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Svensken
May 29, 2010
EDIT: Let's not start a new page with this subject.

Instead I'll just echo the sentiment that Wally should join the Legends, if only so the dude has something to do.

Svensken fucked around with this message at 15:12 on Oct 25, 2017

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Combat Pretzel
Jun 23, 2004

No, seriously... what kurds?!
I mean, there's been plenty of whacky metas, but Hazard is probably a topic that could have skipped if it were up to me.

Carlosologist
Oct 13, 2013

Revelry in the Dark

Harry breaking up with Wally is the best drat thing I've ever seen

"The Flash is faster than a Prius" - thread title please

Carlosologist fucked around with this message at 15:33 on Oct 25, 2017

Argue
Sep 29, 2005

I represent the Philippines
I just saw this and now I want this to be the next crossover event

Phylodox
Mar 30, 2006



College Slice
So, wait, when the plumber said “This house is...” and Joe interjected “Bitchin’?” was that the quote Barry was citing in the season premiere, or was Joe referencing Barry? Or is it some sort of moebius strip of bitchin’ houses? Was Joe there when they deciphered Barry’s writing?

nine-gear crow
Aug 10, 2013

Xarn posted:

"Yes, they broke up, so we can have the wedding place + time we wanted instead of them"

Our protagonists :v:

Barry and Iris are just so great together. Again, Iris's OP lack of fucks is her super power on this show.

The funeral/wedding/funeral(?) bit was fantastic. Just them sheepishly slinking away like "good luck not dying, father". God drat.

nine-gear crow fucked around with this message at 18:17 on Oct 25, 2017

Tarquinn
Jul 3, 2007

I know I’ve made some very poor decisions recently, but I can give you
my complete assurance that my work will be back to normal.
Hell Gem

Phylodox posted:

So, wait, when the plumber said “This house is...” and Joe interjected “Bitchin’?” was that the quote Barry was citing in the season premiere, or was Joe referencing Barry? Or is it some sort of moebius strip of bitchin’ houses? Was Joe there when they deciphered Barry’s writing?

All the stuff Barry said while in his special state was probably foreshadowing of some kind. There was a lot of other stuff, like something about Oliver and so on.

Bruceski
Aug 21, 2007

The tools of a hero mean nothing without a solid core.

nine-gear crow posted:

The funeral/wedding/funeral(?) bit was fantastic. Just them sheepishly slinking away like "good luck not dying, father". God drat.

Really irresponsible on the part of the church though. If a priest is allergic to cinnamon incense, don't keep any cinnamon incense. Even food allergies are issues for some foods that make dust easily (flour, peanuts for example), DO NOT USE ALLERGENS IN SMOKE.

Phylodox
Mar 30, 2006



College Slice

Bruceski posted:

Really irresponsible on the part of the church though. If a priest is allergic to cinnamon incense, don't keep any cinnamon incense. Even food allergies are issues for some foods that make dust easily (flour, peanuts for example), DO NOT USE ALLERGENS IN SMOKE.

Kevin brought his own incense. He’s a loving idiot, but he shows initiative.

ThNextGreenLantern
Feb 13, 2012

Autism Sneaks posted:

Did anyone else feel bad when Wally asked if anyone had even noticed he'd been absent since the breakup box (by the way :laffo:) and you realized you hadn't either :smith:

During the Final Destination set up at Joe's house/the casino confrontation with Hazard, I actually asked out loud "Where the hell is Wally?!"

I am unhappy with how they have handled Wally West.

Koalas March
May 21, 2007



Tarquinn posted:

All the stuff Barry said while in his special state was probably foreshadowing of some kind. There was a lot of other stuff, like something about Oliver and so on.

He also said some stuff from the pilot and other episodes. It seems like he was experiencing every timeline at once.

Inkspot
Dec 3, 2013

I believe I have
an appointment.
Mr. Goongala?
Seriously considering making "WHO MAKES SOUP SO HOT?!" my text tone.

