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I grew up with '60s oldies, but it took me until adulthood to realize that Paul Revere and the Raiders was a reference to the British invasion.
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Chili with beans in it is pretty good!
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starkebn posted:Yeah, family / town / location name pronunciations like that are the exact definition of shibboleth quote:And the Gileadites took the passages of Jordan before the Ephraimites: and it was so, that when those Ephraimites which were escaped said, Let me go over; that the men of Gilead said unto him, Art thou an Ephraimite? If he said, Nay;
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I thought Ed O'Neill had died a few years ago for some reason.
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The_White_Crane posted:Be fair, the fact that English has lots of weird-assed pronunciation/spelling mismatches doesn't mean that this one is not weird. I liked in the original House of Cards trilogy, Francis Urquhart's name is pronounced "Urkit". That one probably isn't even that weird, it doesn't even have half of the silent letters as your example.
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I heard the Mr. Mister song 'Kyrie' on the radio the other day. I hadn't heard it for a decade at least and I'd always vaguely assumed it was about a woman because Kyrie sounds a bit like Kirrily and the song seems to be addressed to someone ("Kyrie eleison, where I'm going will you follow?) and I never really listened to it that closely anyway. It turns out that "Kyrie eleison" is Greek for "Lord, have mercy".
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someone awful. posted:I looked it up from curiosity and apparently the American English pronunciation is the older one (happens a lot with Am.E actually), so that's interesting Lots of words drop the 'l' in their pronunciation: chalk, yolk, uh...walk, talk, etc. So the pronunciation of "solder" is not really surprising.
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I only found out Timbuktu was a real place fairly recently
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Sucrose posted:Lots of words drop the 'l' in their pronunciation: chalk, yolk, uh...walk, talk, etc. So the pronunciation of "solder" is not really surprising. You do see that all of the examples you've given have things in common, right? As opposed to all the words that have things in common with "solder", like "colder", "holder", "folder", "bolder", etc...
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iajanus posted:You do see that all of the examples you've given have things in common, right? As opposed to all the words that have things in common with "solder", like "colder", "holder", "folder", "bolder", etc... All of those only look like "solder", but they're all a base word + -er suffix. Solder is not constructed that way, it comes from old French "solder". So they really don't have anything in common with solder at all, beyond the basic spelling pattern.
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Oct 10, 2017 08:16
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One god drat avocado costs 1,59€ what the christ?!?
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Oct 10, 2017 08:58
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Solumin posted:All of those only look like "solder", but they're all a base word + -er suffix. Solder is not constructed that way, it comes from old French "solder". So they really don't have anything in common with solder at all, beyond the basic spelling pattern. And considering how often we ignore the French pronunciation of things in order to use the common English method I'm wondering what your point is?
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Oct 10, 2017 09:25
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I think the point was it's good to consider the source even when it's usually corrupted because sometimes it helps explain why things are the way they are? What was yours? "Boo hoo english is hard" is a valid answer here. e: Is "common english method" a technical term?
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Oct 10, 2017 09:30
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Turtlicious posted:Chili with beans in it is pretty good! Try it with a can of tomato soup too.
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Oct 10, 2017 10:10
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English people are real proud that they have exactly one word where the spelling and pronunciation makes more « logical sense » than the american version. Hope you chaps that if you die on the hill of solder’s honour, you give up the right to make fun of people who can’t pronounce poo poo like « Gloucestershire »
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Wait, Americans pronounce solder without the L? I'm not trying to be a smartarse, I literally don't think I've ever heard it and can't imagine how it sounds like that. What O sound is it? It feels like I consume enough American media that I should have come across this before.
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Oct 10, 2017 12:31
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It's pronounced like "sod" + "er". Rhymes with fodder
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Oct 10, 2017 12:34
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-Solder? I hardly knew 'er! 
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Oct 10, 2017 12:53
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iajanus posted:You do see that all of the examples you've given have things in common, right? As opposed to all the words that have things in common with "solder", like "colder", "holder", "folder", "bolder", etc... Words looking the same has never meant they're pronounced the same in English, so this method of trying to "prove" sold-er is more correct than sodd-er is totally vacuous. Example: cough, through, tough. Hey they all look the same, must sound the same right???
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Organza Quiz posted:Wait, Americans pronounce solder without the L? I'm not trying to be a smartarse, I literally don't think I've ever heard it and can't imagine how it sounds like that. What O sound is it? It feels like I consume enough American media that I should have come across this before. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xwIHFmagmyk Edit: you should see how they pronounce 'colonel', it's a travesty https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B2pkUecLaxI Edit 2: oh jeez they really gently caress this one up https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FhANvLXAmb8 Snowglobe of Doom has a new favorite as of 13:20 on Oct 10, 2017 |
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Oct 10, 2017 13:13
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lemon-lyme disease posted:I think the point was it's good to consider the source even when it's usually corrupted because sometimes it helps explain why things are the way they are? The point was it's exceeding normal in English to disregard the pronunciation in the former language, and as such it's relatively meaningless. To rely on it as a crutch to ignore the obvious connection that a large proportion of the world has made between the structure of the words is asinine. Ignoring the fact that the rest of the world made the choice to pronounce in the manner consistent with the original roots, it just sounds better and more consistent with how the vast majority of words are pronounced with regard to "lder" vs "dder" (totes not subjective there and don't read the first and second halves of this post at the same time).
