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Synthbuttrange: May 6, 2007

Notch is lazy

# ? Nov 12, 2017 03:21

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# ? Apr 29, 2024 06:39

Internet Kraken: Apr 24, 2010; slightly amused

Jordan7hm posted:

Uh.

Why would he not just arrange to do all that anyway and cut out the indiegogo middle man?

Notch has a broken brain.

# ? Nov 12, 2017 03:24

RyokoTK: Feb 12, 2012; I am cool.

pumpinglemma posted:

The big issue here is that Indiegogo didn't actually tell anyone there was a limit on pledges. If Biskup had known about the $10,000 limit he'd probably have made that tier $10,000.

OK yeah I misunderstood the problem somehow, it's a reward for a single donator obviously, I'm an idiot.

Notch is also an idiot though, but not specifically for this.

# ? Nov 12, 2017 03:51

Samizdata: May 14, 2007

Jordan7hm posted:

Uh.

Why would he not just arrange to do all that anyway and cut out the indiegogo middle man?

Or, you know, get the 10K up front, and make arrangements to pick up the remaining 40K in person?

# ? Nov 12, 2017 07:40

Zeerust: May 1, 2008; They must have guessed, once or twice - guessed and refused to believe - that everything, always, collectively, had been moving toward that purified shape latent in the sky, that shape of no surprise, no second chance, no return.

On the upside, it meant not having to spend a weekend with Notch.

# ? Nov 12, 2017 08:02

Synthbuttrange: May 6, 2007

Zeerust posted:

On the upside, it meant not having to spend a weekend with Notch.

Yeah that was a lucky break

# ? Nov 12, 2017 08:07

vorebane: Feb 2, 2009; "I like Ur and Kavodel and Enki being nice to people for some reason."

Wrong Voter amongst wrong voters

Surely Notch could just pledge 10k 5 times? At worst he'd have to create 4 extra accounts.

# ? Nov 12, 2017 08:07

Black August: Sep 28, 2003

Notch clearly just wanted the code and I find it hilarious someone called Biskup out on his bluff but was too lazy to actually bother following through when it became a hassle

# ? Nov 12, 2017 08:56

TOOT BOOT: May 25, 2010

I'm curious what's going to get revealed in this future of ADOM talk. It would be nice if we got a graphical ADOM II or something.

# ? Nov 12, 2017 10:03

Roobanguy: May 31, 2011

SettingSun posted:

Once you get into it LCS is very fun and hilarious. There's a chance (or you can start a game in this state) that the issue of free speech is turned ultra conservative. In that state, the fire department becomes the Firemen, jerks armed with flamethrowers tasked with dealing with unacceptable speech a la Fahrenheit 451. There's also a UI change: Anytime the game has to describe something vaguely vulgar (such as what you say when seducing someone) it will be censored.

"Hey how about you and I [go watch a G Rated movie]?
"Oh my god."

This also applies to the otherwise graphic descriptions of combat.

my favorite is still

"[What Church do you go to?]"
"[Your Church.]"

or when you get most policies liberal and try to recruit people, and your dudes basically go "So uh, we don't use nuclear power anymore but its still pretty bad you know?"

Roobanguy fucked around with this message at 11:20 on Nov 12, 2017

# ? Nov 12, 2017 11:17

Dire Lemming: Jan 19, 2016; If you don't coddle ~~Nazis~~ flat Earthers then you're literally as bad as them.

I've tried to get into LCS multiple times but every time I get bored trying to recruit people, it's just such a slog finding recruits, grinding persuasion/seduction on every member and trying to find recruits with decent stats. Especially since I have no real sense of what decent stats are. Is 10 decent or amazing? Someone with 10 disguise and 10 stealth seems to be pretty much invisible but a person with 10 in tailoring still has plenty of things they can't make. Finally it seems like it's really hard to specialise people, most roles seem to need decent stats all around. If I'm making a group of sneaky knife or pistol users they'll need; high agility for stealth and combat, high charisma for disguise and to recruit replacements, one of them will need high intelligence for security and maybe computers, high heart/low wisdom is useful if they get captured and decent health is important if they want to survive more than 1 round in combat. So for this theoretical squad I'd need at least one recruit with good stats in everything but strength, and the rest everything but strength and intelligence.

How do people handle this, are you guys just really patient or do you just throw sweatshop workers into the meatgrinder and let levels take care of low stats?

