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I keep wondering if the aliens from the cold open are going to wind up being relevant later honestly, they went to a decent amount of effort on the effects for them to be throwaway.
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skasion posted:I keep wondering if the aliens from the cold open are going to wind up being relevant later honestly, they went to a decent amount of effort on the effects for them to be throwaway.
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Well, you'd probably notice the Shenzhou if you were within like 10 miles of it swooping in pointlessly close to beam them up. Like, from a starship scale perspective, that's like literally driving OVER someone to pick them up.
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I'be been binging the expanse and it's quite good so far and nobody has been invited to take a red pill yet. The plot structure is so bog standard sci-fi novel that it feels very comfortable to me which is it's greatest failing. Good Sci-Fi shouldn't make you feel comfortable, it should make you feel unsettled, surprised and even a bit icky.
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The Lord Bude posted:The challenge was to find a black person wearing a bad hat though, not to find a black person wearing a had badly. Moops, my bad.
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skasion posted:Yeah, the whole thing they're doing is trying to save the planet's aliens without attracting the aliens' notice, which kind of goes against TNG and Voyager's sanctimonious rear end "nah gently caress the natives, lets let em all die" use of the Prime Directive but is maybe slightly more in line with Kirk era Starfleet. They explicitly stated in the episode that the reason why the water table dried up was due to ambient radiation from a nearby asteroid drilling accident. So the reason for extinction wasn't due to natural occurrences.
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I finally watched more than the aired episode. It was fine but it wasn't Star Trek. I'm more happy that I can read Jeb's posts in the megathread without stumbling over spoilers than I was while actually watching the show
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cheetah7071 posted:I finally watched more than the aired episode. It was fine but it wasn't Star Trek. I'm more happy that I can read Jeb's posts in the megathread without stumbling over spoilers than I was while actually watching the show Beep boop "It wasn't star trek" beep boop.
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Regarde Aduck posted:Beep boop "It wasn't star trek" beep boop. I think you'll find, if you apply more than three sarcastic brain cells, that the beep boop response is that it obviously IS star trek because it says so in the title and they have those triangles on their shirt and someone said "Klingon". The emotional, thoughtful, non beep boop reaction is that so far Discovery is missing the most important aspects of what Trek has always tried to do. The essence of trek is not phasers and warp nacelles, but optimism and positivity, inclusivity and teamwork. I've said all along that I'm excited for Discovery, and hopeful, and I still am both, but by this point I wish I didn't have to be so hopeful anymore. This could be any modern generic sci fi with a find/replace to insert some star trek words.
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how dare they do something different. this change is unfair and it really bothers me and makes me uncomfrotable. I am extremely settled in to my trek routine and changing the formula at all has made me extremely upset.
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Look at all these nerds upset that my new hamburger is a ground-up mixture of lettuce, melted cheese and croutons between two slices of wheat bread. Just because it's called a "hamburger", these morans expected it to be prepared with specific ingredients and presented in a specific manner. What idiots! Why can't they accept some variation in their hamburgers?
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Ofaloaf posted:Look at all these nerds upset that my new hamburger is a ground-up mixture of lettuce, melted cheese and croutons between two slices of wheat bread. Just because it's called a "hamburger", these morans expected it to be prepared with specific ingredients and presented in a specific manner. What idiots! Why can't they accept some variation in their hamburgers? More like you order a hamburger and get a mediocre pizza. Now, even mediocre pizza is worth eating, and there is really nothing wrong with this particular pizza, but you already had pizza for lunch, and more importantly, you ordered a hamburger. To continue the metaphor/simile: I like this pizza. It's not bad pizza. But there is a lot of pizza out there. Everyplace is serving pizza nowadays. There is only one burger joint in the whole town and I just ordered a burger with realistic hopes of having a great burger experience, and they brought a pizza. The pizza is good, but since there is only ONE place that even advertises burgers, my hopes of getting a burger are now lessened and I might have to merely enjoy pizza while pining for a burger that will never come. Luckily, someone just opened up an Orville Dogs in the next town and while a hot dog isn't a burger, it just might satiate that desire while we continue to scarf grimdark ductch-angled darkened pizza nonstop.
