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Syndlig posted:just reminding austin dsa goons that it's important that you show up and vote tomorrow. if you wanna know who's running the candidates are all up on our website at https://austindsa.org/lc/ and candidates'll be free to talk to during the meeting. also vote for me because i'm the only candidate with a grayscale photo and that clearly makes me the most qualified. can i write in danny fetonte
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Shear Modulus posted:can i write in danny fetonte i guarantee at least a few people will so go hog wild
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how are they gonna count votes considering that danny didn't actually sign anyone up lmao
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hi i went to my first DSA meeting last night and I think I will go to more meetings and events, they were saying things that were good and cool and had a basic Q&A and it was engaging, and i asked a question too my problem is that it seems like there's a way to reach democrats, based on what they discussed particularly neoliberals and I don't see any reconciliation if there is to be any transformative action towards progress, and i will probably bring that up next time to see what they think ok bye Lastgirl has issued a correction as of 13:42 on Nov 16, 2017 |
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Lastgirl posted:hi i went to my first DSA meeting last night and I think I will go to more meetings and events, they were saying things that were good and cool and had a basic Q&A and it was engaging, and i asked a question too We're having this argument in my locals slack so I'm just gonna copy paste what I said there: looking at the history of SPUSA, democrats and republicans always band together against leftists if they're a serious threat. for a socialist party to be successful in this country, it's going to need to defeat the democrats before it can pose any serious challenge to the status quo. with the Dems at the weakest they've ever been and the fact that we're going to have to beat them anyways, it seems that we might as well cannibalize them from the inside and use their already existing infrastructure
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Lastgirl posted:hi i went to my first DSA meeting last night and I think I will go to more meetings and events, they were saying things that were good and cool and had a basic Q&A and it was engaging, and i asked a question too If by "democrats" you mean the party membership/voters as a whole, then yes, it's both possible and necessary to bring them over to our side if we're going to make any progress. Very few normal people are actually enthusiastic about the neoliberal status quo, which is one of the reasons the party is struggling with voter turnout during elections. If we bring a platform that can actually speak to the issues people struggle with in their daily lives, I think we can not only bring a lot of democrats over, but some republican voters as well. If by "democrats" you mean the current office holders and party leadership, probably not. They benefit from the system as it exists now, where everyone from unions to racial minorities to LGBT+ groups have no choice but to vote D, since the Republicans want to murder them all. Embracing any kind of socialist platform would anger their donor base and threaten whatever private sector gig they have lined up for once they're out of office, and those two things matter more to them than winning majorities or making positive social changes. We can run on their ticket and use their party apparatus to our own advantage as long as they let us, but we can't compromise our message to their satisfaction without giving up on the things we actually care about.
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Phi230 posted:DSA: we are the alien in the chest of the Democratic party 
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logikv9 posted:
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Syndlig posted:i guarantee at least a few people will so go hog wild I'm gonna write him in for Membership Coordinator
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Business Gorillas posted:We're having this argument in my locals slack so I'm just gonna copy paste what I said there: I think you're exactly right that dems and reps band together when faced with a credible left threat. That is exactly why we need a separate and independent political force outside of the dems, however, to help illustrate all the more how both parties serve capitalism ultimately when their back is against the wall. The election in Minneapolis that Ginger Jentzen from SA lost is proof of this, where the republican party and its pacs were pouring tens of thousands of dollars into the democratic candidate's coffers to help him beat Ginger. The idea of cannibalizing or using the dems in the short term is one that many people have right now but I think it ignores the very real fact that the democratic party elites also have an agenda of their own and there is just as much a chance of them influencing socialist orgs that try to work within them as the opposite occurring. This is historically what has happened to other left wing and socialist movements who have taken this approach. That being said, while I disagree with the idea of infiltrating or repurposing the dems or even just using their ballot line, and feel that the disparate forces of the left need to come together to form a viable new labor, socialist, or workers party, I'll also concede that this is not an easy step and will take much time and effort. It's something that has to be built from the ground up with patience and genuine solidarity, and that takes time.