# ? Nov 12, 2017 12:22

Slime: Jan 3, 2007

Abuse teaching, basically. If you have someone with good skills send them to education classes, then when they have like 4 points in teaching have them teach their skills to other members. Pretty soon every member will be good at everything.

# ? Nov 12, 2017 13:33

stoicheian: Aug 10, 2007

Mad Fnorder posted:

Cogmind Question: If I end up skipping floors because of a branch, do I end up getting credit for the evolutions I could have gotten? Not that I survived...

Went into caves into Zion at -9, when I came out into Proximity Caves I was in -6 with only one upgrade, and not earning one on the transition. I got surrounded by Arks and swiftly murdered before I could find an exit.

Yeah you will get several evolutions in a row when you return to the main path.

# ? Nov 12, 2017 14:24

ExiledTinkerer: Nov 4, 2009

I dimly recall all the IGG/Notch intrigue from back in the day, save perhaps this many details---that the rules at the time locked Biskup into IGG's quasi-competence as opposed to KS has long been something for their exasperation backlog.

So many archive talks to start watching....can't wait~

# ? Nov 12, 2017 14:32

Jedit: Dec 10, 2011; Proudly supporting vanilla legends 1994-2014

Zeerust posted:

On the upside, it meant not having to spend a weekend with Notch.

What's wrong with Notch? The only knowledge I have of him as a real life person is second hand from a streamer I know who got full Twitch partnership despite not meeting the requirements because Notch vouched for him.

# ? Nov 12, 2017 14:46

Dire Lemming: Jan 19, 2016; If you don't coddle ~~Nazis~~ flat Earthers then you're literally as bad as them.

Slime posted:

Abuse teaching, basically. If you have someone with good skills send them to education classes, then when they have like 4 points in teaching have them teach their skills to other members. Pretty soon every member will be good at everything.

I don't have any problem raising skills, it's finding people with good stats/knowing what good stats are that I have trouble with.

# ? Nov 12, 2017 14:48

StrixNebulosa: Feb 14, 2012; You cheated not only the game, but yourself.
But most of all, you cheated BABA

Jedit posted:

What's wrong with Notch? The only knowledge I have of him as a real life person is second hand from a streamer I know who got full Twitch partnership despite not meeting the requirements because Notch vouched for him.

As I understand it, Notch is a gamergater or something like that.

# ? Nov 12, 2017 15:10

Angry Diplomat: Nov 7, 2009; Winner of the TSR Memorial Award for Excellence In Grogging

Yeah he's a massive fedora and an absolutely intolerable smuglord on social media. IIRC the dude built a mansion containing a wall full of candy machines like you'd see at a candy store, and most of the candy in them went stale because he's such an unbearable dick that nobody wanted to come to his mansion and eat his candy lmao

# ? Nov 12, 2017 15:15

pumpinglemma: Apr 28, 2009; DD: Fondly regard abomination.

Jedit posted:

What's wrong with Notch? The only knowledge I have of him as a real life person is second hand from a streamer I know who got full Twitch partnership despite not meeting the requirements because Notch vouched for him.

Direct Twitter quote: "If you're against the concept of a #HeterosexualPrideDay, you're a complete loving oval office and deserve to be shot."

# ? Nov 12, 2017 15:21

Jeza: Feb 13, 2011; The cries of the dead are terrible indeed; you should try not to hear them.

Goonspeed Notch, king of the neckbeards, lord of the fedoras.

# ? Nov 12, 2017 15:27

ToxicFrog: Apr 26, 2008

So I'm considering adding a savescum command to doomrl-server, and I wanted to bounce the design off this thread.

- When you restore a game (which destroys the save file), a backup is made, identified by the name of the game and the date at which it was saved. There's a limit on the number of backups stored (10?) and the oldest ones are pruned.
- If you have any backups, the savescum <name> <date> command becomes available.
- Using that command restores the game (as if with the play command). Any game in progress with that name is overwritten (or perhaps you just aren't allowed to use it in that case). The restored game is flagged as savescummed.
- Savescummed games are still recorded, but appear on a separate leaderboard and do not contribute towards in-game unlocks (i.e. they are not allowed to modify player.wad). An additional line is written to the mortem (and possibly to the ttyrec?) noting that the game was savescummed.

