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trucutru posted:I actually disagree with part of that. There are some areas where the backers will never change their minds about "DS sucks", "They are doing something never done before", "Not-a-scam" and so on, so if you approach them from an angle that kinda smells like those they immediately get into a defensive position. But if you just have a regular conversation about some meaningless detail and slowly move it towards something more important you get some surprising results. People are changing their mind about the game and it is almost always from being positive about it into getting disillusioned, and all the tech demos in the world won't help in the long run with them. I have not seen a single dude (besides that guy that posts in here with the MLP avatar who bought in twice, lol) go the other way around. Nobody loving cares about their feelings or their safe space. If they're too loving stupid to see the forest from the trees, let them have their dreams because they deserve to be scammed - and I hope croberts continues to do that because the end result will be even more hilarious when they finally realize that he's never - ever - going to give them the game they're dreaming up. ----------------
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Toops posted:I mean still, when you think about it, this is like the most incredible goose, laying golden eggs like a motherfucker. That revenue, wobble though it might, is coming in by the millions, year after year, to a business that has produced no things, with no idea when it will start. Indeed. Even though it doesn't account for refunds, is totally not actual numbers, it's incredible to think that there are people (monthly subs aside) still putting money in this. However, as they say, they bigger it gets, the harder it will fall. It's going to be an amazing spectacle when it does because they clearly don't have the funding to keep this train wreck afloat much longer. Even the CC2017 funding is barely going to pay for one month of their expenses. ----------------
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Combat Pretzel posted:I bet your rear end, whenever Dual Universe goes to prove itself to be functional multiplayer wise, CIG is gonna try to license their netcode. Yeah, I know. That code is so old and rudimentary, I winced when I saw it again last week. ----------------
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Oct 28, 2017 14:04
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Combat Pretzel posted:The gently caress? Derek is trying to explain why his games are buggy pieces of poo poo while assuming that someone must understand and care as much as he does.
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eXXon posted:Derek is trying to explain why his games are buggy pieces of poo poo while assuming that someone must understand and care as much as he does. --edit: On the other hand, if this is supposed to be some hosed up integer rotation matrix bullshit, way to save some CPU cycles. --edit: The more I look at it, the more confused I get. Combat Pretzel fucked around with this message at 14:18 on Oct 28, 2017 |
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These incredibly flashy bullshot demos, all having nothing to do with the actual game code and created purely to fleece idiots of their cash, are going to be the final gilded nail in the coffin of this loving mess. The more separated these "demos" appear from the actual game proper the worse it'll be. All Chris cares about is keeping the money coming in, but at some point, the reality of what Chris Roberts is capable of building (spoiler: pure poo poo) will hit home and then the delta between what was shown and what was delivered will be thrown into sharp relief. "Where are the cities, Chris? Where is the sandworm? Where is loving ANYTHING?" And of course there will be nothing. PCGamer, who evidently played a full version of 3.0 with planetary landings etc. a goddamed year ago despite it objectively not existing, will get away with lying, but will CIG? Long-term viability sacrificed on the altar of short-term profit. Sound reasoning IMO.
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Scruffpuff posted:These incredibly flashy bullshot demos, all having nothing to do with the actual game code and created purely to fleece idiots of their cash, are going to be the final gilded nail in the coffin of this loving mess. Anything to keep the funding going, the dream alive. A normal gaming community with tempered expectations could never produce laughs at this rate and personally I'm grateful for every bit of lying and shilling going on.
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If you're new to this whole thing you might be missing out on a large portion of comedy. You see, Chris did a presentation on ArcCorp (the procedural/hand-crafted city/moon/planet from yesterday's presentation) back in 2014. Here's what it looked like then: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TiVODuGFCMg&t=5950s
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There's a video online of just the ArcCorp part without all the bugs or Chris talking but I didn't want to ruin your immersion.
