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Tom Guycot posted:which honestly just raises the question after he said that, why they don't just get an extra computer? Tom Guycot posted:I can't see citizens of the federation being cool that their mom died because starfleet refused to nipple clamp a cockroach on ethical grounds. Tom Guycot posted:I'm just saying I find their philosophy about it flawed. Clearly no one cares about and avoids the suffering of creatures universally or we couldn't live our lives in any capacity Maybe not quite so "clearly".
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How did Starfleet know that all hands were lost on the Glenn? I can understand if they said something like “there was an emergency distress call” or “we’ve lost contact with them”.
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Oct 13, 2017 12:44
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Cingulate posted:Because Biological is More Powerful (see: Species 8472, Voyager's computer system, the mushroom drive itself). Which would be fine if the engineer hadn't specifically said he just needed a supercomputer to process the required data. Cingulate posted:Well the TNG crew once refused to stop the Borg threat, costing countless human lives, simply because Hugh, whose self identity had developed a cool 5 minutes ago, said he doesn't want to, and Data was once willing to let Picard die because a flying screwdriver didn't feel like it, and Picard agreed with him. The key point in every single case was sentience. They stopped screwing with the power tools because they were becoming sentient, the nanites in the computer bank became sentient, they stop drilling into that terraforming planet because they find out it's sentient.
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Tom Guycot posted:Which would be fine if the engineer hadn't specifically said he just needed a supercomputer to process the required data. Tom Guycot posted:The key point in every single case was sentience. They stopped screwing with the power tools because they were becoming sentient, the nanites in the computer bank became sentient, they stop drilling into that terraforming planet because they find out it's sentient.
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Oct 13, 2017 13:24
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Charles Get-Out posted:It's not any more dumb than all the other psychics and "empaths" in the franchise. (They can be kinda dumb) I always hated this and was glad that DS9 mostly got rid of telepathic nonsense, as far as I remember.
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Shibawanko posted:I always hated this and was glad that DS9 mostly got rid of telepathic nonsense, as far as I remember. But they did have that sweet DBZ kamehameha duel between Jake and Kira that one time
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Tom Guycot posted:Which would be fine if the engineer hadn't specifically said he just needed a supercomputer to process the required data. Did you take that completely literally? It's pretty well understood that the biological brain is more complex and powerful than any computer we could possibly build for a long while, though computers are better are some things than brains. In this case, the water bear was better at processing the information the fungus had than their computers. In other words, when it came to interpreting the fungus, it was a super computer.
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Shibawanko posted:I always hated this and was glad that DS9 mostly got rid of telepathic nonsense, as far as I remember. They had the wormhole aliens, who seemed somewhat telepathic, and their magic orbs. Tom Guycot posted:Which would be fine if the engineer hadn't specifically said he just needed a supercomputer to process the required data. He assumed the other ship was using some sort of supercomputer. They were not. The tardigrade apparently evolved in tandem with the subspace fungal web, making it uniquely suited to the job. Lord Krangdar fucked around with this message at 15:35 on Oct 13, 2017 |
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Kibayasu posted:Did you take that completely literally? It's pretty well understood that the biological brain is more complex and powerful than any computer we could possibly build for a long while, though computers are better are some things than brains. In this case, the water bear was better at processing the information the fungus had than their computers. In other words, when it came to interpreting the fungus, it was a super computer. Yeah, I also took his comment in the context of "We need something more powerful than whatever it is that we have access to." "Supercomputer" as a term generally means a computer that is far and away more powerful than those accessible at the time. It's 2017, and today's supercomputers fill entire rooms, while my phone is more powerful than supercomputers of the past.
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I didn't get where the water bear came from originally. Did they catch that thing with a dart gun on a planet or did it just appear one day while they were playing around with the mold?
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Raspberry Jam It In Me posted:I didn't get where the water bear came from originally. Did they catch that thing with a dart gun on a planet or did it just appear one day while they were playing around with the mold? It stowed away when they were harvesting spores.
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Raspberry Jam It In Me posted:I didn't get where the water bear came from originally. Did they catch that thing with a dart gun on a planet or did it just appear one day while they were playing around with the mold? I'm going to bet it either mushroom-warped itself right into the ship or they came across it in the expanse of space tripping out on shrooms.
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Lord Krangdar posted:They had the wormhole aliens, who seemed somewhat telepathic, and their magic orbs. A stupid movie like Interstellar got away with basically the same concept and gets described as "hard sci fi". I didn't like the prophets but I liked some of the silliness around them, and Kai Wynn.
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Shibawanko posted:A stupid movie like Interstellar got away with basically the same concept and gets described as "hard sci fi". I didn't like the prophets but I liked some of the silliness around them, and Kai Wynn. The idea of "hard sci-fi" is always somewhat arbitrary. But my point was every Trek series has included both magic and silly science.
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It's really really common for sci-fi stories to include magic. Part of it is that in the heyday of sci-fi parapsychology and things like that were considered legitimate areas of scientific inquiry. The other part is that it's just harder to make an interesting sci-fi story based only on realistic technology. Even interstellar travel is really unrealistic without a handwavium drive, and that's the basis of the entire space exploration genre.
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Clarke's second and third laws, goons.