You still need to manually save and exit to create a restore point, since DoomRL doesn't have any sort of mid-game autosave, but this opens the door to people experimenting with weird and/or unreasonably difficult play without cluttering up the main scoreboard.

# ? Nov 12, 2017 15:29

StrixNebulosa: Feb 14, 2012; You cheated not only the game, but yourself.
But most of all, you cheated BABA

ToxicFrog posted:

So I'm considering adding a savescum command to doomrl-server, and I wanted to bounce the design off this thread.

- When you restore a game (which destroys the save file), a backup is made, identified by the name of the game and the date at which it was saved. There's a limit on the number of backups stored (10?) and the oldest ones are pruned.
- If you have any backups, the savescum <name> <date> command becomes available.
- Using that command restores the game (as if with the play command). Any game in progress with that name is overwritten (or perhaps you just aren't allowed to use it in that case). The restored game is flagged as savescummed.
- Savescummed games are still recorded, but appear on a separate leaderboard and do not contribute towards in-game unlocks (i.e. they are not allowed to modify player.wad). An additional line is written to the mortem (and possibly to the ttyrec?) noting that the game was savescummed.

You still need to manually save and exit to create a restore point, since DoomRL doesn't have any sort of mid-game autosave, but this opens the door to people experimenting with weird and/or unreasonably difficult play without cluttering up the main scoreboard.

Sounds good to me! Giving players more options is like, the best thing.

Evidence: Caves of Qud, Dungeonmans, Dredmor's character creation options

# ? Nov 12, 2017 16:20

Harminoff: Oct 24, 2005; ð½

Angry Diplomat posted:

Yeah he's a massive fedora and an absolutely intolerable smuglord on social media. IIRC the dude built a mansion containing a wall full of candy machines like you'd see at a candy store, and most of the candy in them went stale because he's such an unbearable dick that nobody wanted to come to his mansion and eat his candy lmao

He didn't build anything, he bought it and it came with the candy wall. He actually outbid jayz on it lol. You can see pictures of the candy wall on the realtors original listing.

http://1181northhillcrest.com

# ? Nov 12, 2017 17:17

Black August: Sep 28, 2003

ADOM 3.0 out for the prerelease people. Has a new ending a shitload of new artifacts and maps apparently. Interested to see how different the game is with that much balance-teetering stuff thrown in at once. Also want to see how they handled the new ending from how they originally planned it - if it's the same, then I'm going to be dumb and proud that I accidentally recreated it for the 'ending' of my first game in the setting.

# ? Nov 12, 2017 19:07

Tibbeh: Apr 5, 2010

So Caves of Qud looks really fun but also a bit intimidating for a new player. Anyone got any tips for playing it?

# ? Nov 12, 2017 20:01

tombom: Mar 8, 2006

What version of LCS do people play? Looking at the wiki after 4.07 (which seems a few years old) it's really confusing what the preferred version is and where you download it.

# ? Nov 12, 2017 20:04

SettingSun: Aug 10, 2013

tombom posted:

What version of LCS do people play? Looking at the wiki after 4.07 (which seems a few years old) it's really confusing what the preferred version is and where you download it.

I play 4.10 which you can get out of GitHub

# ? Nov 12, 2017 20:24

Mithross: Apr 27, 2011; Intelligent and bright, they explored a world that was new and strange to them. They liked it, they thought - a whole world just for them! They were dimly aware that a God had created them, was watching them; they called out to him, thanking him in a chittering language, before running off.

ADOM talk: is there an option to disable the game constantly telling me (incorrectly) what actions I should take? No I don't want to pray for PP after casting one spell

# ? Nov 12, 2017 20:34

Kobold Sex Tape: Feb 17, 2011

so some of the new adom artifacts are pretty strong

lol thanks for the resist and the immunity i guess

Kobold Sex Tape fucked around with this message at 20:38 on Nov 12, 2017

# ? Nov 12, 2017 20:34

Kobold Sex Tape: Feb 17, 2011

Mithross posted:

ADOM talk: is there an option to disable the game constantly telling me (incorrectly) what actions I should take? No I don't want to pray for PP after casting one spell

yeah. hit = and gently caress with the game option that says something like "dumbass messages for newbs" or w/e. it's super annoying.

e: "Show newbie advice" is what you want to disable.

