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Shrimp or Shrimps posted:Yes, Gigabyte used to include a program in their software suite that auto-run at startup called "emptyproject11.exe". It kept the dGPU permanently engaged to stop the Optimus-switching causing stutters. The thing is, it destroys battery life for obvious reasons. Correct me if I'm wrong, but it sounds like the problem you guys are having is a slight delay where Optimus hands control from the iGPU to the dGPU when Windows calls any sort of 3D effect? If that's indeed the issue, it's probably an unavoidable side effect of Optimus rather than a hardware or software issue. That would explain why you don't see this when only using a single GPU. Would disabling the Aero or related 3D effects in Windows ameliorate the situation? Pompadour Diamond posted:Sorry for responding over a month later, lots of bad coincidences. If you've begun having display issues, it may be time to move on; at the very least those sorts of problems are difficult to diagnose over the Internet, and could be anything from a loose cable to failing hardware. On an old machine like that I'd say "gently caress it" before spending an excessive amount of time trying to diagnose let alone repair some weird monitor hardware problem. You could certainly back up your stuff (always a good idea!) and reinstall an OS, either Win7 or you can give Win10 a try with the same key, to see if maybe there's some driver/software issue. Considering their current prices, I'd hesitate to invest in the RAM/SSD upgrades unless you had another use for them should the laptop be on its way out. You'd end up spending $100+ compared with the few hundred more you could've spent on a newer Thinkpad.
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Nitrousoxide posted:Was looking through slick deals and came across an upcoming black Friday sale on the HP Spectre 360. Has anyone had any experience with this device? CEO got one a few months ago and she really likes it. Replaced the ASUS 13" MacBook Air knockoff
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Atomizer posted:Correct me if I'm wrong, but it sounds like the problem you guys are having is a slight delay where Optimus hands control from the iGPU to the dGPU when Windows calls any sort of 3D effect? If that's indeed the issue, it's probably an unavoidable side effect of Optimus rather than a hardware or software issue. That would explain why you don't see this when only using a single GPU. Would disabling the Aero or related 3D effects in Windows ameliorate the situation? That is the issue, although I'd call it more than a slight delay. It's avoidable as I had zero issues in the anniversary update but the fall creators update brought them all on. I did try disabling those with no help to the problem. I'm curious Shrimps did the regedit fix help you at all? I am hopeful that at least Intel is supposedly debugging the issue now.
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Yea I had the same problem with a slight delay with right clicking and opening the file explorer of all things. I think what solved it was turning off Windows transparency effects and maybe something else to do with Aero. Glad it's a known issue and not just a hardware thing on my end.
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Prescription Combs posted:Any specific reason you're not using a dedicated workstation for the heavy lifting and then a nice portable laptop? I do not like to use two machines. I like to carry my work around with me, take it to colleagues, be able to hack stuff up on the fly etc. In case of real heavy lifting, it goes on bigger machines anyway. I am often mobile, and having a workstation and home OR at the office doesn't help me. I am doing research, so if an idea "strikes" then I wanna be able to act on it. Sounds stupid, and is, but anyway. What do we know about the next generation HQ processors? Is it worth the wait? Also, how generally do the prices moves if a new generation can be anticipated? Afaik prices for the Blade 14 and the Aero 14 are "normal" now, even though a new generation should be coming early next year. Will the prices move down shortly before release? Anyone know how these cycles look in the laptop market? Haramstufe Rot fucked around with this message at 19:57 on Nov 14, 2017 |
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The next gen HQ series is pretty much a kaby lake cpu with a stripped down vega in the same package (but not the same die), with a shared 45w envelope for both. It should be interesting, leaked benchmarks put it around the 1050 for gpu performance which is quite good, but nobody knows what the CPU side will look like performance-wise. Also, nobody's even shown a concept machine or reference design with this chip in it yet, so don't expect to see it in a laptop for at least 6 months. Prices do tend to drop before a new model is released, and deals abound in general this time of year due to black friday. What is your current computer? It's hard to say what kind of cpu you need without a baseline for comparison.
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Currently I have a Dell Latitude with an i7-4800 MQ edit: after checking some reviews, it seems modern cpus like the 7700qh are barely faster than my 4800mq i have now. oh Haramstufe Rot fucked around with this message at 23:58 on Nov 14, 2017 |
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caps on caps on caps posted:Currently I have a Dell Latitude with an i7-4800 MQ A 7700HQ is really only going to be a 20% bump, then. Not much has changed performance-wise since Haswell. If you're looking at days-long simulation work, there isn't currently a mobile solution that will do much to help, and I don't really think that's going to change much until Cannon Lake at least. If your work can be paralellized at all, now is a really good time to build a desktop, for what it's worth. Sticking lots of cores together is all the rage these days. edit: lol yeah you got it
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Oh no, now is a *terrible* time to build a desktop. RAM prices are astronomical, GPU prices are still kind of hosed, and CPUs are only just STARTING to show upgrade-worthy improvements over Haswell.
