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Guys, we're not really meant to be an army, remember? Don't buy APCs and poo poo that we have to drag around from deployment to deployment. We can hire Cobbie or the Bulgarian Brothers or something to handle our ground security for us. that said, i would not be opposed to buying a OECM/ESM vehicle of some type. Would be nice to have a non-air based method of noticing emissions (the boat is probably not hanging around right near us all day) and possibly loving up people who think they're gonna do silly things like throw SARH missiles at our CAP. Nick Esasky fucked around with this message at 04:00 on Oct 22, 2017 |
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The thing that has me worried about that is trusting our security with other mercenaries. Hmm...
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Bacarruda posted:I mean, there's nothing stopping other people doing what I'm doing. Nothin' at all against you man, I just like trying to offer alternatives to whatever the consensus is  this is probably why almost every mission plan I've submitted has been #2 in voting.If anything I think more people (including myself) just need to use pictures since that seems to be a big thing in swaying opinions. Nick Esasky posted:Guys, we're not really meant to be an army, remember? Don't buy APCs and poo poo that we have to drag around from deployment to deployment. We can hire Cobbie or the Bulgarian Brothers or something to handle our ground security for us. Would you want to hire a mercenary airforce that didn't come with any way to protect its own assets while they're grounded? We can immediately donate or loan them to Cobbie or whomever to crew them if we want (personally I'd love to see Cobbie try to operate an IFV), since it's not like those guys have any real heavier assets of their own to bring. You're right that we're not an army; that's why I'm not asking for tanks or anything heavier. We aren't going to be conducting prolonged ground sieges, just watching our own backs. 8 vehicles and a pair of crew-served weapons seems a fairly minor investment in our own security, as well as making us more attractive to sponsors who may not have assets of their own to provide for our defense. You don't buy insurance because you want to have to use it, after all. PS I forget who maintains that image of our assets on the first page (Quinntan?) but there's a typo, the F-117s are named as F-111s.
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Oct 22, 2017 04:31
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I think I've got a good idea for a ground "PMC" that could run base security.
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Oct 22, 2017 04:40
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I remember we once tried to have ground forces but the guys went to "training" after china and just never came back
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Oct 22, 2017 04:50
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Tythas posted:I remember we once tried to have ground forces but the guys went to "training" after china and just never came back Don't worry, these'll be nice reliable anarchist street fighters/punk music aficionados.
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Nick Esasky posted:Guys, we're not really meant to be an army, remember? Don't buy APCs and poo poo that we have to drag around from deployment to deployment. We can hire Cobbie or the Bulgarian Brothers or something to handle our ground security for us. Most air forces have a dedicated airfield security force. The RAF Regiment in the UK. The Aussie Airfield Defence Guards. The USAF's Security Forces. Since we're effectively a small air force (seriously, we have more combat capability than the entire Austrian air force), we should act like one. A few guys in AFVs and some SPAA is a pretty sensible insurance policy, in my view. Seconding the OECM proposal. Something to float come mid-round procurement time.
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Oct 22, 2017 05:28
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I third getting a little extra security with IFVs and augmenting a couple infantry platoons for security. Since we'll be in the Balkans we could try and see if there are a few Strelas laying around that just need to get their dents buffed out. We should also look into getting a couple more logistics planes next acquisition round, this will give us some airlift for mission flexibility (parachuting Cobbie and the boys in, doing humanitarian supply runs and stuff) while also giving us the ability to cheese it and not hope the Canadians are around to get us out.
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Oct 22, 2017 05:43
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Getting some security for our mountain airfield just makes sense. Especially considering how cheaply we can acquire some basic security forces.
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Oct 22, 2017 05:52
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I really hope every infantry unit we hire wanders off and goes scissor crazy.
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Oct 22, 2017 05:56
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Thunderdomes just...happen around us.