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Raspberry Jam It In Me posted:I didn't get where the water bear came from originally. Did they catch that thing with a dart gun on a planet or did it just appear one day while they were playing around with the mold? The logs from the Glenn say it showed up in their cargo hold. It most likely teleported in there to get the mushrooms that were being stored, as the Glenn didn't have a mushroom forest.
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Who's ready for a tie-in novel set 10 years before the prequel that's set 10 years before the original series? http://www.startrek.com/article/second-discovery-novel-is-drastic-measures quote:It is 2246, ten years prior to the “Battle at the Binary Stars,” and an aggressive contagion is ravaging the food supplies of the remote Federation colony Tarsus IV and the eight thousand people who call it home. Distress signals have been sent, but any meaningful assistance is weeks away. Lieutenant Commander Gabriel Lorca and a small team assigned to a Starfleet monitoring outpost are caught up in the escalating crisis, and bear witness as the colony’s governor, Adrian Kodos, employs an unimaginable solution in order to prevent mass starvation. How much you want to bet Georgiou and Lorca run into some kid prodigy named "Jimmy" and inspire him to join Starfleet?
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Oh god of course everyone is connected to each other, but then that's par for the course for licensed fanfiction.
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Hi, my name is Jacques Picard, because of your space heroism, I will make sure that my great great grandson becomes a space man too. *winks at camera* Special Guest: Daniel Stewart
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Now that the war's over my fortune cookie shop in New Orleans isn't doing so hot. I'm thinking I'll let my daughter's future husband inherit it so he can change up the menu. Have you met him yet? His name's Jacob Sisko. *Superimposed image of The Sisko appears floating in the background, contently nodding*
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Oct 14, 2017 01:26
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So the solution is eating people, right? That's the solution.
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Doggles posted:Who's ready for a tie-in novel set 10 years before the prequel that's set 10 years before the original series? Oh God drat it, they're messing with "Conscience of the King"? That was one of my favorite TOS episodes! Let me guess, they will also make that thing about Hoshi having been amongst those executed by Kodos canon as well?
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It occurred to me that if this Alice in Wonderland analogy holds up, and the rumour about the mirror universe episode is true, we're probably going to see some heavy chess-board imagery in that.
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AceOfFlames posted:Oh God drat it, they're messing with "Conscience of the King"? That was one of my favorite TOS episodes! It's a book, not an episode. It's just licensed fanfiction.
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Just now watching the 4th Episode. Michael and the angry security officer are talking about the giant water bear. Something something "Rage Glands." This Is A Bad Show.
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Doggles posted:Now that the war's over my fortune cookie shop in New Orleans isn't doing so hot. I'm thinking I'll let my daughter's future husband inherit it so he can change up the menu. Have you met him yet? His name's Jacob Sisko. *Superimposed image of The Sisko appears floating in the background, contently nodding* Impossible, nothing Star Trek ever acknowledges anything on DS9.
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Doggles posted:Who's ready for a tie-in novel set 10 years before the prequel that's set 10 years before the original series? Jesus. I know Dayton in real life and I'm skipping this masterbatiory bullshit.
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Peachfart posted:Impossible, nothing Star Trek ever acknowledges anything on DS9. Like it’s DS9s fault for existing in a league by itself
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Comrade Fakename posted:It occurred to me that if this Alice in Wonderland analogy holds up, and the rumour about the mirror universe episode is true, we're probably going to see some heavy chess-board imagery in that. I'm seeing this more and more coming about. Episode 4 had the 'white rabbit', being sent off to the matriarchs. The matriarchs who... maybe have a thing for chopping off heads? I also like the idea of Mudd being the mad hatter, you've got the smoking caterpillar, and maybe lorca is the cheshire cat? A mirror universe episode sure could fit into that theme.
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Kibayasu posted:Did you take that completely literally? It's pretty well understood that the biological brain is more complex and powerful than any computer we could possibly build for a long while Also, the term "computer" originally comes from the women running manual calculations during WW2, for artillery and cryptography etc. I.e., etymologically,  a computer is a person who computesStill, the main point is, Star Trek is always set approximately 5-10 years in the future, and right now, biotech and artificial neural networks are huge, so in 10 years we will obviously be running on biotech in our computers instead of on clunky silicone.
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I'm gonna have to bring in my CPU for flu shots now? :/
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Cingulate posted:Also, the term "computer" originally comes from the women running manual calculations during WW2, for artillery and cryptography etc. I.e., etymologically, The term actually dates back much further than that, to the 1600s at least.
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Raspberry Jam It In Me posted:I'm gonna have to bring in my CPU for flu shots now? :/
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Peachfart posted:Impossible, nothing Star Trek ever acknowledges anything on DS9. Section 31?
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Cingulate posted:Still, the main point is, Star Trek is always set approximately 5-10 years in the future, and right now, biotech and artificial neural networks are huge, so in 10 years we will obviously be running on biotech in our computers instead of on clunky silicone. What?
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r.y.f.s.o. posted:What? He means the technology. The technology on Star Trek is always something people think is coming out in the next few years.
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Cojawfee posted:He means the technology. The technology on Star Trek is always something people think is coming out in the next few years. Always? Few? What?
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