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Dans Macabre: Apr 24, 2004

Juchero posted:

this an extremely town tantrum to throw, love it

because 1. it's not always true and 2. that is far beyond your only crime

i agree that trying to rouse lurkers to post can help town, but everything else you're doing makes it stink of scum as well

Other �crimes� cited: d1 shitposting and saying that I�m town.

Look at anyone�s d1 posts here they are all terrible.

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# ? Apr 27, 2024 20:58

Juchero: Feb 15, 2008; Wedge Regret

jon joe posted:

He didn�t even respond properly. Notice all his posts before his �claim� where he�s just wasting space calling himself town.

ugh i think you're right but my feeling on nevergirls is a lot stronger

speaking of

NevergirlsOFFICIAL posted:

Other “crimes” cited: d1 shitposting and saying that I’m town.

Look at anyone’s d1 posts here they are all terrible.

yeah, but usually they're better on day 2

yours are terrible, and i explained why pretty succinctly

your absolute lack of any kind of content behind your votes and posting, while still trying to push an early loving turbo when town is still talking about poo poo, is why you are absolute scum

# ? Nov 1, 2017 17:48

b-minus1: Jul 24, 2008; She's a maniac, maniac
on the floor
And she's dancing like she's never danced before

It is possible that both Sal and Nevergirls are town, and we are falling victim to tunneling town players.

# ? Nov 1, 2017 17:59

Emmideer: Oct 20, 2011; Lovely night, no?; Grimey Drawer

b-minus1 posted:

It is possible that both Sal and Nevergirls are town, and we are falling victim to tunneling town players.

Yes.

It�s also technically possible that this game contains six SKs and only one real NK

Is there something in particular that makes you think they�re both town?

# ? Nov 1, 2017 18:02

b-minus1: Jul 24, 2008; She's a maniac, maniac
on the floor
And she's dancing like she's never danced before

jon joe posted:

Yes.

It�s also technically possible that this game contains six SKs and only one real NK

Is there something in particular that makes you think they�re both town?

I am starting to think Sal is being sincere. and I'm not entirely convinced nevergirls is scum, but it could be because i read them as town prior to juchero's case.

but what im really beginning to question is the (lack of) contribution from YT, Chic, PMush and Asiina, in that order. I don't have time to break it down, but I'll be able to highlight some posts that I find suspicious.

For now, I will ##unvote

# ? Nov 1, 2017 18:09

Asiina: Apr 26, 2011; No going back; Grimey Drawer

##vote Sal

I'm with JJ.

# ? Nov 1, 2017 19:08

Asiina: Apr 26, 2011; No going back; Grimey Drawer

Li Dawny posted:

Non game related post ahead!

Thank you love. We got married August of last year, if you look hard enough in the backlog of that time you may be able to find some pictures of the day.

I didn't realize it was only a year in August that's crazy!!

# ? Nov 1, 2017 19:08

Asiina: Apr 26, 2011; No going back; Grimey Drawer

Also I think votes for Nevergirls aren't counting?

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Dans Macabre: Apr 24, 2004

Asiina posted:

Also I think votes for Nevergirls aren't counting?

😅

# ? Nov 1, 2017 19:12

SalTheBard: Jan 26, 2005; I forgot to post my food for USPOL Thanksgiving but that's okay too!; Fallen Rib

## vote NevergirlsOFFICIAL

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Li Dawny: Apr 14, 2013

Asiina posted:

Also I think votes for Nevergirls aren't counting?

Is Nevergirls set as an alias for them in VF?

# ? Nov 1, 2017 19:18

Dans Macabre: Apr 24, 2004

Li Dawny posted:

Is Nevergirls set as an alias for them in VF?

I should be set as an alias however a few years ago we did a namechange switcharoo in yospos and some poor bastard got the original nevergirls username.

# ? Nov 1, 2017 19:56

Dans Macabre: Apr 24, 2004

until votefinder is fixed I did a ctrl+ and looks like these are the people voting for me

sal
juchero

Sal is voting for me because he's scum easy peasy

Juchero - low content and claiming town is all you got on me. There are several others who can claim the "low content" award before me, I'd invite you to look at them. Consider dancer and chic trombone for instance.

