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Atlas Hugged posted:Yeah, this is how I've been reading it. Heidi is only with him because Cartman is manipulating her and we're not supposed to sympathize with him at all. He's miserable because of his own inability to admit that he's too selfish to be in a relationship and he's not going to let her dump him because he can't see himself as anything less than the most desirable man on earth. The situation is tragic for Heidi though since she seems to be a genuinely good person. As Kyle said Kyle Brofloski jewish macho man and all around cool guy posted:"Break up with her, you clearly can't stand her, let the poor girl go! Heidi is a nice girl how can you so awful to her." MonsterEnvy fucked around with this message at 09:04 on Oct 28, 2017 |
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I think that the joke is less "women are annoying" and more "Men fret over inconsequential poo poo like it's the goddamn end of the world", in the case of Eric & Heidi the joke is even made more explicit as Heidi is very clearly out of Cartman's league, given how smart and funny she is.
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Oct 28, 2017 10:06
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If the victim blaming in the police station was supposed to come off in a bad light I don't think they succeeded. It is the first time I can remember the show actually irking me.
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Oct 28, 2017 11:33
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Kyle's always after other guys girls. He's a bad friend.
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Oct 28, 2017 14:26
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sassassin posted:Kyle's always after other guys girls. I loved the look on his face at Cartman's "what do you know Kyle, you've never had a girlfriend!" What a burn.
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Oct 28, 2017 14:41
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emanresu tnuocca posted:I think that the joke is less "women are annoying" and more "Men fret over inconsequential poo poo like it's the goddamn end of the world" It doesn't have to be a stereotype of a whole gender. Heidi is annoying to Cartman.
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Oct 28, 2017 15:12
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Bruegels Fuckbooks posted:I loved the look on his face at Cartman's "what do you know Kyle, you've never had a girlfriend!" What a burn. Didn't he have something with that one girl who wanted to wear his rear end as a hat?
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Oct 28, 2017 16:05
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I could see Heidi dumping Cartman, which would make him happy. But then she dates one of the other boys, maybe Kenny, and is still around all the time anyway.
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Oct 28, 2017 16:56
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Kyle stealing Heidi would make Cartman even more evil than he already is and they should do that.
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Oct 28, 2017 17:00
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clown shoes posted:Kyle stealing Heidi would make Cartman even more evil than he already is and they should do that. Oh god that would be great.
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Oct 28, 2017 17:20
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Yeah, imagine that with not even any actual break-up or dumping. Just one day Heidi and Kyle start going steady in public without even letting Cartman know.
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Oct 28, 2017 17:44
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Bruegels Fuckbooks posted:I loved the look on his face at Cartman's "what do you know Kyle, you've never had a girlfriend!" What a burn. Phenotype posted:Didn't he have something with that one girl who wanted to wear his rear end as a hat?
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Oct 29, 2017 01:08
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JazzFlight posted:Unlike last week which was closer to classic SP, this episode just kinda sucked. I still don't know what they were really trying to say with the witch stuff. You could probably project a lot of current events onto it, so it just ended up vague. They also bring in Garrison/Trump and handle him with kid gloves (he ends up saving the day like a badass) and the Heidi poo poo with "girls be takin' forever to get ready, am I right guys???" is eye-rollingly dated, like they had a 90s stand-up comedian write that part. It's not about Heidi taking forever, it's about Cartman's reaction to it, and to her in general. He won't just loving ~sever~ even though he's been specifically told to. Squashy Nipples posted:OK, so who were the witches? I thought it was obvious at the end, but poking around the internet, everyone has their own take. It was definitely a little muddy because Trump/Garrison actually ended up being the good guy, but Trump specifically has referred to the Russian collusion investigation as a witch hunt. Bakeneko posted:Not every episode has to be satirizing a specific recent event. I assumed it was talking about modern witch-hunts in general, and how when one member of a group does something wrong, the rest will focus on trying to protect their own image rather than helping to deal with the bad apple. The "oh I forgot my bracelet" line had me bust out laughing, and Heidi in the bag at the very end was a nice touch. SLICK GOKU BABY posted:What if, now The message is unclear as far as I can tell, but it's clearly based on something, some current event(s). It's not just a random "witch hunt" episode with no relation to anything else. clown shoes posted:Kyle stealing Heidi would make Cartman even more evil than he already is and they should do that. Yeah I'm guessing maybe she ends up with Kyle, and actually appreciated by him, and pissing Cartman off even more.