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SwissArmyDruid posted:Oh no, now is a *terrible* time to build a desktop. It's a terrible time to build a gaming desktop yes, but for massively parallel simulation work, a Threadripper system is a crazy good deal compared to trying to build an equivalent Xeon 6 months ago. admittedly, you'll still get hosed buying RAM
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It still seems completely insane to me that the RAM I bought for $80 a couple years ago now retails for $160
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Pompadour Diamond posted:Sorry for responding over a month later, lots of bad coincidences. once you put in a new SSD $100, new monitor $100, more ram $100 you're halfway to a new thinkpad. You probably need a new battery too, so that's $350 to keep it running, vs $800 for a brand new laptop with 3x the battery life. You're right on the edge of repair vs replace, really its up to you. The x280 doesn't have thunderbolt 3 yet which is why i don't fully recommend it.
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TheGreasyStrangler posted:It still seems completely insane to me that the RAM I bought for $80 a couple years ago now retails for $160 I sold some ancient DDR3 for $20 more than I paid for it. I ended up jumping on that Costco deal for the Asus UX430UN. This thing is thinner and lighter than I expected. Fan is definitely a bit louder but so far so good. Got plenty of time to change my mind if I need to but I doubt I will.
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what the gently caress is going on with RAM i noticed this as well and assumed i was going crazy and misremembering it being cheaper
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Statutory Ape posted:what the gently caress is going on with RAM A little of Column A and a little of Column B between skyrocketing demand from smartphones and collusion between the only 3 manufacturers on the planet.
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Dr. Fishopolis posted:It's a terrible time to build a gaming desktop yes, but for massively parallel simulation work, a Threadripper system is a crazy good deal compared to trying to build an equivalent Xeon 6 months ago. I mean, if you're going to be building a compute/simulation/ML rig, you're STILL going to get hosed by GPU pricing, and RAM pricing. That Threadripper chip is about the only good thing going for you, which, as I said, CPUs are only just STARTING to show actual improvements that are not just 5% perf bump YOY. i5s are getting Hyperthreading, i7s are going to six cores, and Threadripper gives you cores for days. But you're still hosed for all the other reasons I mentioned.
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I'm really not arguing any of that. capsoncaps is running giant matlab simulations on a loving 45w haswell laptop, so they should really build a desktop computer. You can build an 8 core, 16 thread ryzen box with a 1050ti and 16gb ram for under a grand. That's a loving bonkers amount of power compared to what they're using now, and much cheaper than a new workstation laptop that wouldn't solve the problem anyway. And 1050ti's are in decent supply, the only thing over msrp is the ram.
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manwithoutskin posted:That is the issue, although I'd call it more than a slight delay. It's avoidable as I had zero issues in the anniversary update but the fall creators update brought them all on. I did try disabling those with no help to the problem. I'm curious Shrimps did the regedit fix help you at all? I am hopeful that at least Intel is supposedly debugging the issue now. The delay didn't look that bad in the linked video, but to be fair it probably feels worse when you're actually the one using the system. CFox posted:Yea I had the same problem with a slight delay with right clicking and opening the file explorer of all things. I think what solved it was turning off Windows transparency effects and maybe something else to do with Aero. Glad it's a known issue and not just a hardware thing on my end. This is what I suggested: turn off any 3D effects to prevent the iGPU->dGPU handoff and there won't be a delay.
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Dr. Fishopolis posted:A 7700HQ is really only going to be a 20% bump, then. Not much has changed performance-wise since Haswell. If you're looking at days-long simulation work, there isn't currently a mobile solution that will do much to help, and I don't really think that's going to change much until Cannon Lake at least. It's not even 20% I think. In the tests, all current CPUs and the 7700 especially seem to be pretty much within like 1-5% of the 4800MQ. I would have to get the top of the line Xeon for much improvement (or am I wrong in this assessment?). I can't believe how good of a deal my old laptop was then... cooling sucks but otherwise. I mean it's like five years old. I guess things have gotten more expensive. So I will hope I can fix my display problems and just stick with this machine until Razer, Gigabyte, Dell or Lenovo bring out their new offerings with the new generation of whatever Intel comes up. Or even AMD? Dr. Fishopolis posted:I'm really not arguing any of that. capsoncaps is running giant matlab simulations on a loving 45w haswell laptop, so they should really build a desktop computer. You can build an 8 core, 16 thread ryzen box with a 1050ti and 16gb ram for under a grand. Or, you know, I'll do that. For some reason I thought that 5 years of CPU research would have lead to some fuckton huge improvements in performance. But if Intel sat idle all this time then I guess I have to build a real workstation and just carry it around with me or whatever lol. Haramstufe Rot fucked around with this message at 11:34 on Nov 15, 2017 |
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caps on caps on caps posted:It's not even 20% I think. In the tests, all current CPUs and the 7700 especially seem to be pretty much within like 1-5% of the 4800MQ. I would have to get the top of the line Xeon for much improvement (or am I wrong in this assessment?). AMD does not presently have a high-core-count chip for mobile deployment. I'm not sure that ANYONE wants more than six cores in a mobile SKU, and six cores, we're probably looking workstation laptops, because that's where a six-core part would wind up. Going forward, I think the mainstream mobile processor market will continue to top out at 4c8t, but Intel will extend HT support down into the i5 line, as a move against the likes of AMD's Ryzen Mobile parts, which will look like this. (Courtesy of TechReport.)  So, in conclusion: Highly-parallelized workloads that aren't GPU-accelerated, in a mobile form factor points to something Xeon-y, because AMD doesn't have a mobile workstation chip yet, if ever.