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Ofaloaf posted:Look at all these nerds upset that my new hamburger is a ground-up mixture of lettuce, melted cheese and croutons between two slices of wheat bread. Just because it's called a "hamburger", these morans expected it to be prepared with specific ingredients and presented in a specific manner. What idiots! Why can't they accept some variation in their hamburgers? Actually I think you'll find all hamburgers are garbage and if you like them, you're a filthy goon and probably some kind of sexual pervert too. Now excuse me while I go post in the new hamburgers thread
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I'm fine with them rebooting star trek mostly, really, I enjoyed the JJ films for what they were too. Its shot wonderfully and its incredibly beautiful for a (sort of) tv series. The first 2 episodes felt really weak from a story point of view though, but the 3rd seemed pretty neat and had me on board to see where they take this new interpretation of star trek. That doesn't mean I and others though aren't a little sad to say goodbye to the star trek universe we grew up watching and enjoying. If the new star wars films remade chewbacca as a 5 foot 6 armed CGI reptile, the stormtroopers to look like space marines in helmets so their faces could be seen, the death star into the romulan mining ship in the 2009 trek, and the empire acted like ancient egyptians, to put their own spin on the universe, it would be a bit disappointing as well. Even if I'm still interested in them and enjoying them, I would be sad to see the star wars universe I knew be gone. There doesn't have to be this black and white you either love it, or you're a whiner who just wants it the same as it was. You can enjoy something while being critical of it, or even just legitimately be critical and hating it without that being some character flaw.
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The Bloop posted:I think you'll find, if you apply more than three sarcastic brain cells, that the beep boop response is that it obviously IS star trek because it says so in the title and they have those triangles on their shirt and someone said "Klingon". Agree with everything you said. Lots of people have complained about strawman Star Trek fans not liking Discovery just because it is different. But Trek has a 50 year history with lots of different aspects, and for the most part the differences were embraced (if not immediately, then eventually). The original series was different from the movies , which was different from TNG, which was different from DS9, etc. We have no problem with different things. In fact, when Star Trek fails it is when it stops trying to be different. For me, Voyager was stale because it felt like re-heated TNG scripts. Enterprise was mediocre because they were trying desperately to "recapture the spirit of adventure" from Kirk's era, and mostly failed. And the JJ films gave up entirely on doing anything new, and just rebooted the original crew. So it is not the fact that Discovery is different that is bothersome. It's the way it is different.
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Tom Guycot posted:I'm fine with them rebooting star trek mostly, really  I mean, do something new, sure. In fact, and some other goon said this first, if this was 100% identical except for incidentals like Sarek and set 50 years after DS9 and the space orks were just space orks instead of klingons, a lot of the dumb problems they manufactured would simply vanish and they could tell stories with lasting consequences instead of suffering prequelitis
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The Bloop posted:Same, but they explicitly said they weren't rebooting and this was a prequel in the prime universe and then Yeah I don't know why they said that. Its clearly a reboot, they need to just own that and let it be its own thing like the JJ films. I agree it also would be a fantastic post VOY series with a new enemy, heck make them fractured Jem'Hadar who overthrew their gods and have since been scattered and no one has seen in 100 years since the dominion war ended. The fungus drive would be a cool new thing with potential instead of something we all know is destined to never be anything. Their weird insistence on it being "prime" is just the silliest part, even every show after they finally had a budget, from TNG, DS9, ENT, all went to great pains to show things as cheesy as the TOS sets as they were. Heck ENT bothered to come up with a passable reason why the klingons in TOS look like humans with shoe polish on their face. Obviously a show in 2017 looking like a bad 1960's set would be awful, so why not just let it be a reboot? Call it a reboot and be done for petes sake! I'm fine with a reboot!
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Tom Guycot posted:Their weird insistence on it being "prime" is just the silliest part, even every show after they finally had a budget, from TNG, DS9, ENT, all went to great pains to show things as cheesy as the TOS sets as they were. Heck ENT bothered to come up with a passable reason why the klingons in TOS look like humans with shoe polish on their face. The fun part about that, is it started as a joke in DS9, where Worf said it was a dark periode for the empire, they didn't like to talk about. Then ENT made a fun couple of episodes about it. But yea I and others said in the beginning of the thread, that STD could just as well take place post DS9. I just don't have a problem with it being pre TOS. I think it's silly to keep insisting this is not Star Trek and setting up criteria for what "real" star trek is. I'm sure similar complaints were made about DS9 taking place on a space station and being serialized rather than episodic. Some older goon mentioned he had read something like that when DS9 originally aired. My google skills are sadly not good enough to dig such old sites up 
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Oh god the thing that the showrunners keep talking about where they are like "mentioned but not fleshed out part of Trek history" is going to be the Klingon/Tribble warAtreiden posted:I think it's silly to keep insisting this is not Star Trek and setting up criteria for what "real" star trek is. I'm sure similar complaints were made about DS9 taking place on a space station and being serialized rather than episodic. Some older goon mentioned he had read something like that when DS9 originally aired. My google skills are sadly not good enough to dig such old sites up Also, I was one of those idiots when DS9 came out and I was wrong about it. I sincerely hope this turns out like that and I am wholeheartedly rooting for it. I don't want it to be a disappointment. I know there are some sadbrained trolls who seem to want Discovery to fail but they are idiots, ignore them. The Bloop fucked around with this message at 15:21 on Oct 5, 2017 |
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The Bloop posted:More like you order a hamburger and get a mediocre pizza. its like ordering a chicken burger from the chicken burger shop when you are deeply uncomfortable with anything other than a beef burger
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The Bloop posted:Oh god the thing that the showrunners keep talking about where they are like "mentioned but not fleshed out part of Trek history" is going to be the Klingon/Tribble war I would honestly love a joke episode about this. Especially since Captain Lorca has a Tribble in his office, though it hardly fits the current tone of the show. Alternatively I will love to hate an episode where this is actually the plot played straight.