Sir Potato
May 26, 2012

PO-TAY-TOES
Boil 'em, mash 'em, cook 'em in a stew

Autism Sneaks posted:

Did anyone else feel bad when Wally asked if anyone had even noticed he'd been absent since the breakup box (by the way :laffo:) and you realized you hadn't either :smith:

This so much. I like Wally in the show and the actor isn't given much but he's been gradually getting better, but I actually did feel really bad at the end of the episode, because I hadn't noticed he was gone. And that's not his fault, that's the writers' fault cause they just don't use him. Bring him over to Legends and let him have a good time.

Koirhor
Jan 14, 2008

by Fluffdaddy
That loving haircut though

Chokes McGee
Aug 7, 2008

This is Urotsuki.
loving laffo they bus'd Wally.

Other than that this season has been exactly what I wanted from The Flash. (That's still pretty egregious, though.)

Guy A. Person
May 23, 2003

Yeah that's a total bummer about Wally. He was finally fitting in a lot better with the show's new mandatory lightheartedness. Agreed he should go on Legends, he would fit in there too and has a built in "I'm trying to step out of the Flash's shadow" story arc built in.

lotus circle
Dec 25, 2012

Jushure Iburu
So don't worry
I'm rewatching season 3 with a friend and honestly it's a lot better than I remembered? I think around the mid-way is where it kind of started to go downhill, but the stuff up until the Grodd episodes is still fairly solid. Also makes me wish harder Wally didn't get so poorly written out. When Arrow does a better job of sending off a sidekick, you know you goofed.

Mulva
Sep 13, 2011
It's about time for my once per decade ban for being a consistently terrible poster.
Holy gently caress, they sent Wally off worse than Kickflip Nolines?

Giant Tourtiere
Aug 4, 2006

TRICHER
POUR
GAGNER

Sir Potato posted:

This so much. I like Wally in the show and the actor isn't given much but he's been gradually getting better, but I actually did feel really bad at the end of the episode, because I hadn't noticed he was gone. And that's not his fault, that's the writers' fault cause they just don't use him. Bring him over to Legends and let him have a good time.

I can only imagine "another speedster" being a pretty difficult thing thing to work with, writing wise. I know that's more or less what the pile of Flashes is like in the comics, but man a character who does exactly what your main does is not really an asset to the story. If he was going to be on the show regularly they needed to find a way for Wally to somehow have his own thing.

I actually thought the previous episode was a harsher treatment of Wally, and indicative of the problem with him on the show. 'Our whole premise for the climax is that the Flash is made helpless by his suit being hacked!' 'Right but Wally has the same powers and no tech suit.' 'Fine we'll just knock Wally unconscious and leave him there the rest of the way.'

Tiggum
Oct 24, 2007

Your life and your quest end here.


evenworse username posted:

I actually thought the previous episode was a harsher treatment of Wally, and indicative of the problem with him on the show. 'Our whole premise for the climax is that the Flash is made helpless by his suit being hacked!' 'Right but Wally has the same powers and no tech suit.' 'Fine we'll just knock Wally unconscious and leave him there the rest of the way.'
I don't know why they didn't just have Cisco upgrade both their suits.

Ojjeorago
Sep 21, 2008

I had a dream, too. It wasn't pleasant, though ... I dreamt I was a moron...
Gary’s Answer
They should have differentiated them like in the comics by having Wally be better at some Flash powers than Barry. But with these writers they’d probably do something stupid like “Wally is better at phasing because he has more fast twitch muscle fiber.”

The Lord Bude
May 23, 2007

ASK ME ABOUT MY SHITTY, BOUGIE INTERIOR DECORATING ADVICE
As much as I'd like to see wally on LoT; It would be enormous power creep to have a speedster on the team. Even firestorm has become completely ridiculous, in that they never have them merge and keep contriving reasons to keep jax and stein apart. How many times other than the crossover have we even seen firestorm since the beginning of season 2?