# ? Nov 1, 2017 20:01

Juchero: Feb 15, 2008; Wedge Regret

NevergirlsOFFICIAL posted:

until votefinder is fixed I did a ctrl+ and looks like these are the people voting for me

Juchero - low content and claiming town is all you got on me. There are several others who can claim the "low content" award before me, I'd invite you to look at them. Consider dancer and chic trombone for instance.

looool you still haven't addressed the last time I said those weren't what made truly scummy

but thank you, trying to revise history like this hoping town doesn't pay attention is a nice addition to the evidence mounting before you

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b-minus1: Jul 24, 2008; She's a maniac, maniac
on the floor
And she's dancing like she's never danced before

Asiina posted:

##vote Sal

I'm with JJ.

do you think nevergirls is suspicious?

# ? Nov 1, 2017 20:08

Asiina: Apr 26, 2011; No going back; Grimey Drawer

Not really.

He just came from a game where scum lurked to hell, I'm not surprised he's looking for lurking scum.

Also D2 isn't bad to start looking at lurkers. I'll look at lurkers D1 these days. Nothing is sacred.

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Dans Macabre: Apr 24, 2004

Juchero posted:

looool you still haven't addressed the last time I said those weren't what made truly scummy

but thank you, trying to revise history like this hoping town doesn't pay attention is a nice addition to the evidence mounting before you

is this what you're talking about?:

Juchero posted:

your absolute lack of any kind of content behind your votes and posting, while still trying to push an early loving turbo when town is still talking about poo poo, is why you are absolute scum

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Dans Macabre: Apr 24, 2004

Asiina posted:

Not really.

He just came from a game where scum lurked to hell, I'm not surprised he's looking for lurking scum.

Also D2 isn't bad to start looking at lurkers. I'll look at lurkers D1 these days. Nothing is sacred.

see? reasonable person.

# ? Nov 1, 2017 20:18

b-minus1: Jul 24, 2008; She's a maniac, maniac
on the floor
And she's dancing like she's never danced before

Maybe I'm overthinking things and Sal is scum.

If we lynch Sal and he flips scum, then we should take a hard look at Dancer, PMush and Chic trombone.
If we lynch Sal and he flips town, then I'm not sure what to think.

# ? Nov 1, 2017 20:24

Juchero: Feb 15, 2008; Wedge Regret

NevergirlsOFFICIAL posted:

is this what you're talking about?:

yes, absolutely, especially since you still haven't addressed that, the single thing that turned me onto you as scum

Juchero posted:

this post has awoken me from my post-move torpor, hungry for scum blood

if i've ever seen a loving scum flag flying higher and harder than this bad post, then i must have amnesia because wow golly loving gosh

before i delve into your history and tear it apart, as sparse as it is, let me state this emphatically: there is no less towny of a move than calling for a turbo while we're still in discussion. it has no benefit to town whatsoever.

vote pending a FULL investigation by my crack CSI team

oh and asiina, don't think your sudden appearance and defense of nevergirls has gone unnoticed

here's my current S.C.U.M. rating board

1(1). NEVERGIRLSOFFICIAL
2(3). ASIINA
3(2). SAL

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Dans Macabre: Apr 24, 2004

Juchero posted:

yes, absolutely, especially since you still haven't addressed that, the single thing that turned me onto you as scum

Here's me addressing it: I've IDed scum, I want to lynch scum. You are making mountains out of mole hills.

quote:

here's my current S.C.U.M. rating board

1(1). NEVERGIRLSOFFICIAL
2(3). ASIINA
3(2). SAL

man I cannot wait for that new av

# ? Nov 1, 2017 20:44

Chic Trombone: Jul 25, 2010

NevergirlsOFFICIAL posted:

Here's me addressing it: I've IDed scum, I want to lynch scum. You are making mountains out of mole hills.

man I cannot wait for that new av

Yo out of curiosity do you have any cases outside of lurker cases

# ? Nov 1, 2017 20:49

Chic Trombone: Jul 25, 2010

Also still feeling JonJoe but less surely than last night in light of his posting today

# ? Nov 1, 2017 20:53

Juchero: Feb 15, 2008; Wedge Regret

NevergirlsOFFICIAL posted:

Here's me addressing it: I've IDed scum, I want to lynch scum. You are making mountains out of mole hills.

man I cannot wait for that new av

you haven't identified poo poo

give me one reason besides "he's a lurker" that we should end the day early and lynch sal, that someone else hasn't already elucidated better, and i will switch my vote from you to sal immediately, that is how sure i am that you are scum and must die

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Emmideer: Oct 20, 2011; Lovely night, no?; Grimey Drawer

Chic Trombone posted:

Also still feeling JonJoe but less surely than last night in light of his posting today

Why don�t you clarify what you mean because it�s IMO pretty suspicious for you to come out with this big case against me, I give you a joke response, and after no one else is willing to vote me you�re distancing yourself without looking into another person. That reads to me like scum without a real opinion.

