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Don Gato posted:RNG based on data on the CD iirc, something based on the metadata, but there were some unique monsters you could generate from certain CDs/DVDs. Off the top of my head, you got a unique owl thing in MR 4 if you put in a harry potter DVD. Pretty sure this is right - and it’s cool to know they adapted it to work with dvds too. (Makes sense, I just didn’t stick with the series long enough to find out.)
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Tiggum posted:Wait, so there's a game that generates different monsters based, somehow, on what audio CDs you put into the console? How does that work? There's five CD based one a couple word based and one drawing based. How have you managed to miss out on Monster Rancher?
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Oct 29, 2017 03:30
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Len posted:There's five CD based one a couple word based and one drawing based. How have you managed to miss out on Monster Rancher? I haven't owned a game console since the Atari 2600.
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Oct 29, 2017 03:35
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drat, dude. But basically, the CD/DVD Monster Ranchers read part of the data on each disc you inserted, then generated a monster that the devs coded for that set of data. Every copy of the game would generate the same monster for the same disc, and some unique monsters were only available from inserting specific music discs.
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Oct 29, 2017 03:47
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Tiggum posted:I always found it pretty weird that the Beetlejuice cartoon existed. And Betelgeuse was a friendly prankster in it. And the Maitlands just weren't in it at all. It's basically got nothing to do with the movie. Dark Theory Time: The cartoon is set in a reality where Beetlejuice won and messed with Lydia's mind to make her think she was living a perfect life in his world and in hers to keep her in his thrall.
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Oct 29, 2017 04:04
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Len posted:one drawing based. Holy poo poo, Takato in Digimon Tamers was just playing by the wrong franchises rules... (his digivice made Guilmon by scanning a notebook that Takato was making Digimon fanart in.  I always liked that Guilmon was not a "natural" digimon, it added a reason that their bond was different to the others - he was literally part of Takato from the beginning.)
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Tiggum posted:Unrelatedly, it always annoys me that the movie is called Beetlejuice instead of Betelgeuse. There's even a joke in the film about his name being spelled that way. To keep people from saying, "Two tickets to 'Betel-gise' please."
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Oct 30, 2017 00:10
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Different sort of "not aging well" is when you have a TV show that's on a very long time and you go back to very early episodes and you notice how characters you think of as main or major supporting ones are barely in it or very different. For example, I recently rewatched some episodes from the first three seasons of South Park and characters like Officer Barbrady, Dr Mephesto and Kevin, Stan's gun-nut uncle are relatively important, Butters is barely if at all in it, Randy is a background character etc. Also, it's sort of weird 20-ish years later that "Oh my God, they killed Kenny!"/"You bastards!" was in practically every episode. Like all of Bart's old catchphrases from early Simpsons. I haven't kept up with The Simpsons for a while but I can't imagine he tells anyone to eat his shorts or not have a cow (man) with any regularity nowadays.
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Oct 30, 2017 00:23
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poo poo, there was a season 7 Simpsons episode with a joke about Bart never saying "don't have a cow, man" anymore
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Oct 30, 2017 02:55
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ElwoodCuse posted:poo poo, there was a season 7 Simpsons episode with a joke about Bart never saying "don't have a cow, man" anymore "Don't jump a shark, man".
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Oct 30, 2017 02:58
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Archer season 1 had some characters lile Ray and Krieger only have a few one off lines and developing into full characters by season 2.
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Oct 30, 2017 04:36
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ElwoodCuse posted:poo poo, there was a season 7 Simpsons episode with a joke about Bart never saying "don't have a cow, man" anymore "Cowabunga." season 11. edit: to add another example Mister Mind has a new favorite as of 05:10 on Oct 30, 2017 |
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Oct 30, 2017 05:08
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Took em a while to put Krieger into the opening credits. South Park is a funny example in that they clearly got bored or ran out of ideas with a lot of characters and either introduced new ones or started developing underused ones in their stead. Kenny was basically a prop most of the time until recent seasons where he got his own spotlight episodes.
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Oct 30, 2017 05:19
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RagnarokAngel posted:Archer season 1 had some characters lile Ray and Krieger only have a few one off lines and developing into full characters by season 2. I just rewatched the first episode of Archer and when Archer first arrived at HQ there is a secretary that just disappeared never to be seen or heard from again. I know it's common for that type of thing to happen especially with early episodes but it was was real "wait who the gently caress is that?" moment on the rewatch. Also speaking of Archer the whole ISIS thing lol
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Dragonstoned posted:Also speaking of Archer the whole ISIS thing lol archer should have had a plot about ISIS stealing their name, they were too timid about addressing it
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Me and my partner binged on Archer and were pretty amazed it skirted over that, especially given the other stuff it poked fun of. Maybe they just didn't want to tie it to a specific date? A lot of stuff is a mish-mash of time periods, with a couple of jokes even poking fun at characters not being able to name the year.