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Phi230 posted:DSA: we are the alien in the chest of the Democratic party im john carpenter's the thing
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I'm John Carpenter's whatever-Rowdy-Roddy-Piper's-character-was-called
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Lastgirl posted:hi i went to my first DSA meeting last night and I think I will go to more meetings and events, they were saying things that were good and cool and had a basic Q&A and it was engaging, and i asked a question too That rules. I know a couple folks out there (Gainesville, right?) that helped out with the Irma relief work we did, and they're good comrades. We're less than a week out from our first meeting here, where we should be able to fill out the paperwork to become an organizing committee. I'm pretty loving stoked. I'd like to have a state level organization that all the chapters can have delegates to and can be empowered to handle state level responses to things like hurricane relief in the future. There was some trouble with responding in reasonable time with Irma, because people needed to go back and forth between our group and their chapter membership so often to get approval for everything we wanted to do.
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Let's get a DSA member in Franken's senate seat
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Syndlig posted:just reminding austin dsa goons that it's important that you show up and vote tomorrow. if you wanna know who's running the candidates are all up on our website at https://austindsa.org/lc/ and candidates'll be free to talk to during the meeting. also vote for me because i'm the only candidate with a grayscale photo and that clearly makes me the most qualified. I'm voting for all the people in suits and blazers to be sent to the guillotine
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long-rear end nips Diane posted:I'm gonna write him in for Membership Coordinator you monster big black turnout posted:I'm voting for all the people in suits and blazers to be sent to the guillotine it's funny that they used those photos 'cause i've literally never seen any of them wear one
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yo i feel like that image of al franken groping that woman has come up before, am i hallucinating poo poo?
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That's always guaranteed bait for Homex, it's funny how consistently he replies to that stuff with a pithy "lol"
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pictures where the punchline is "im committing sexual assault" are like headshots for actors, every lovely comedian has one
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Vhak lord of hate posted:pictures where the punchline is "im committing sexual assault" are like headshots for actors, every lovely comedian has one in that case i'd recommend that lovely comedians also not commit actual sexual assault of that person on top of it
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can i write in danny fetonte
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can I write in chairman bob
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I know the "I will never read a book" caucus is dominant here, but I read a book (Discipline and Punish) and it was dope. Anyone have any good reading suggestions? I got Rousseau's Discourse on Inequality and the Communist Manifesto at a used book store for  so those will probably be next, but I'm always looking to add more to my list.
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Yandat posted:the democratic party is unique in that most countries their center left party formed out of labor struggles and trade union movements and are generally more democratically accountable to members. if you joined the democratic party you weren't being given a vote for head of the dnc in the perez vs ellison debate, only 447 members were voting members during that election The way labour leaders are elected was drastically changed during miliband's tenure so it doesn't really have anything to do with the party's history (The change was actually an attempt to weaken the left that ended up backfiring spectacularly)
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Goon Danton posted:I know the "I will never read a book" caucus is dominant here, but I read a book (Discipline and Punish) and it was dope. Anyone have any good reading suggestions? I got Rousseau's Discourse on Inequality and the Communist Manifesto at a used book store for i’m probably in a category of one here, but i found capital vol 1 to be an immensely enjoyable read more generally, PEL digs through a huge amount of interesting source material on a regular basis, so if you follow them and keep up with what they’re reviewing, you’ll be doing some great reading and getting some very good discussion to boot eta: they also tend to link free versions of their readings
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Gum posted:The way labour leaders are elected was drastically changed during miliband's tenure so it doesn't really have anything to do with the party's history (The change was actually an attempt to weaken the left that ended up backfiring spectacularly) ah that owns
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Annual Prophet posted:i’m probably in a category of one here, but i found capital vol 1 to be an immensely enjoyable read PEL? Proletariat-Educating Literature? People Eating Lunch?
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Phi230 posted:DSA: we are the alien in the chest of the Democratic party
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Goon Danton posted:PEL? Proletariat-Educating Literature? People Eating Lunch? Proles Executing Landlords 
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Goon Danton posted:PEL? Proletariat-Educating Literature? People Eating Lunch? apologies, danton; here you go: https://partiallyexaminedlife.com eta: topical list: https://partiallyexaminedlife.com/podcast-topics/
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big black turnout posted:Proles Executing Landlords i endorse this as well
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12,000 member dues lapsed this week. Yikes
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on hold with sex line posted:12,000 member dues lapsed this week. Yikes
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on hold with sex line posted:12,000 member dues lapsed this week. Yikes chairman Danny would not have allowed this
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Yeah I likely will need to renew in a month or two. I think soon at least.
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on hold with sex line posted:12,000 member dues lapsed this week. Yikes I know it was gonna be bad but what’s the source on this
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