# ? Nov 1, 2017 20:58

b-minus1: Jul 24, 2008; She's a maniac, maniac
on the floor
And she's dancing like she's never danced before

haha what if juchero is a scum cop, visited me last night, and claimed to boost town cred

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Natural 20: Sep 17, 2007; Wearer of Compasses. Slayer of Gods. Champion of the Colosseum. Heart of the Void.
Saviour of Hallownest.

Chic Trombone posted:

Yeah I can see Sal as newbie scum, but otoh I feel like their scumbuds would be yelling at them to post differently or shut up by now so I'm not 100% on it

So I was harsh on Sal for not contributing.

His continued content is this:

SalTheBard posted:

YT you can advocate voting for me that's fine. I'm 100% town though. I agree with your point that having someone investigate me to determine I'm telling the truth is fine. If you want another townie to due vote for me, if you want to work to eliminate scum vote for someone else. I'm not good at defending myself here so I don't know what else to say. Kill a lurker before me is all I ask.

SalTheBard posted:

So looking at still living players who DIDN'T vote for Hal:
Jon Joe, Asiina, Dance, and Juchero

I feel confident in saying that there was obviously scum that voted for Hal (as is the nature of the game), but I'm going to ignore that for now. Based off the of the amount of posts we have JJ (28), Asiina (28), Dancer (9), and Juchero (18). When I was playing my last game I was scum and I attempted to post enough to stay active, but not enough to have my name constantly out there so that's why I'm leaning towards Juchero. I'm fine accepting my fate if people want to vote for me, but I'm town.

##Vote Juchero

SalTheBard posted:

Gun to my head: Juchero, JJ and Nevergirls.
I didn't find anything on the wiki so I'm sorry I'm not sure what hard claiming means.

Dancer pointed out that it would be extremely weird for someone to claim cop on N2. While I don't know that for sure I'm inclined to agree with them, which makes Jucheros post even stranger now that I've thought about it.

I get that everyone plays differently. I'm just looking at what I would do if I was in this situation. You guys do have a lot of posts but thats not a bad thing. loving hell I wish I had as many posts as you guys do!

SalTheBard posted:

##unvote Juchero

##vote Nevergirls

Juchero when you lay it out like that I think you are on to something. I'm hoping this isn't scum tactic to vote a townie but Nevergirls was already on my radar as well.

I claim Vanilla Town. I don't have any special role.

So there's at least an attempt to engage at this point and when asked he comes up with scum calls. This is significantly better than before, but it's also content that's come out because of absolutely constant pressure so I don't credit it too much.

The main odd thing is the really sudden switch on Juchero from thinking the guy's scum to believing in his tell. In fairness, Juchero made a pretty good post so I can at least believe the switch as a plausibly town one.

Here's what I think. Either Sal is flailing town who doesn't really know how to defend himself, but honestly, when they were coaxed out of him, he's got some reasonable opinions on basic scumhunting, so I don't buy necessarily that he doesn't.

Or, and I rate this as more likely, Sal is scum with a scumteam of people who are lurking or afk. He comes under pressure and doesn't really know how to respond as a scum player other than saying "I'm town," and eventually his scumbuds show up and suggest getting on the Nevergirls train to deflect off of himself.

A Sal flip gives us insight into Asiina (based on her D1 call), myself (based on my call today) as well as potentially lurking players, so I think he's good information. That said I believe him to be more plausibly townie than he was.

Still insufficient to move my vote.

I'll look into the nevergirls case in a bit.

# ? Nov 1, 2017 21:09

Asiina: Apr 26, 2011; No going back; Grimey Drawer

I've made calls in this game?

# ? Nov 1, 2017 21:23

Natural 20: Sep 17, 2007; Wearer of Compasses. Slayer of Gods. Champion of the Colosseum. Heart of the Void.
Saviour of Hallownest.

Asiina posted:

I've made calls in this game?

As I recall you noted that Sal was scum D1?

Asiina posted:

##vote Sal would also vote YT. I have determined that CPig is also town in this game along with me and Hal.

I have yet to make a decision on the rest of you.

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Li Dawny: Apr 14, 2013

Asiina posted:

I've made calls in this game?

You and I had an entire back and forth about your calls, it was one of the reasons I pushed the idea of you as scum.