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[quote="“GAINING WEIGHT...”" post="“477237100”"] Words looking the same has never meant they’re pronounced the same in English, so this method of trying to “prove” sold-er is more correct than sodd-er is totally vacuous. Example: cough, through, tough. Hey they all look the same, must sound the same right??? [/quote] I was replying to someone making that same point hth
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Oct 10, 2017 13:14
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Does the silent 'l' apply to the variations of the word solder? I.e people walk around going "Robert, have you seen the sod-derring iron?".
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Oct 10, 2017 13:16
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Also is flux pronounced flux or fux
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Sucrose posted:Lots of words drop the 'l' in their pronunciation: chalk, yolk, uh...walk, talk, etc. So the pronunciation of "solder" is not really surprising. I pronounce the 'l' in chalk, yolk, walk, talk, etc. I don't know anyone who doesn't.
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Oct 10, 2017 13:18
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Pocket Billiards posted:Does the silent 'l' apply to the variations of the word solder? Yes.
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Edgar Allen Ho posted:English people are real proud that they have exactly one word where the spelling and pronunciation makes more « logical sense » than the american version. Those place names are pretty easy to pronounce once you figure out that the pronunciation has come decoupled from the root. "Gloucester" looks like it should be "glou" + "cester", right? That's where the word came from - the fort at Glevum, "Glevum" + "castrum". But the pronunciation shifted to place the "ce" in the first syllable, so it's pronounced "Glouce" ("gloss") + "ster" = "glosster". The same goes for other place names with the same pattern, like Leicester: "Leice" ("less") + "ster" = "lester". With "shire" you just have to remember that the "i" is short in place names. So "Gloucestershire" becomes, pronunciationally, "glouce" + "ster" + "shire" = "gloss" + "ster" + "sher" = "glosstersher"; Leicestershire is "lestersher", etc.
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[quote="“mlnhd”" post="“477237303”"] I pronounce the ‘l’ in chalk, yolk, walk, talk, etc. I don’t know anyone who doesn’t. [/quote] I have never heard anyone do that in my life.
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Henchman of Santa posted:I have never heard anyone do that in my life. Here in Australia we usually pronounce 'almond' as 'armand' (which also seems to be the UK pronunciation) but I usually pronounce the 'l' because I like to appear mysterious and enticing to strangers but also because I'm really loving annoying https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xFkV_Gfgpi8
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Besesoth posted:Those place names are pretty easy to pronounce once you figure out that the pronunciation has come decoupled from the root. "Gloucester" looks like it should be "glou" + "cester", right? That's where the word came from - the fort at Glevum, "Glevum" + "castrum". Ah, but we don’t take roots into account in english, friend
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Besesoth posted:Those place names are pretty easy to pronounce once you figure out that the pronunciation has come decoupled from the root. "Gloucester" looks like it should be "glou" + "cester", right? That's where the word came from - the fort at Glevum, "Glevum" + "castrum". I was asleep by the second sentence in this post
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Snowglobe of Doom posted:Here in Australia we usually pronounce 'almond' as 'armand' (which also seems to be the UK pronunciation) but I usually pronounce the 'l' because I like to appear mysterious and enticing to strangers but also because I'm really loving annoying I'm in the UK, quick survey of four people shows a 3/4 majority in favour of "al-mund" and one man who prefers "ar-mund".
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I am deeply disappointed that with all this UK/US English discussion going on, nobody has posted this Eddie Izzard bit yet. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9IzDbNFDdP4 Nordick has a new favorite as of 14:38 on Oct 10, 2017 |
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then post it yourself
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Nordick posted:I am deeply disappointed that with all this UK/US English discussion going on, nobody has posted this Eddie Izzard but yet. We say "herb", because there's a loving H in it!
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Snowglobe of Doom posted:Here in Australia we usually pronounce 'almond' as 'armand' (which also seems to be the UK pronunciation) but I usually pronounce the 'l' because I like to appear mysterious and enticing to strangers but also because I'm really loving annoying This hosed me up almost as much as that time someone pointed out that we say "squirrel" as "squirl".
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mlnhd posted:I pronounce the 'l' in chalk, yolk, walk, talk, etc. I don't know anyone who doesn't. Do you say talk and talc the same way then? Not trying to be a dick here, I'm just trying to figure out how you deal with a mouth full of sounds
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Snowglobe of Doom posted:Here in Australia we usually pronounce 'almond' as 'armand' (which also seems to be the UK pronunciation) but I usually pronounce the 'l' because I like to appear mysterious and enticing to strangers but also because I'm really loving annoying Hey I was watching AU survivor and the woman got a big jar of “Lollies”. Is that just a generic word for candy of is it something specific? Is it like a lollipop without the sick?
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The Fuzzy Hulk posted:Hey I was watching AU survivor and the woman got a big jar of “Lollies”. Is that just a generic word for candy of is it something specific? Is it like a lollipop without the sick? The sick comes after you eat all the lollies.
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Mr.Tophat posted:Do you say talk and talc the same way then? Not trying to be a dick here, I'm just trying to figure out how you deal with a mouth full of sounds No. Those have different vowel sounds. They both have an L, though. mlnhd has a new favorite as of 17:14 on Oct 10, 2017 |
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