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Oct 29, 2017 05:18
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Waltzing Along posted:I could see Heidi dumping Cartman, which would make him happy. But then she dates one of the other boys, maybe Kenny, and is still around all the time anyway. No, she dumped him and then he did the whole "threaten suicide" thing to get her back. Cartman wants to be with her even though it makes him miserable, and he's a lovely person blaming her for it.
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Oct 29, 2017 05:22
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Codependent Poster posted:No, she dumped him and then he did the whole "threaten suicide" thing to get her back. Cartman wants to be with her even though it makes him miserable, and he's a lovely person blaming her for it. No Cartman dumped her.
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Oct 29, 2017 07:23
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ChesterJT posted:It doesn't have to be a stereotype of a whole gender. Heidi is annoying to Cartman. But every woman would be annoying to Cartman. There really isn't anything deeper here than Cartman being a monster as usual.
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Oct 29, 2017 08:09
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This probably wasn't quite as good as the previous episode but still quite fun. I think while they were poking fun at Heidi, the real target was Cartman's terrible (and also quite stereotypical) behavior. He could've just said that they need to be there at a particular time to get the pumpkin but because he's a little bitch he just remains a passive aggressive rear end in a top hat and does nothing. Also the cool thing about witch pursuit... thing is that you can apply it to anything you want, e.g. mono posted:https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/924635359480303616
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Oct 29, 2017 15:38
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Atlas Hugged posted:But every woman would be annoying to Cartman. I don't think that's true at all. The things Heidi does annoys the hell out of him. It would annoy me too. Not every girl is Heidi.
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Oct 29, 2017 16:40
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ChesterJT posted:I don't think that's true at all. The things Heidi does annoys the hell out of him. It would annoy me too. Not every girl is Heidi. lol what. What has Heidi done beyond taking forever getting ready
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Oct 29, 2017 17:05
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Macaluso posted:lol what. What has Heidi done beyond taking forever getting ready Also, Heidi literally tells him how much time she needs to get ready. She is not the one with poor time management skills here.
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Oct 29, 2017 19:38
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21 Muns posted:Also, Heidi literally tells him how much time she needs to get ready. She is not the one with poor time management skills here. The running joke was that she was constantly saying she was ready and then oops one more thing! for half an hour. It's like you're not even watching the show.
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Oct 29, 2017 20:26
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ChesterJT posted:The running joke was that she was constantly saying she was ready and then oops one more thing! for half an hour. It's like you're not even watching the show. Cartman tells her what time he wants to go somewhere and she tells him she'll be there thirty minutes earlier so she can get ready.
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Oct 29, 2017 20:59
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21 Muns posted:Cartman tells her what time he wants to go somewhere and she tells him she'll be there thirty minutes earlier so she can get ready. No, she consistently underestimated her time requirements; "oh, should I wear a hoodie?" "should I go with the spider or the bat?" "oops I forgot my bracelet!" Things that you forget and subsequently remember are by definition not in your original time budget (unless you somehow knew exactly what you were going to forget & remember and budgeted for them.)
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Oct 29, 2017 21:05
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21 Muns posted:Cartman tells her what time he wants to go somewhere and she tells him she'll be there thirty minutes earlier so she can get ready. You took the time to bold that but not even read it. Remember how he wanted to be at the pumpkin patch early and instead got there very late? That was not part of the plan obviously. I'm not even sure you saw the last episode.
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Oct 29, 2017 22:04
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21 Muns posted:Cartman tells her what time he wants to go somewhere and she tells him she'll be there thirty minutes earlier so she can get ready. But then they were still late and had to take the shortcut through the woods. (I used bold italics underline to make my point stand out)
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Oct 30, 2017 03:34
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Not to mention the bit at the end where she was taking forever to get around to exiting the witch's magic bag. I think everyone knows someone exactly like this.
