they make 75 and 100 rounders
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Oct 2, 2017 13:34
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Bored As gently caress posted:I will be very surprised if this guy owned a registered machine gun. The 1934 National Firearms Act regulated machine guns ( by the ATF's and federal government's legal definition, any fully automatic weapon, even if it's a full auto pistol), suppressors, short-barreled rifles, short barrel shotguns, and disguised weapons like a pen gun. Purchasing any full auto weapon requires you paying a $200 tax stamp to the ATF, submitting paperwork to the ATF, submitting fingerprints to the FBI, and undergoing an FBI background check. It takes months for the paperwork to even go through. Or he inherited it or was gifted it, or has owned it for a long time. I figure one of the ranges would've alerted the police that they'd been robbed, unless it was really sneaky under-the-counter and they hadn't had an inventory for it.
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psydude posted:e: Vegas has like 8 shooting ranges outfitted with fully automatic weapons per square foot, so he probably just stole one. This is what I was thinking, but I guess it's also possible that a 64 year old had a safe queen hanging around for thirty years and just decided he was angry enough at the world to use it.
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Oct 2, 2017 13:42
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More than 400 people wounded and in hospital. That's a 1% casualty rate for the people that were out partying at the concert. loving bastard was efficient.
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2%, I'm seeing that there were only like 25k at that concert
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Funkysock posted:This is what I was thinking, but I guess it's also possible that a 64 year old had a safe queen hanging around for thirty years and just decided he was angry enough at the world to use it. Most of those ranges check the guns in and out, and have good alarm systems. I'm not buying that unless one of them suddenly comes forward and says so.
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Oct 2, 2017 14:03
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I'm all for hating on pop country, but this guy had a grudge against it.
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Also it looks like buddy domed himself when the police were about to enter, found 10 long rifles inside but no details.
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CommieGIR posted:Most of those ranges check the guns in and out, and have good alarm systems. I'm not buying that unless one of them suddenly comes forward and says so. Slightly related are nat guard armoury's actually filled with weapons like the Sierra Army Depot or is that more a myth? I just remember people stealing tanks from them a few times in the 1990s.
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Bored As gently caress posted:I will be very surprised if this guy owned a registered machine gun. The 1934 National Firearms Act regulated machine guns ( by the ATF's and federal government's legal definition, any fully automatic weapon, even if it's a full auto pistol), suppressors, short-barreled rifles, short barrel shotguns, and disguised weapons like a pen gun. Purchasing any full auto weapon requires you paying a $200 tax stamp to the ATF, submitting paperwork to the ATF, submitting fingerprints to the FBI, and undergoing an FBI background check. It takes months for the paperwork to even go through. Allegedly the guy lived in a wealthy retirement community, so it may very well be possible he straight-up legally owned whatever MG he used. Jesus, everything about this is completely awful
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Hot Karl Marx posted:Also it looks like buddy domed himself when the police were about to enter, found 10 long rifles inside but no details. They've just confirmed he capped himself before they got into the room. I wonder what the gently caress his major malfunction was.
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MazelTovCocktail posted:Slightly related are nat guard armoury's actually filled with weapons like the Sierra Army Depot or is that more a myth? I just remember people stealing tanks from them a few times in the 1990s. There was one time where the guy got on base and stole one that I can remember: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shawn_Nelson_(San_Diego_Tank_Rampage)
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CommieGIR posted:There was one time where the guy got on base and stole one that I can remember: To be fair, one of your own soldiers running off with a tank is practically impossible to guard against.
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MazelTovCocktail posted:Slightly related are nat guard armoury's actually filled with weapons like the Sierra Army Depot or is that more a myth? I just remember people stealing tanks from them a few times in the 1990s. Units have individual arms rooms that are alarmed and locked. Larger installations do have vehicles and weapons in storage at equipment concentration sites. These are usually still on a unit's property book, but are maintained by the installation.
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[quote="“CommieGIR”" post="“476973712”"] There was one time where the guy got on base and stole one that I can remember: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shawn_Nelson_(San_Diego_Tank_Rampage) [/quote] That was the one I was thinking of, but I throught there was one or two others. That was the big one though. [quote="“psydude”" post="“476973783”"] Units have individual arms rooms that are alarmed and locked. Larger installations do have vehicles and weapons in storage at equipment concentration sites. These are usually still on a unit’s property book, but are maintained by the installation. [/quote] Okay then that avenue isn't likely. Granted I wouldn't be shocked if it was some local PD losing something. IIRC the Philly PD lost an M16 that was never accounted for. Of course this is just my wildly speculating. As I said it's just weird to see an actual machine gun but the likely weapon in a US based incident. Marshal Prolapse fucked around with this message at 14:16 on Oct 2, 2017 |
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A lot- and I mean a lot of poo poo walked off of military bases back in the 70s and early 80s. Fully automatic weapons showing up at crime scene is rare, but not unheard of. The three possibilities I can think of are 1. Stolen (NFA or LE/Mil) 2. Modified 3. Legally owned
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Oct 2, 2017 14:21
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And like clockwork, cue the gun control Facebook posts.
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[quote="“cowboy elvis”" post="“476974184”"] And like clockwork, cue the gun control Facebook posts. [/quote] I've decided that if it's not a post about horror movies for October or fun family stuff, or video games...I'm gonna stick to the forums for a few days.
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cowboy elvis posted:And like clockwork, cue the gun control Facebook posts. No way! Now is not the time to take about gun control! Maybe later.
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bird cooch posted:No way! Now is not the time to take about gun control! Maybe later. How about never?
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cowboy elvis posted:And like clockwork, cue the gun control Facebook posts. I can't imagine why
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cowboy elvis posted:And like clockwork, cue the gun control Facebook posts. e: Looks like the Something Awful Forums are not above stupidity, either.
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Naked Bear posted:It's really sad that this poo poo is predictable. The bodies aren't even cold yet and people are already going to be crowing about their political agenda. Hide out in this thread, we're not stupid enough to get in a conversation about it.
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Hexyflexy posted:Hide out in this thread, we're not stupid enough to get in a conversation about it. Oh ye of little faith
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Acebuckeye13 posted:Oh ye of little faith https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9pcZXZ9WzBc
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Acebuckeye13 posted:Oh ye of little faith On it! The rationale for gun control has always been saving lives (and also, obviously, crushing freedom and ushering in a Marxist dictatorship). You can argue about whether gun control would save lives or whether on balance the freedom to own guns is more important or whatever—but hundreds of people shot in a few minutes by one guy is literally the exact nightmare scenario that gun control advocates have always argued they are trying to prevent. This is not some new thing they're spinning to "fit their agenda."
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Naked Bear posted:It's really sad that this poo poo is predictable. The bodies aren't even cold yet and people are already going to be crowing about their political agenda. It's loving tasteless to have people jump so quickly to that sort of poo poo on either end of the argument while first responders are still trying to save people
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I agree. I should have made that post a little more inclusive. I had one particular side in mind when I wrote that, but you're right.
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guys i need my guns to fight off a tyrannical government blue lives matter support are troops
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Proud Christian Mom posted:guys i need my guns to fight off a tyrannical government Good guy with a gun would've solve this whole thing!
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CommieGIR posted:Good guy with a gun would've solve this whole thing! unironically this is a point people on my facebook are trying to make. like yeah im sure pistols would have worked well against a target atleast 300 vertical feet and who knows how far horizontally away
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Proud Christian Mom posted:unironically this is a point people on my facebook are trying to make. like yeah im sure pistols would have worked well against a target atleast 300 vertical feet and who knows how far horizontally away 400 yards.
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