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Oct 28, 2017 15:01
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thatguy posted:If you're new to this whole thing you might be missing out on a large portion of comedy. You see, Chris did a presentation on ArcCorp (the procedural/hand-crafted city/moon/planet from yesterday's presentation) back in 2014. I just watched this on an optane youtube machine, and it looks glorious. Where's the comedy?
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So CC17 in a nutshell: Nothing has changed.
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Golli posted:I just watched this on an optane youtube machine, and it looks glorious. Where's the comedy? Think about MoMA for a minute, it'll come
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Star Citizen: Travel needs to have meaning in a game like this.
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Tried to look up some leaked footage from that Evocati build. The few bits that are available still only revolve around that old dumbass ringed space station.
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AutismVaccine posted:Star Citizen: Travel needs to have meaning in a game like this. That to me is the worst thing about this performance art piece - particularly if actually they wanted it to ultimately be a playable MMO. Over the years I have played a few MMO's, and the prerendered demo yesterday contained all of the timesink travel problems that ultimately led to abandonment from boredom. Walking around from point A to point B with no waypoints or objectives available and visible (particularly for a new player). Vanilla WOW was my first MMO. Saw a video of an early Onyxia kill and decided to give it a try. Valley of Trials went OK, then when they kicked me out, I wandered blindly out of the Valley and immediately took a hard right, wound up on the other side of the river in the Barrens - and got repeatedly owned by level 13 giraffes. After about 20 hours and many deaths, and talking to a guy at work who showed me the Onyxia video, I found out about mounts. So I toughed it out. Over the years, WOW has improved the travel experience - realizing that doing stuff at Point A or Point B is more fun to more people that getting between the two points. Complicated mount summoning rituals - SWTOR is a good example of this. The first time you go to your instanced hangar and get in your ship, walk around, 'talk' to your crew, travel (instantly) to your destination, then go through destination starport hangar, the starport, find a taxi stand and go to your next quest-giver was cool. The 12000th time was tedious. But at least travel between planets was fast. Slow travel in space - EVE is a good example of this. Even barring null, and low-sec travel, which is hard by design. It takes forever to get to someplace to (maybe) do something interesting. I did Red Frog freight hauling for a stretch, which was a fairly safe way to build up what at the time I felt was a lot of spacebux. But there was one system that took two or three minutes (maybe it was more but I don't want to exaggerate. It felt like forever) in warp to get from one gate to another - and I soon learned to pass on any contract available that included that system. And these are all things that Chris seems to emphasize as the COOL PARTS of a potential MMO. Hard pass. Thanks.
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AutismVaccine posted:So CC17 in a nutshell: That's not entirely true, CIG figured out how to replicate the building zoning and placement tech from SimCity2000
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So I've been a long time lurker but had to grit my teeth and pay up just to explain....well gloat on all you clowns, Like how does it taste? The biggest event of the year where you guys were sourly clenching your fingers in anticipation of mocking something better than yourselves. But Chris delivered. Showing Dereek Farts and you idiots what is possible in gaming. You guys are pretty much silent, trying anything in your power to smear this accomplishment and its ugly. You have nothing solid to point at and say this is bad. Its all supposition and honestly, lies. See you in the loving Verse friends.
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Oct 28, 2017 16:05
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You paid $10 to say that. We win again!
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SCtrumpHaters posted:So I've been a long time lurker but had to grit my teeth and pay up just to explain....well gloat on all you clowns, Tastes like you are trying a little too hard
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Dooguk posted:Crobber has a head like a doorknob. Anyone can turn it. Nice
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Erenthal posted:also googling the federal trade commission led me to discovering that their latest campaign against student loan scams is called "Operation Game of Loans" Okay not going to lie, that's pretty awesome.
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SCtrumpHaters posted:See you in the loving Verse friends.
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SCtrumpHaters posted:So I've been a long time lurker but had to grit my teeth and pay up just to explain....well gloat on all you clowns, Well Derek has all kinds of insider information and solid proof that would 100% result in legal action by CIG action against him that he won’t post because reasons and also he called it and also they’re running out of money and furthermore
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hardycore posted:Tastes like you are trying a little too hard That’s just the overture. Relax, grab a drink.