Guy A. Person
May 23, 2003

evenworse username posted:

I can only imagine "another speedster" being a pretty difficult thing thing to work with, writing wise. I know that's more or less what the pile of Flashes is like in the comics, but man a character who does exactly what your main does is not really an asset to the story. If he was going to be on the show regularly they needed to find a way for Wally to somehow have his own thing.

I feel like the threats are also getting sufficiently large scale enough that instead of (or I guess in addition to) just KOing Wally before he can do anything impressive, they can contrive some other thing he has to do, like save civilians or whatever. You can even have a subplot one episode where Wally is frustrated always having to do cleanup work and Barry lets him take point.

Like last episode they could have had him trying to help with all the unlucky disasters, only for him to make things worse and have to remain frozen somewhere. Or do like they already do in the comics and have multiple Rogues team up so the team has to split their resources.

I think the key thing is to focus on the story and not so much the mechanics of "how do we make this fight interesting with two guys who run fast instead of just one". Wally is differentiated not because he has a different power set but because he is Barry's protege and is a little more inexperienced and impulsive and the focus should be on Barry teaching Wally to be a hero (and maybe learning a little something himself in the process :smug:)

Inkspot
Dec 3, 2013

I believe I have
an appointment.
Mr. Goongala?

evenworse username posted:

If he was going to be on the show regularly they needed to find a way for Wally to somehow have his own thing.

He should be seeking out other Titans. Make him the charming goofball slowly building a network of allies while Barry deals with archnemeses and his friends and family keeping secrets all the time.

Aleph Null
Jun 10, 2008

You look very stressed
Tortured By Flan
That episode was everything I love about Flash. They seem to be doing their best to bring back the old mojo. I'm also pleased that Wells has already figured out that things are too coincidental to be coincidence and that there is a larger plan at work. Shame about the samurai head.

howe_sam
Mar 7, 2013

Creepy little garbage eaters

The Lord Bude posted:

How many times other than the crossover have we even seen firestorm since the beginning of season 2?

Two out of the last three episodes for starters.

The Lord Bude
May 23, 2007

ASK ME ABOUT MY SHITTY, BOUGIE INTERIOR DECORATING ADVICE
The samurai head is ridiculous. The team was attacked by a ROBOT SAMURAI. Are you seriously trying to tell me that Cisco wouldn't take that thing apart and examine every last detail of it? IT IS A ROBOT SAMURAI HEAD. There is no way on the face of the earth he wouldn't have been beside himself with excitement at the thought of examining it.

WhyteRyce
Dec 30, 2001

The Lord Bude posted:

As much as I'd like to see wally on LoT; It would be enormous power creep to have a speedster on the team. Even firestorm has become completely ridiculous, in that they never have them merge and keep contriving reasons to keep jax and stein apart. How many times other than the crossover have we even seen firestorm since the beginning of season 2?

Keeping them apart isn't that big of a deal. It's that a flying being that can transmute materials is continually knocked out by poo poo like wooden arrows and sticks

Chokes McGee
Aug 7, 2008

This is Urotsuki.

The Lord Bude posted:

The samurai head is ridiculous. The team was attacked by a ROBOT SAMURAI. Are you seriously trying to tell me that Cisco wouldn't take that thing apart and examine every last detail of it? IT IS A ROBOT SAMURAI HEAD. There is no way on the face of the earth he wouldn't have been beside himself with excitement at the thought of examining it.

But did he check... FOR BIOLOGICAL SIGNS?

The Thinker thinks of everything :smug:

MiddleOne
Feb 17, 2011

The Lord Bude posted:

The samurai head is ridiculous. The team was attacked by a ROBOT SAMURAI. Are you seriously trying to tell me that Cisco wouldn't take that thing apart and examine every last detail of it? IT IS A ROBOT SAMURAI HEAD. There is no way on the face of the earth he wouldn't have been beside himself with excitement at the thought of examining it.

