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perl > bash > node fwiw
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Helianthus Annuus posted:this is 100% right, but consider this counterpoint:
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OldAlias posted:python > perl > bash > node fwiw I mean, most of the distributions out there come with python pre-installed. Even loving RHEL does. There is no reason not to write your script in python if you need a script that doesn't involve repetitive bash commands (then just use bash).
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node is close to the metal, op
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ratbert90 posted:I mean, most of the distributions out there come with python pre-installed. Even loving RHEL does. Yeah but most distributions use python 2, like suckers
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VikingofRock posted:Yeah but most distributions use python 2, like suckers still better than bash i had to write a batch monstrosity and had to loving port it from Cygwin to linux because "sort" and "ls" behaved differently the script shouldn't of been written in bash at all but thats what my boss wanted, i would have wrote in half the time in python with half the code and no dependancies (the script needed xmlstarlet and unix2dos)
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i am crossing my fingers so hard that RHEL 8 will include python 3 as part of the base install still pissed that RHEL 7 does not, even though python 3.3 is part of the base install of the version of fedora that RHEL 7's based on it took specific effort to remove it, for fucks sake
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Perplx posted:the script shouldn't of been written in bash at all but thats what my boss wanted,
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systemd 235 has more cool stuff too IP Accounting and Access Lists with systemd
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no but you see it would be better if it was hairball of bash scripts instead / 
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John Big Booty posted:Your boss is a monster and should be destroyed. well he quit last week and im applying for his job other than his bash fetish he was great and i miss him alot
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as much as i advice against bash (more heavily than most in this thread), if the greatest flaw with a boss is he wants things written in bash he is certainly doing very well
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Sapozhnik posted:even java is a better scripting language than bash if only there was some kind of java...script....yees
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Poopernickel posted:if only there was some kind of java...script....yees use scriptengine to eval js from java, two great tastes
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Poopernickel posted:if only there was some kind of java...script....yees in the good universe to which this one is the evil mirror world, javascript has more in common with java than just the choice of block delimiter characters
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limux is a good os cause it allows you to turn your webcame into a heating element https://www.reddit.com/r/Fedora/comments/77qxkw/removing_nouveau_driver_makes_webcam_overheat/
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Condiv posted:limux is a good os cause it allows you to turn your webcame into a heating element this makes no sense he broke his system in some other way he is not mentioning
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how the gently caress is a webcam gonna run at 100% power (and how's the computer gonna know?) i figured they'd be either on, maybe standby, or off or does the webcam crank the cpu because i can see linux having to do that to handle video
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Cocoa Crispies posted:how the gently caress is a webcam gonna run at 100% power (and how's the computer gonna know?) usb power management is A Thing webcams can have a surprising amount of integrated brains to encode video and poo poo
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Cocoa Crispies posted:how the gently caress is a webcam gonna run at 100% power (and how's the computer gonna know?) 100% of bus power. ie the magic smoke escaped
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Condiv posted:limux is a good os cause it allows you to turn your webcame into a heating element it says 1 watt though
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reading glassdoor reviews of a software development company and someone has listed "Customers care about Linux" under "Cons"
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josh04 posted:reading glassdoor reviews of a software development company and someone has listed "Customers care about Linux" under "Cons" they can't force a pharmacist to dispense birth control and they can't force me to deploy linux
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josh04 posted:reading glassdoor reviews of a software development company and someone has listed "Customers care about Linux" under "Cons" customers who care about linux are the worst
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"senior technology staff have Opinions about systemd" would be just about the worst lol j/k systemd opinion-havers are malajusted incompetents who wouldn't be even trusted to rack and unrack servers in a commercial setting *stands up several special-purpose bare-metal machines by manually typing a series of commands into a shell like a caveman* *compiles services from source, on a live server* *has a separate /usr partition* *is a Veteran Unix Administrator, MOM*
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now that I’ve used it a bit my systemd opinion is that journalctl is pretty good even if it is backed by
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systemd service management is such a huge step forward I will forgive or overlook all other issues people who hate systemd have plainly never had to maintain init scripts
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that's not a joke btw, if i were interviewing somebody for a devops-type role and they expressed systemd Opinions then that would be an automatic fail because i literally would not even trust such a person to rack a server unsupervised because they'd probably hook up a kvm to it and start "improving" the system configuration instead of doing what they were told
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Sapozhnik posted:that's not a joke btw, if i were interviewing somebody for a devops-type role and they expressed systemd Opinions then that would be an automatic fail because i literally would not even trust such a person to rack a server unsupervised I do phone screens or interviews for this kind of thing several times a week having "bad" opinions is not an automatic fail but the candidate needs to be able to explain how and why that judgment was reached. maybe the candidate's experiences are different from mine! so far, none who mentioned "ansible good" or "systemd bad" have managed to do that. So how did you land on ansible? It's agentless! How did that benefit the business? It's agentless! What other technologies did you evaluate before settling on ansible? Nothing, we chose ansible because it's agentless! naturally you can substitute mongodb or systemd into the script and have the same idiotic conversation
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well, actually on that topic: i don't really know much about config management, although i do want to improve in that regard. i don't have a problem with a config management system having an agent. that's an implementation detail as far as i'm concerned. i do have a problem with having to stand up a central dedicated configuration management server and having to make formal commits to my configuration management repository in the process of testing something. i want to be able to rapidly screw around with a test instance of my system in a vm, then fully rebuild the vm from scratch to confirm that everything works, then make a formal release to live. if i have to make a constant stream of formal releases to my test vm (commit to git, pull git on the vm, run agent on the vm) then that's not a very productive workflow.
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:
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Actually he's the agent of some other project.
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Sapozhnik posted:well, actually on that topic: every cfg management system supports that workflow how else would anyone write anything
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:systemd service management is such a huge step forward I will forgive or overlook all other issues systemd does some things really well and seems to have determined that this means it can also do everything else really well. "im good at managing services, therefore i should also do... DNS resolution!" it may be the case that the previous implementations of non-init things also had issues, but that doesn't mean the only way of making a new implementation is to tack it onto systemd.
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:systemd service management is such a huge step forward I will forgive or overlook all other issues it’s no SMF though or launchd
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anatoliy pltkrvkay posted:systemd does some things really well and seems to have determined that this means it can also do everything else really well. "im good at managing services, therefore i should also do... DNS resolution!" it may be the case that the previous implementations of non-init things also had issues, but that doesn't mean the only way of making a new implementation is to tack it onto systemd. how can it depend on daemons when it exists to manage said daemons?
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if you require dns resolution to run a service and can't figure out how to run dns before said service, you've done hosed up
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Truga posted:if you require dns resolution to run a service and can't figure out how to run dns before said service, you've done hosed up
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Is that actual systemd, or one of the systemd-x projects that aren't really systemd and not necessary for systemd to be systemd and should probably have a different name?
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