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Oct 30, 2017 11:25
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Archer's design is accidentally awesome, I love the 1950s - 1970s terminals, cold wars, muscle cars and space stations existing alongside smartphones and pop culture. It basically follows no rules apart from 'is it cool/appropriate for the show' and that's it.
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Oct 30, 2017 12:12
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Wheat Loaf posted:Different sort of "not aging well" is when you have a TV show that's on a very long time and you go back to very early episodes and you notice how characters you think of as main or major supporting ones are barely in it or very different. "Happy Days" is a great example of this. Fonzie was a rarely seen supporting character the first couple of seasons and became more prominent as his popularity increased. I guess they got rid of Richie's older brother, Chuck, to give Winkler more screen time.
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poptart_fairy posted:Me and my partner binged on Archer and were pretty amazed it skirted over that, especially given the other stuff it poked fun of. Maybe they just didn't want to tie it to a specific date? A lot of stuff is a mish-mash of time periods, with a couple of jokes even poking fun at characters not being able to name the year. As far as I'm aware, it was a combination of not really wanting to address it so as not to date the show, and real-life ISIS' rise to prominence coinciding with the in-fiction ISIS dissolving, so it wasn't really an issue at that point.
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I think they should have just gone with it and had the characters constantly insisting that no, the other one is ISIL.
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Wheat Loaf posted:Different sort of "not aging well" is when you have a TV show that's on a very long time and you go back to very early episodes and you notice how characters you think of as main or major supporting ones are barely in it or very different. For example, I recently rewatched some episodes from the first three seasons of South Park and characters like Officer Barbrady, Dr Mephesto and Kevin, Stan's gun-nut uncle are relatively important, Butters is barely if at all in it, Randy is a background character etc. South Park kind of did a reverse-Simpsons really. One started out being a show with a small cast of characters that expanded into being about the whole town and all its wacky one-note side characters, while the other started off with a town populated with wacky one-note side characters that eventually kind of outlived their necessity. ElwoodCuse posted:poo poo, there was a season 7 Simpsons episode with a joke about Bart never saying "don't have a cow, man" anymore The last twenty years of The Simpsons have been nothing but meta-jokes about how things that happened in older episodes don't happen anymore I'm pretty sure
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I think someone was saying a while ago that what they saw in a change in South Park was how the kids stopped behaving and thinking like kids for the most part. You could have episodes where they'd have their crazy stuff going on in the world that made no sense, but a lot of their ways of dealing with it and their reactions to it were things that seemed almost child-like because they just didn't have the intelligence or influence to actually do anything else. I'm not really sure how certain older episodes would be different if they were made today, or if current episodes had been made 15-20 years ago, though, when it came to the characters' ways of handling it.
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Dragonstoned posted:I just rewatched the first episode of Archer and when Archer first arrived at HQ there is a secretary that just disappeared never to be seen or heard from again. I was rewatching season one Simpsons episodes and there are a bunch of characters like this. Mostly friends of Homer and Bart that disappeared from Springfield altogether. I'm fairly sure none show up as background characters or have a meta-joke reference in later seasons, either.
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JediTalentAgent posted:I think someone was saying a while ago that what they saw in a change in South Park was how the kids stopped behaving and thinking like kids for the most part. You could have episodes where they'd have their crazy stuff going on in the world that made no sense, but a lot of their ways of dealing with it and their reactions to it were things that seemed almost child-like because they just didn't have the intelligence or influence to actually do anything else. The same thing basically happened with The Simpsons as well. Bart and especially Lisa stopped being kids and started being teens, or even functional adults, depending on what the plot required that they be. Episodes from before wouldn't work with them as they are now because they would no longer react in a remotely similar fashion. BJPaskoff posted:I was rewatching season one Simpsons episodes and there are a bunch of characters like this. Mostly friends of Homer and Bart that disappeared from Springfield altogether. I'm fairly sure none show up as background characters or have a meta-joke reference in later seasons, either. See, this is why I really like Homer's Enemy, because it introduces a tertiary character into a series that is slowly forgetting its tertiary characters, and then kills him before the end of the episode.