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Chic Trombone: Jul 25, 2010

jon joe posted:

Why don�t you clarify what you mean because it�s IMO pretty suspicious for you to come out with this big case against me, I give you a joke response, and after no one else is willing to vote me you�re distancing yourself without looking into another person. That reads to me like scum without a real opinion.

I mean I'm less sure you're scum than I was last night? I've been at work my guy, not all of us have jobs where we can post to our heart's delight all the livelong day

also i've commented on a couple other people sooo

# ? Nov 1, 2017 23:13

Chic Trombone: Jul 25, 2010

To elaborate further my case was "this guy's posts are vapid and mostly contentless" and you've produced content i agree with today so I'm re-evaluating you in light of that

# ? Nov 1, 2017 23:16

b-minus1: Jul 24, 2008; She's a maniac, maniac
on the floor
And she's dancing like she's never danced before

##vote Salthebard

# ? Nov 1, 2017 23:55

SalTheBard: Jan 26, 2005; I forgot to post my food for USPOL Thanksgiving but that's okay too!; Fallen Rib

Can I vote for myself just to get it over with?

# ? Nov 2, 2017 00:07

b-minus1: Jul 24, 2008; She's a maniac, maniac
on the floor
And she's dancing like she's never danced before

Whoa we still have another day.

##unvote

# ? Nov 2, 2017 00:08

Dans Macabre: Apr 24, 2004

I think juchero is just trying their hardest to make today about your pal nevergirls rather than about their scumbuddy sal

# ? Nov 2, 2017 00:18

SalTheBard: Jan 26, 2005; I forgot to post my food for USPOL Thanksgiving but that's okay too!; Fallen Rib

NevergirlsOFFICIAL posted:

I think juchero is just trying their hardest to make today about your pal nevergirls rather than about their scumbuddy sal

When I turn out to be town remember this post and lynch Never please.

# ? Nov 2, 2017 00:39

SalTheBard: Jan 26, 2005; I forgot to post my food for USPOL Thanksgiving but that's okay too!; Fallen Rib

NevergirlsOFFICIAL posted:

I think juchero is just trying their hardest to make today about your pal nevergirls rather than about their scumbuddy sal

This post might as well say :siren:

I'M SCUM

. Please promise me that when it's revealed I'm being honest please kill Never next.

# ? Nov 2, 2017 00:50

Dancer: May 23, 2011

Yorkshire Tea posted:

So I was harsh on Sal for not contributing.

His continued content is this:

So there's at least an attempt to engage at this point and when asked he comes up with scum calls. This is significantly better than before, but it's also content that's come out because of absolutely constant pressure so I don't credit it too much.

The main odd thing is the really sudden switch on Juchero from thinking the guy's scum to believing in his tell. In fairness, Juchero made a pretty good post so I can at least believe the switch as a plausibly town one.

Here's what I think. Either Sal is flailing town who doesn't really know how to defend himself, but honestly, when they were coaxed out of him, he's got some reasonable opinions on basic scumhunting, so I don't buy necessarily that he doesn't.

Or, and I rate this as more likely, Sal is scum with a scumteam of people who are lurking or afk. He comes under pressure and doesn't really know how to respond as a scum player other than saying "I'm town," and eventually his scumbuds show up and suggest getting on the Nevergirls train to deflect off of himself.

A Sal flip gives us insight into Asiina (based on her D1 call), myself (based on my call today) as well as potentially lurking players, so I think he's good information. That said I believe him to be more plausibly townie than he was.

Still insufficient to move my vote.

I'll look into the nevergirls case in a bit.

I get that this is making me suspect because I'm "his scumbud showing up and gettting on the Nevergirls train" but I feel this is worth pointing out... Is Sal really the *most* suspect? We have potential fairly suspect people:

Nevergirls
Chic Trombone (weirdly against Jon Joe for little apparent reason)
Juchero (weird cop behaviour, thogh he has made some salient contributions since).

Positions may differ, but I would argue that from any perspective at least one of those three is comparatively more suspect than Sal. My suspicion is on Nevergirls (and, personally, I find Juchero *less* suspect than Sal). You argue that a Sal flip gives us a lot information, which may be true. But if we lynch another townie today, we will (presumably) be dangerously close to scum guaranteed victory. I'd rather aim for a more likely immediate scum flip than a flip that gives info for a future we may not live to see.

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Dans Macabre: Apr 24, 2004

alright I'm gonna think about htis a little more ## unvote

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