Everyone on the Flash is suffering from an acute case of lead poisoning from having been in that rickety house too much.

Chokes McGee
Aug 7, 2008

This is Urotsuki.

MiddleOne posted:

Everyone on the Flash is suffering from an acute case of lead poisoning from having been in that rickety house too much.

Alternatively, Barry exudes the Stupid Force in a field around him at all times.

muscles like this!
Jan 17, 2005


Ojjeorago posted:

They should have differentiated them like in the comics by having Wally be better at some Flash powers than Barry. But with these writers they’d probably do something stupid like “Wally is better at phasing because he has more fast twitch muscle fiber.”

Well, they did have a thing last season where they revealed that Wally was actually faster than Barry but then this season's premier went and blew that up with Barry's Speed Force upgrade.

VictorianQueerLit
Aug 25, 2017

Chokes McGee posted:

Alternatively, Barry exudes the Stupid Force in a field around him at all times.

I think it's a Central City thing.

At the end of the episode the Thinkers sidekick said "They are identifying targets sooner than we planned, perhaps they're smarter than you gave them credit" and the Thinker responds "Perhaps. But I'm Smarter."

All Team Flash did was respond to a bank robbery during the middle of the day with 100 witnesses and then pursue the lady who made no attempts to hide herself. If this is a wrinkle in Thinkers plan then unfortunately he isn't actually a super genius and is just less stupid than everyone else.

I did like the evil mastermind cliche of playing chess though. It comes built in to his chair.

Guy A. Person
May 23, 2003

VictorianQueerLit posted:

I think it's a Central City thing.

At the end of the episode the Thinkers sidekick said "They are identifying targets sooner than we planned, perhaps they're smarter than you gave them credit" and the Thinker responds "Perhaps. But I'm Smarter."

All Team Flash did was respond to a bank robbery during the middle of the day with 100 witnesses and then pursue the lady who made no attempts to hide herself. If this is a wrinkle in Thinkers plan then unfortunately he isn't actually a super genius and is just less stupid than everyone else.

I did like the evil mastermind cliche of playing chess though. It comes built in to his chair.

Well tbf when Thinker responded with his "but I'm smarter" line, all he had done was place a webcam in a robot head and hope that Flash's team stuck it somewhere important. So, yeah, "less stupid than everyone else" is probably accurate.

I thought sidekick lady might have been referring to them deducing the bus connection, which required at least some investigation.

howe_sam
Mar 7, 2013

Creepy little garbage eaters

Guy A. Person posted:

I thought sidekick lady might have been referring to them deducing the bus connection, which required at least some investigation.

Yeah, that's what she meant.

Mr Beens
Dec 2, 2006

howe_sam posted:

Hey guys, did you know the Flash is more lighthearted? Because it's so more lighthearted

I know the Flash is more lighthearted as they are using the "plinky plonky this is lighthearted" music pretty much constantly.

twistedmentat
Nov 21, 2003

Its my party
and I'll die if
I want to

Inkspot posted:

Seriously considering making "WHO MAKES SOUP SO HOT?!" my text tone.

Line of the show right there. It was almost a golden age Simpsons joke.

Just the constant bad luck was great. The sully bit was kind of outdated, but the cgi canada goose salvaged it.

FactsAreUseless
Feb 16, 2011

"Twelve metas were created by the dark matter when you returned, Barry."

"What about the ones created when the particle accelerator exploded this time?"

"Uh."

FactsAreUseless
Feb 16, 2011

However, I do appreciate Harry's quick thinking in realizing you could only beat magic with bigger magic.

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nine-gear crow
Aug 10, 2013

FactsAreUseless posted:

"Twelve metas were created by the dark matter when you returned, Barry."

"What about the ones created when the particle accelerator exploded this time?"

"Uh."

The accelerator didn’t poo poo out dark matter this time, it farted reserve bad luck energy. So no new metas this time.

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