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SpacePig posted:See, this is why I really like Homer's Enemy, because it introduces a tertiary character into a series that is slowly forgetting its tertiary characters, and then kills him before the end of the episode. That's sometimes Chalmers's role, though only in the context of reacting to Skinner's antics. "Why is it that when I heard the word 'school' and the word 'exploded' I immediately thought of the word 'SKINNER'?"
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BiggerBoat posted:"Happy Days" is a great example of this. Fonzie was a rarely seen supporting character the first couple of seasons and became more prominent as his popularity increased. I guess they got rid of Richie's older brother, Chuck, to give Winkler more screen time. In the first season, the Fonz couldn't even wear his leather jacket unless he was on or near his motorcycle.
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Dragonstoned posted:I just rewatched the first episode of Archer and when Archer first arrived at HQ there is a secretary that just disappeared never to be seen or heard from again. Apparently the plan was to have a different secretary every week who'd get run off by Archer, but Judy Greer knocked it out of the park as Cheryl that they decided just to keep her on.
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The thing with The Simpsons is while it's definitely dropped in quality it's hard to categorically diagnose what happened. Like if you go to early episodes you can still find examples of Jerkass Homer or Flanders being too broad or anything else that's supposedly a marker of Where Things Went Wrong. Like there are differences between old and new but nothing that's definitive. Of course the real issue is it's been 25 some years and there haven't been any significant shifts in key creative personnel for years so nobody has any new ideas and so on.
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Maxwell Lord posted:The thing with The Simpsons is while it's definitely dropped in quality it's hard to categorically diagnose what happened. Like if you go to early episodes you can still find examples of Jerkass Homer or Flanders being too broad or anything else that's supposedly a marker of Where Things Went Wrong. Like there are differences between old and new but nothing that's definitive. Yeah. Somewhere between seasons 11 & 15 you will find actual, truly bad episodes. But since then, it's been harder to quantify. They got things back up to a point of "decent, but something's missing" just in time for the movie to come out and be quite good, and then they rode that wave into whateverdom.
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To be fair to the Simpsons, producing 25 years of good to great animated TV is something to really be celebrated. I always wondered what happened to Marge's Mom. Abe gets continual play but never Jacqueline. She's like Chuck from Happy Days or tiger from the Brady Bunch. She just went poof.
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This season premier was about her.
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I seriously could have sworn Marge's mom died back in the 90's  like not even late 90s
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You're probably thinking of great aunt Gladys.
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open24hours posted:You're probably thinking of great aunt Gladys. He was a good man, he was a kind man, he gave to his community and asked little in return.
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They never really did much with Marge's mom. And her father never really showed up except in flashbacks, though I think it's implied he died before the series began. Interestingly, it seems Patty and Selma actually get along better with Homer in recent seasons than at the start. (and flashbacks have them bulling Marge in a similar fashion that they pick on Homer, they're just generally jerks looking for an easy target)
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open24hours posted:You're probably thinking of great aunt Gladys. But her legend will live forever.
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Super Eyepatch Wolf did a pretty good video on what exactly happened to the Simpsons and why it started going downhill in the first place, and what made it so special to begin with. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KqFNbCcyFkk
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Chrpno posted:But her legend will live forever. Yeah. The legend of the dog-faced woman!
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Maxwell Lord posted:The thing with The Simpsons is while it's definitely dropped in quality it's hard to categorically diagnose what happened. Like if you go to early episodes you can still find examples of Jerkass Homer or Flanders being too broad or anything else that's supposedly a marker of Where Things Went Wrong. Like there are differences between old and new but nothing that's definitive. Personally, the moment that really struck me that something was wrong, watching the show when it was originally broadcast, was the Tomacco episode. They changed animation styles, and something just felt...off. Homer and Bart were too zany, too stupid, and the whole premise of the episode stretched too far. I also think that season brought on a while lot more "Celebrity guest" episodes as well. Was that the same season with the Join the Navy Backstreet Boys disaster as well? I used to religiously watch the show back then, but after Tomacco the honeymoon was over and it was just downhill. In retrospect, the show probably jumped the shark a season or two before that, but going forward it was actively bad.
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LogisticEarth posted:Was that the same season with the Join the Navy Backstreet Boys disaster as well? It's the season after they have the boy band episode, but yeah it's definitely where it devolved into "Oh wow *Insert celebrity here* is over there!". Nevertheless it still had a few funny moments back then and I will never not laugh at "Yeah that's right... Lieutenant L.T. Smash".
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