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Oct 22, 2017 06:12
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Davin Valkri posted:Can we bring Cobbie back as our ground support team? Or maybe some friends from Angola or Tibet? We can still pay them in full, but I like continuity. on ya, sonia
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Oct 22, 2017 06:33
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Instead of hiring cobbie or other ground forces let's just hire cobbies ex wife
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PMC SUGGESTION: NEWS CORPORATION During the great celebrity nude and sextape drought of 2020, the editors of British "Newspaper" THE SUN got a bit too creative for their own good. Faced by the fact that the rich and famous were getting wise to even their most insipid ploys to get their private parts on film, the newspaper resorted to what had started as an office joke two years earlier and decided to buy one of the last operational U2 spyplanes from NASA. It was an instant success. Faced with more footage of indecent conduct than they could swing a stick at, more and more planes and cameras were purchased and streaming services were launched. The future looked bright and skin colored, famously so even, until one fatefull mission... In 2022 on a return trip from a japanese nude beach trying to catch a whiff of that sweet teen idol nonsense they had heard so much about, one of their planes accidentally started recording over a random location in the Bering strait. Back at headquarters they were greatly surprised to find footage of several Iceberg trawlers fishing where they shouldn't be. A bright head suggested they contact one of their rivals for fun but the sum offered from mitsuhashi (Thirty Kardashians, which at the time was the highest denomination used internally.) silenced all laughs and a memo was discretely sent to Rupert Murdoch and News Corporation. The response was quick. Operations were soon taken out of THE SUNS hands and transformed into its own subsidiary of News Corporation to provide services to all their news outlets and anyone else willing to buy for that matter. Spy satellites were lauched, the fleet was expanded and in January 2023, Rupert Murdoch himself revealed the first operational SR-71 Blackbird in 24 years. With an ever growing client base, one thing is clear: Nothing is safe. Not Tom Cruises latest implants, not any hidden missile locations and definitly not anything you wish to keep private that can be monetized.
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I've mentioned this in Discord and I'll say it again here, something about this feels terrifying and sleazy and downright unholy that all the other PMCs do not. Like, it fits perfectly in the 'verse, it's just... So, well done, Orcbuster. Now if you'll excuse me I'll need to scrub off my skin until I feel clean again.
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bibliosabreur posted:I've mentioned this in Discord and I'll say it again here, something about this feels terrifying and sleazy and downright unholy that all the other PMCs do not. Like, it fits perfectly in the 'verse, it's just... Its amazing what can happen when you start bouncing insane ideas off one another. orcbuster fucked around with this message at 07:30 on Oct 22, 2017 |
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In fairness of the big, hardened airport and getting some ground assets for minimal security and a ground radar/backup AA. It's not that expensiveand better to not need it than need it and end up not having. Remember when we faced the full wing slamdancing us and all our planes were taxiing for takeoff and it was our SAM's that saved us from being cratered? We'd rather not have any repeats. Also, is it possible to put Jay in charge of our ground forces team? I mean, I'm pretty sure the Serbs can hook him up with some hella cool drugs and/or booze and we've already flown with Bob so we're cool in his infinitely obscenity laden playbook.
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I want the mountain goon base. A good base airport is essential to getting a bunch of strikes away quickly. And we have a lot of assets now and i think its worth protecting them properly and not relying on other mercs for it. We don't need too much, but: power crystals posted:
I like these options, would add on an infantry platoon and i dont mind shelling out for more transport in the future to lug em round with, especially if we can then get more cargo missions too. DesperateDan fucked around with this message at 08:04 on Oct 22, 2017 |
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Oct 22, 2017 07:57
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Might I suggest a couple airports in Bulgaria that may serve our purposes and possibly be slightly cheaper than the options we currently have: Dobroslavtsi Air Base: A former Bulgarian airbase, in 2017 the only activity at the airbase is guarding some MiGs. Most likely in Yooperverse 2023, this airbase was sold off to Arsenal AD. Features such amenities as random buildings, what looks to be hardened aircraft bunkers, and easy access to Sofia for post mission partying. Ruse Airport: Another former military airport, it was sold off in 2015 to the municipality to be used as a civil airport. Probably super cheap considering the airport is pretty remote so it probably doesn't get a lot of business. Features such amenities as nothing nearby, and also the parking spots appear to be built up in a way that shields the plane parked there from ground attack.
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Ruse is a bit out of the way. Dobroslavtsi isn't a bad idea. Is there a backup airbase nearby to make up for the 1-runway problem though?
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power crystals posted:PS I forget who maintains that image of our assets on the first page (Quinntan?) but there's a typo, the F-117s are named as F-111s. There’s always some sort of mistake somewhere, thanks for catching that one.
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I just spotted this over in the Historical Fun Fact thread:Technocrat posted:Back in 1989, at the tail end of the Cold War, can you guess who had the world's seventh-largest submarine fleet? If you don't already know, it's probably not someone who'd be among your first guesses - it was Pepsi.
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Yvonmukluk posted:I just spotted this over in the Historical Fun Fact thread: Funny you mention that  "Merc Write Up posted:
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  41.895167, 19.598528 A forward team has gone in to Gjader to survey the facilities. Upon landing they immediately got to work and found the nearest pub. Three days later and they actually arrived at the facilities itself. And man, is this place a gem!  The annotated map comes to us courtesy of our Forward Team, Jimmy4400Nav, thedemon, and Kollkevz666. I'll include the notes they provided.