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Oct 30, 2017 04:16
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It's almost like this is a cartoon, she's not a real person, and this was a gag invented specifically for this episode. I'd be surprised if we even saw it again. The point is that Cartman has fixated on a single aspect of her personality that he can't stand and is willing to kill her before he breaks up with her over it. She even gives him the opportunity to talk about it like an adult but since he's an immature little poo poo he refuses. Yes, there are people like that in real life, but you find ways to deal with it rather than plot to have them murdered or sacrificed. Relationships are give and take and if this is her only negative characteristic, then it's hardly worth the scorn Cartman gives her for. Ultimately all Cartman wanted was to go to the pumpkin patch so he could get the best pumpkin. He didn't really care about spending time with her at all. She could have done anything and it would have pissed him off.
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Oct 30, 2017 10:42
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Atlas Hugged posted:She even gives him the opportunity to talk about it like an adult but since he's an immature little poo poo he refuses. They're children, and as you pointed out, in a cartoon. I thought Rick and Morty fans were ate up but yikes
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Oct 30, 2017 22:05
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ChesterJT posted:They're children, and as you pointed out, in a cartoon. This has to be the first time I've seen someone use "the characters on South Park are children" as unironic justification for their lovely behavior. The show is satire and derives, or initially derived, its humor from the fact that it puts children in completely absurd situations. Despite this, they're portrayed as the voice of reason on the show, save Cartman. Cartman is and always has been the show's main source of hatred and vitriol. I wouldn't dismiss his antisemitism just because he's a kid. I wouldn't downplay the fact that he tried to use suicide threats to manipulate people just because he's a kid. It seems weird to me that you guys are so invested in Cartman being justified in hating this one particular little girl. Like seriously, before he came up with his witch abduction-for-sacrifice scheme, he had plotted to ambush her in an abandoned department store and murder her. Because of a stereotypical relationship problem. And you guys are sympathizing with him, yikes.
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Oct 31, 2017 00:49
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Especially since their entire relationship is based on Cartman being a disingenuous shitheel. He has always used Heidi as a prop to demonstrate what a better person he is than everybody else. He's just losing that mask in a major way.
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Oct 31, 2017 01:25
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Season 16 has a really weird tone.
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Oct 31, 2017 08:03
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ChesterJT posted:They're children, and as you pointed out, in a cartoon. The South Park thread in TV IV gets pretty drat amusing at times. "What did they really mean when they killed kenny all those times?"
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Oct 31, 2017 09:03
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RatHat posted:Season 16 has a really weird tone. I know I watched all of it, but looking back at the episode titles and descriptions, there's so much I don't remember. Half the episodes I can vaguely remember thinking were okay, the other half I would almost think I didn't see at all, except I know I did.
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Oct 31, 2017 13:01
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Heidi is annoying. Cartman's reaction to that is hilarious. Cartman plotting her murder is over the top but in character with the lovely child in a cartoon he is. Hope this helps.
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Oct 31, 2017 14:15
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ChesterJT posted:Heidi is annoying. Cartman's reaction to that is hilarious. Cartman plotting her murder is over the top but in character with the lovely child in a cartoon he is. Hope this helps. Heidi's character is annoying because of a gag invented for the episode. She annoyed Cartman well before this shocking "reveal". You're trying to project on this show.
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Oct 31, 2017 14:28
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Wasn't the whole point of Heidi, in the first place, a reaction to Ghostbusters 2016 promotional BS?
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Oct 31, 2017 14:42
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Heidi is pretty much an extension of Cartman's new performative wokeness as a woman he can constantly praise and kowtow to, of course he's going to start burning up with rage when the fad wears off and he's stuck in a relationship where he's been pretending to be something he's not.
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Oct 31, 2017 14:55
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Inescapable Duck posted:Heidi is pretty much an extension of Cartman's new performative wokeness as a woman he can constantly praise and kowtow to, of course he's going to start burning up with rage when the fad wears off and he's stuck in a relationship where he's been pretending to be something he's not. Pretty much. It doesn't really matter at all what Heidi is like. As soon as she paid attention to Butters, Cartman hated her.
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Oct 31, 2017 15:06
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Atlas Hugged posted:Heidi's character is annoying because of a gag invented for the episode. She annoyed Cartman well before this shocking "reveal". You're trying to project on this show. lighten up Francis
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