# ? Nov 12, 2017 20:35

Mithross: Apr 27, 2011; Intelligent and bright, they explored a world that was new and strange to them. They liked it, they thought - a whole world just for them! They were dimly aware that a God had created them, was watching them; they called out to him, thanking him in a chittering language, before running off.

Kobold Sex Tape posted:

yeah. hit = and gently caress with the game option that says something like "dumbass messages for newbs" or w/e. it's super annoying.

e: "Show newbie advice" is what you want to disable.

I tried that one. Turns out the answer was to set "Number of uses of command to hide quick hint" to 0.

Otherwise you have to pray 10 times before it stops telling you to pray anytime you don't have max PP.

Biskup!

# ? Nov 12, 2017 20:40

Black August: Sep 28, 2003

I did that and it STILL shows hints for everything endlessly

Also fukken LOOOOL at Serpent�s Bite x10 there and Ring of Immunity Scale Mail

Good loving bye tenuous balance

# ? Nov 12, 2017 20:44

Kobold Sex Tape: Feb 17, 2011

Mithross posted:

I tried that one. Turns out the answer was to set "Number of uses of command to hide quick hint" to 0.

Otherwise you have to pray 10 times before it stops telling you to pray anytime you don't have max PP.

Biskup!

welp. biskup!!!

wonder what the hell the option i disabled does

code:

potion belt [+0, +1]

Protects potions from item destruction.

sick

Kobold Sex Tape fucked around with this message at 20:50 on Nov 12, 2017

# ? Nov 12, 2017 20:45

Kobold Sex Tape: Feb 17, 2011

Black August posted:

I did that and it STILL shows hints for everything endlessly

Also fukken LOOOOL at Serpent�s Bite x10 there and Ring of Immunity Scale Mail

Good loving bye tenuous balance

look at this poo poo lmao

though it may be a mega-artifact you complete a quest to get and not a random drop. folks are still mem-editing poo poo to see what it is right now, not getting it legit.

statline for one of the new angel monsters: DV: 80, PV: 70 HP:1000. mmmaybe the new artifacts wont be completely gamebreaking

Kobold Sex Tape fucked around with this message at 21:10 on Nov 12, 2017

# ? Nov 12, 2017 21:02

SolidSnakesBandana: Jul 1, 2007; Infinite ammo

Tibbeh posted:

So Caves of Qud looks really fun but also a bit intimidating for a new player. Anyone got any tips for playing it?

I suggest asking in the thread for a newbie build. I'm phone posting or I would link it. 90% of the newbie barrier is coming up with a decent build that allows you to not die immediately, and a new player has no way of knowing what is effective and useful.

# ? Nov 12, 2017 21:55

Samizdata: May 14, 2007

Angry Diplomat posted:

Yeah he's a massive fedora and an absolutely intolerable smuglord on social media. IIRC the dude built a mansion containing a wall full of candy machines like you'd see at a candy store, and most of the candy in them went stale because he's such an unbearable dick that nobody wanted to come to his mansion and eat his candy lmao

As I remember, he didn't build it, he bought it. I remember seeing a weird porny style advert for the house.

# ? Nov 12, 2017 22:00

girl dick energy: Sep 30, 2009; You think you have the wherewithal to figure out my puzzle vagina?

Notch is the JonTron of game developers.

# ? Nov 12, 2017 22:16

Jeza: Feb 13, 2011; The cries of the dead are terrible indeed; you should try not to hear them.

Caves of Qud isn't intimidating at all. You'll get the hang of it very quickly.

# ? Nov 12, 2017 22:33

Internet Kraken: Apr 24, 2010; slightly amused

Calling Notch a game dev is funny given he hasn't produced anything in years and appears to have given up on anything other than twitter shitposting.

# ? Nov 12, 2017 22:50

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# ? Apr 29, 2024 06:39

Black August: Sep 28, 2003

Kobold Sex Tape posted:

look at this poo poo lmao

though it may be a mega-artifact you complete a quest to get and not a random drop. folks are still mem-editing poo poo to see what it is right now, not getting it legit.

statline for one of the new angel monsters: DV: 80, PV: 70 HP:1000. mmmaybe the new artifacts wont be completely gamebreaking

Holy gently caress Vanquisher++ the whip these are so player-made garbage items

No that angel is barely more than Balors and Molochs, that does not need a slay-all ultra item unless he intends for us to murder the entire pantheon

# ? Nov 12, 2017 23:12

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