When I pressed them about the airbase they just said it'll be fine.  This place is so thematically perfect that it's hard to go with something else. I think this will be HomeBase and we'll let individual mission plans use FOB's if they so please. We'll have mission voting next! Then it's hammer time! Or night at Igov's...
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Yeah I don't think we need to worry much about ground security.quote:The concrete bunkers of Albania are a ubiquitous sight in the country, with an average of 5.7 bunkers for every square kilometre.
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aphid_licker posted:Yeah I don't think we need to worry much about ground security. We need to put people, or at least some skilfully crafted mannequins in those bunkers Calling the bunker-o-love till I get a flying post
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I'm glad to know our recon team understands what we want most in an airbase. This place sounds rad.
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DesperateDan posted:We need to put people, or at least some skilfully crafted mannequins in those bunkers The Halloween decoration budget should be able to cover it "Skeletons in the bunkers at 6, 7, 9, and 11 through 3 o'clock, sir! Assault is bogging down! Requesting immediate dustoff!"
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Oct 22, 2017 14:43
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Well if the Albanians are cool with it, I'm good with it.
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Gjader is cool but there's something worth bearing in mind which is that it's.. not been an operational base for a while and people have started building houses along the second runway and are using it as an access road: and you can see that in this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RdSd2fka7bk - at 0:20 he's turning onto the south end of the runway:  - at 2:30 more footage of the second runway driving north there's traffic and houses to contend with and the taxiways look beat up. I still think this place looks cool! Yooper could even come up with us having to keep the locals on board, or a tractor might accidentally get parked in the middle of the runway one morning.. shas fucked around with this message at 14:55 on Oct 22, 2017 |
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This place sounds like a good time for mercs with money to spend and a desire to enjoy some not lovely weather for a change! I wonder if Cobbie is coming along, bet he would be a hoot at Igov's Pub and Dance Club.
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shas posted:I still think this place looks cool! Yooper could even come up with us having to keep the locals on board, or a tractor might accidentally get parked in the middle of the runway one morning.. You ever see what happens when a company shows up in a small, financially strapped, town? The loving mayor shows up with every two bit lackey while the local hotels, bars, and restraurants see nothing but dollar signs. We have become a positive growth force in a disadvantaged economy. We could ask them to bulldoze Bob's house and it'll be gone before Bob knows it.
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Actually, where are we going to park our bote? We'll need to find somewhere to base it. In Albania, too? Also, does it come with a complementary chopper? Because otherwise I propose a Hind. Can shuttle personnel and provide fire support if necessary.
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Oct 22, 2017 15:04
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looks like there is a reasonable size port about 30 mins drive away. As the
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Besides, the bote has enough fuel storage to not need to be docked every day or anything like that.
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 We have four initial mission offerings. Please VOTE for two.    
Below is our current standings. Due to the status of the Bulgarian Mafia we have a slight edge there.  GJADER AIR BASE For $37 million we can have a GroundMaster radar installed along with a proper "donation" to the local GJADER Volunteer Fire Department and Sectarian Militia. The locals are happy to provide some clunky old APC's along with whatever they can steal from the local army units. They won't stop a CIA Wet Team, but they'll keep the riff-raff out.  We can look at additional air base additions after the next mission. That will also be 3D Print Proposal Time. So, go vote!
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DesperateDan posted:I like these options, would add on an infantry platoon and i dont mind shelling out for more transport in the future to lug em round with, especially if we can then get more cargo missions too. I've been operating under the assumption that we control a handful of unnamed infantry platoon equivalents armed with whatever generic 7.62mm weapon CMANO uses as its baseline (AKM, I would assume, but given it seems to be one per unit maybe it's an M60?). If nothing else, we have around a hundred inactive pilots to use as I say we open cautiously. Zepplin and Molson Coors CAS. I also am of course voting for buy the radar and friends.
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I say Zeppelin if we want to take it easy, and Hack and CAS for a slightly better paycheck. Perfect opportunity to soft test our 117's! I have misgivings about attacking the good alcohol makers, because good alcohol. I also have a burning desire to never be working for any Taco Bell affiliates again, ever. Just so you all know where my priorities lie. Groggy nard fucked around with this message at 16:24 on Oct 22, 2017 |
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The flypast looks rewarding but deadly. And the Red Bull Riot team sounds cooler than Romarm hackers. MCTB CAS and Zeppelin. Yes to radar/bribery/Mayor's Benevolent Fund contributions or whatever it is.
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I'd start with yugo and romarm, plus reinforce the airfield with radar and volunteers
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