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SCtrumpHaters posted:So I've been a long time lurker but had to grit my teeth and pay up just to explain....well gloat on all you clowns, I like this guy, he's got balls
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Regrettable posted:Pretty much. You can use it for gaming but you won't see much benefit over a 960 Pro. ...M2.
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SCtrumpHaters posted:You guys are pretty much silent, trying anything in your power to smear this accomplishment and its ugly. You have nothing solid to point at and say this is bad Well, there was the keynote and the opening ad
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SCtrumpHaters posted:So I've been a long time lurker but had to grit my teeth and pay up just to explain....well gloat on all you clowns, Derek Farts.
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SCtrumpHaters posted:So I've been a long time lurker but had to grit my teeth and pay up just to explain....well gloat on all you clowns, How's Tim doing after Citizencon
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SCtrumpHaters posted:So I've been a long time lurker but had to grit my teeth and pay up just to explain....well gloat on all you clowns, r u ok copmmando?
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Tokamak posted:That part is true. It was six hours of presentations that I don't think anyone here sat through. The keynote was Star Citizen purgatory. A commando uneventfully floating through a morass of art. It was incredibly dull and numbing to the point that the part with the only amusing bug (NPCs standing on chairs) barely got a mention. The tech banality and swelling scope just barely sustained me. And space captain Morgan. Looking forward to the base building mechanics to get roughed in and released. This game is promising to be the glitchiest and unbalanced in history. The only risk is that CiG completely goes under, so pledge generously, commandos!
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If plan A comes off then a really turgid and generic space game will be born. Thank god CIG are so loving useless
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But people in the thread have said a whole bunch that if a real and good game comes out, they'll be happy to play it, lol. Why do ragers always miss this point? It won't deligitimize complaints and criticism about how that game came to be either way, additionally. You can enjoy an outcome but still admit the way you got there was stupid as hell, and CIG has done a lot of poo poo wrong that won't just disappear if SC is the best game ever. It is okay to not be 200% a shill OR someone who vapidly spews vitriol. There are in betweens. Breathe and enjoy life a little, friend. Also spend your ten bucks on something nice for yourself next time, like a tasty chicken sandwich!
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SCtrumpHaters posted:So I've been a long time lurker but had to grit my teeth and pay up just to explain....well gloat on all you clowns, Vr'a atna yo mama. Only a true Citizen will understand this.
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Tokamak posted:That part is true. It was six hours of presentations that I don't think anyone here sat through. I did. There was a brief pause while I was in a meeting, but the rest was pure Vogon poetry. A thumb speaks next to a box and introduces Intel, who have staple their NudeTane to a limited edition ship. Mutual masturbation commences for 25 minutes. Stairs, stairs, ramps, sliding, alter the angle of the foot to the normal of the plane, raycast to the future, produce flawless strafing over low obstacles, ditto for backwards, treat barrels and bodies the same as concrete, *don't talk about stairs*. We ripped off simplified Chinese and made a space turtle. How to create planetary environments in seventy-five slides. Buy our ship because in a future, you'll be able to build outposts, although how they show up to other people is a grey area. A thumb speaks again, while someone carefully (to avoid the motion blur) navigates through an environment that is carefully tuned. Hav fucked around with this message at 16:40 on Oct 28, 2017 |
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Mr. Carlisle posted:You have to wonder if it's the failure of the artists or their art being sent back so many times with roberts saying "THIS IS WHAT I WANT SO MAKE THAT" and pointing to google image searches that they just say gently caress it and give him exactly what he asks for one of the presentations they said they give cr at least 6 deigns for a ship. he then picks what parts he likes and they then mash it together for the next iteration. that has to result in a lot of unused work and he is probably pretty random in what he likes. no wonder if they often don't try very hard.
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