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So, I put this on reddit and got 2 recommendations. Perhaps SA could help? I need a laptop for school.. quote:—Total budget and country of purchase: ASUS VivoBookF510UA - Intel Core i5-8250U 1.6GHz - 15.6” - 8 GB RAM - 1 TB HDD $499 https://shopineer.com/laptops/ASUS-VivoBook-F510UA-FHD-Laptop-Intel-Core-i5-8250U-8GB-RAM-1TB-F510UA-AH51 Would need a SSD upgrade. Acer Swift 3 - Intel Core i5-8250U 1.6GHz - 15.6” - 8 GB RAM - 256 GB SSD - $699 https://shopineer.com/laptops/Acer-Swift-3-8th-Gen-Intel-Core-i5-8250U-15-6-Full-HD-8GB-DDR4-SF315-51-518S Not gonna lie. Those $600-$700 prices are intimidating me. And I’m assuming I’ll need to throw another 8GB of ram into it... Don’t plan on gaming on it outside of maybe some Rollercoaster Tycoon 😜 Help? ☹️
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caps on caps on caps posted:For some reason I thought that 5 years of CPU research would have lead to some fuckton huge improvements in performance. But if Intel sat idle all this time then I guess I have to build a real workstation and just carry it around with me or whatever lol. The short story is that AMD wasn't doing well and nobody else can afford an x86 license, so Intel had a complete monopoly and no incentive to innovate. Now that AMD has found some footing, things should get exciting again, but it'll be a year before we see the really good stuff trickle into consumer laptops.
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I'd only bother with the two Asus models. But they need an SSD instead of that 1TB HDD.
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An SSD is required for a laptop to not be a piece of crap.
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CFox posted:An SSD is required for a laptop to not be a piece of crap. I mean, really, any computer in 2017.
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My Gigabyte Aero 14 came today, and while it powers up, the display remains black. I called tech support, and they essentially told my that I'm out of luck and should just get a new one. I'm really on the fence about getting a replacement, because if the quality is this bad out of the box I'm not optimistic about the next couple years. On a related note, does anyone know how to force a reset on this model? The battery isn't removable, which is usually my go-to.
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When you say remains black do you mean the screen turns on but it's nothing but black or that the screen never turns on at all? If it's the latter I'd wager it's a loose connection within the laptop and a forced reset wouldn't solve anything.
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CFox posted:When you say remains black do you mean the screen turns on but it's nothing but black or that the screen never turns on at all? If it's the latter I'd wager it's a loose connection within the laptop and a forced reset wouldn't solve anything. It looks like it never turns on, but I didn't get anything from an external monitor either.
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MoreLikeTen posted:My Gigabyte Aero 14 came today, and while it powers up, the display remains black. I called tech support, and they essentially told my that I'm out of luck and should just get a new one. I'm really on the fence about getting a replacement, because if the quality is this bad out of the box I'm not optimistic about the next couple years. this is silly, btw
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A certain percentage of electronics are DoA but that's why they get replaced
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caps on caps on caps posted:For some reason I thought that 5 years of CPU research would have lead to some fuckton huge improvements in performance. But if Intel sat idle all this time then I guess I have to build a real workstation and just carry it around with me or whatever lol. You could get this 8-core thing if you really want https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rPUccVeV4I0
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MoreLikeTen posted:My Gigabyte Aero 14 came today, and while it powers up, the display remains black. I called tech support, and they essentially told my that I'm out of luck and should just get a new one. I'm really on the fence about getting a replacement, because if the quality is this bad out of the box I'm not optimistic about the next couple years. There’s a non-zero chance any product will be broken out of the box, whether it’s a Gigabyte or an Apple.
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Statutory Ape posted:this is silly, btw Fair enough. I decided to give it another shot, in no small part because amazon made return/re-order so easy
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The VivoBook has a decent IPS display but everything else is bad. The hard drive is a no no and I would only buy that if you plan to replace it with an SSD. The Acer has decent specs but the display is really bad and dim and the battery life sucks.
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Mu Zeta posted:The VivoBook has a decent IPS display but everything else is bad. The hard drive is a no no and I would only buy that if you plan to replace it with an SSD. The Acer has decent specs but the display is really bad and dim and the battery life sucks. Thank you! That’s what i need to hear  So, what would be a better direction to go in?
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