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underage at the vape shop posted:its like ordering a chicken burger from the chicken burger shop when you are deeply uncomfortable with anything other than a beef burger I am not deeply uncomfortable with anything about this and you are either a loving idiot or a troll for continuously suggesting anything of the sort.  I prefer chocolate ice cream to vanilla ice cream, and this is advertised as chocolate but is actually vanilla. WHY ARE YOU SO DEEPLY UNCOMFORTABLE WITH VANILLA
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I don't like it because the world is a downer and having Trek return to the air after 12 years and be a downer too feels like a kick in the crotch.
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Atreiden posted:I would honestly love a joke episode about this. Especially since Captain Lorca has a Tribble in his office, though it hardly fits the current tone of the show. It's an evil Tribble and will be through a series of devious machinations and morally questionable actions the root cause of the Klingon/Tribble war. Kibayasu fucked around with this message at 16:43 on Oct 5, 2017 |
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Myconian gateway.
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Beachcomber posted:Myconian gateway. nice
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NoNotTheMindProbe posted:I'be been binging the expanse and it's quite good so far and nobody has been invited to take a red pill yet. The plot structure is so bog standard sci-fi novel that it feels very comfortable to me which is it's greatest failing. Good Sci-Fi shouldn't make you feel comfortable, it should make you feel unsettled, surprised and even a bit icky. He said in a Star Trek thread. bull3964 posted:They explicitly stated in the episode that the reason why the water table dried up was due to ambient radiation from a nearby asteroid drilling accident. So the reason for extinction wasn't due to natural occurrences. Don't point out the plot as delivered on screen, people in this thread get distressed when confronted with how bad they are at watching TV. cheetah7071 posted:It was fine but it wasn't Star Trek. No, it wasn't the period of your life in which you enjoyed Star Trek the most. Which is what I think a lot of you are actually after. The problem is that you want the moon on a stick. That is never happening, grow up. Lovely Joe Stalin fucked around with this message at 16:59 on Oct 5, 2017 |
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The tribble is there because as a Bond villain he needs a fuzzy critter to pet. He already has hosed up eyes and a menacing henchwoman after all. And the doomsday weapon is what they are building up to.
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Lovely Joe Stalin posted:That is never happening, grow up. Loll
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Drink-Mix Man posted:I don't like it because the world is a downer and having Trek return to the air after 12 years and be a downer too feels like a kick in the crotch.
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New wild speculation: section 31 blew a hole in the subspace relay to get the Shenzou to where the beacon was in order to trigger a war. I mean, Orci being a 9/11 Truther was really blatantly noticable in his Into Darkness script, I could easily see Kurtzman bringing those themes over even though Orci isn't with him on Discovery.
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Did they find a clone of Wayne Alexander from B5 to play Saru? The voice acting sounds identical, and the face really reminds me of Lorien.
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Lovely Joe Stalin posted:He said in a Star Trek thread. https://mobile.twitter.com/internethippo/status/881161169469403137 but it's a rally for std fans
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The Bloop posted:I like this pizza. It's not bad pizza. But there is a lot of pizza out there. Everyplace is serving pizza nowadays. There is only one burger joint in the whole town and I just ordered a burger with realistic hopes of having a great burger experience, and they brought a pizza. The pizza is good, but since there is only ONE place that even advertises burgers, my hopes of getting a burger are now lessened and I might have to merely enjoy pizza while pining for a burger that will never come. 
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XSaaa_OBkzw but replace wars with trek
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CBS has apparently announced that due to "success" with All Access subscription numbers, they are changing the airdate schedule. Instead of showing 8 then 7 episodes, they will now air 9 then 6! What the gently caress is this and why do they think it matters? Doesn't this mess with the whole serial nature? Did they not have a mid-season break mini-cliffhanger or anything? idgi
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marktheando posted:Looking on google groups for vintage Star Trek discussion is fun. Lol can you link some of that?
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