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Aramoro posted:Choose 1. There is nothing contradictory about those two statements. The run-time cares about what the result of the interpreter/compiler/JIT/whatever. Some abstractions are indeed more performant - often the ones that are more difficult to maintain/extend/scale. There are times when duplicating code is a good thing and there are times when it's bad. How and why is a combination of performance/maintainability/personal preference/team culture. Coding dogma is bad. Being informed about pros and cons of various practices, and self-critical of the abstractions we choose, is good.
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PederP posted:There is nothing contradictory about those two statements. The run-time cares about what the result of the interpreter/compiler/JIT/whatever. Some abstractions are indeed more performant - often the ones that are more difficult to maintain/extend/scale. There are times when duplicating code is a good thing and there are times when it's bad. How and why is a combination of performance/maintainability/person preference. Coding dogma is bad. Being informed about pros and cons of various practices, and self-critical of the abstractions we choose, is good. lol. So Runtime doesn't care about your coding practices unless it does. Pro-tip
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PederP posted:No, that's only one out of three (ie always rub). There are several valid reasons to not always use interfaces in C#, mostly performance related, but also because it's not always the best abstraction for the programmer. If you're happy wrapping everything in an interface, great. But it doesn't magically make your code bad if you don't. I agree to a certain degree (allthough I'm not sure what you mean by "wrapping" something in an interface), but imo for a new programmer, it is good to understand very early on how important interfaces are. I'm mostly working on ERP systems, where clean IoC is paramount for easy and stable customization, and I am often baffled that programmers with a couple of years of experience in the field never - ever - use interfaces and create tightly coupled code that is impossible to decouple. This leads to frankenstein systems that are a nightmare to work with. As a general hint for a new coder, I still think it is a valid advice.
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 I enjoy people talking about something they're passionate about. It works as a nice counterpoint in these threads. The old cooking discussions were great.
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Nov 27, 2017 13:46
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Aramoro posted:lol. So Runtime doesn't care about your coding practices unless it does. Pro-tip Let me rephrase it then - it doesn't about whether it is maintainable, readable, extensible, scalable, etc. My point is that the functional characteristics of code and the "soft" characteristics of code are separate. And when someone tells you something is categorically bad due to something "soft", you need to be critical. If it's got a functional issue (ie it's slow, eats up memory, etc.) then that's something you need to weight against the "soft" benefits. Sometimes it's worth it, sometimes it's not. But when a teacher says the student writes bad code because of "modules" in a loving array learning session, then that's very likely to be a dumb and irrelevant observation.
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Nov 27, 2017 13:48
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tuo posted:I agree to a certain degree (allthough I'm not sure what you mean by "wrapping" something in an interface), but imo for a new programmer, it is good to understand very early on how important interfaces are. I'm mostly working on ERP systems, where clean IoC is paramount for easy and stable customization, and I am often baffled that programmers with a couple of years of experience in the field never - ever - use interfaces and create tightly coupled code that is impossible to decouple. This leads to frankenstein systems that are a nightmare to work with. I would go down the route of leaning to use interfaces because generally you're going to write more loosely coupled code and more easily maintained code, which is a good thing. Those instances where you need to do something for performance etc are the edge cases and you don't want to get into the habit of early optimisations as they're frequently a poor idea or misapplied, especially by novice programmers
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Aramoro posted:I would go down the route of leaning to use interfaces because generally you're going to write more loosely coupled code and more easily maintained code, which is a good thing. Those instances where you need to do something for performance etc are the edge cases and you don't want to get into the habit of early optimisations as they're frequently a poor idea or misapplied, especially by novice programmers 
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FTR you're wasting your time trying to take down derek with effort posts. He's a loony and 3.0 appears to have broken his brain even more. But definitely do more trolling videos like that because baiting thin skinned citizens will never not be funny.
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SCtrumpHaters posted:Ill admit it because im honest. Like more of you should be about how wrong you all are about cigs fails and demise. Hahaha, it's all good, I didn't even think about goons seeing it and flipping poo poo, I just wanted to troll the remaining people I haven't driven off my channel who are blind apologists for CIG.
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alphabettitouretti posted:FTR you're wasting your time trying to take down derek with effort posts. He's a loony and 3.0 appears to have broken his brain even more. But definitely do more trolling videos like that because baiting thin skinned citizens will never not be funny. Hahaha, I'm over Derek, I swear. Plus watching him rage out over my last video was loving priceless and I can't imagine a better way to wash my hands of him.
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PederP posted:Let me rephrase it then - it doesn't about whether it is maintainable, readable, extensible, scalable, etc. My point is that the functional characteristics of code and the "soft" characteristics of code are separate. And when someone tells you something is categorically bad due to something "soft", you need to be critical. If it's got a functional issue (ie it's slow, eats up memory, etc.) then that's something you need to weight against the "soft" benefits. Sometimes it's worth it, sometimes it's not. But when a teacher says the student writes bad code because of "modules" in a loving array learning session, then that's very likely to be a dumb and irrelevant observation. I would agree things like maintainability are in the soft area but then again I would try to encourage best practices early. Whilst the teacher is in all likely hood bad the principals of modular-sing code are good, and you need a good reason to not do it. I would want an excellent reason for someone duplicating code for example, is the hit in maintainability worth the performance gain. Compilers and processers are not so esoteric in their operation that it can be extremely hard to work out. This is a really fun question for interviews, not because I expect someone to know the answer but because it's fun to talk about code:Aramoro fucked around with this message at 14:00 on Nov 27, 2017 |
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I didn't pay $250 to loose a race to a fart powered commando.
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FailureToReport posted:Hahaha, it's all good, I didn't even think about goons seeing it and flipping poo poo, I just wanted to troll the remaining people I haven't driven off my channel who are blind apologists for CIG. Looks like you found a new home. Enjoy your stay.
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Virtual Captain posted:I didn't pay $250 to loose a race to a fart powered commando. https://gifsound.com/?gfycat=PoorReflectingCentipede&v=feA64wXhbjo&s=8
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Jeff Bazos, Amazon billionaire, talking in 1999 about his office desk which is an old door with 2x4s for legs "It's a symbol of spending money on customers who do matter and not spending it on things that don't" https://youtu.be/6cTjhzSgdwE Watch from 1m10s for quote
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I don't rembember this but the filename does not lie.
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no_recall posted:Hey Uncle D, whats the latest buzz from your sources. We've been missing those lately. The rumored people existing and "silent" layoffs still persist. They're doing everything they can to keep it quiet, but they have been downsizing heavily since mid Q3/17. And they're using the oldest trick in the book to keep that on the down low, but inflating their jobs page. The jobs never get filled. Hilariously, one of my oldest sources (the one who first told me last year about the 3.0 disaster we're now enjoying), hit me with an "I called it" message yesterday. I was laughing so hard. 
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TheAgent posted:just last week it was "it was a lore post and nothing more, please show us exactly where CIG said they are selling land plots" They're loving mental. ----------------
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Chunjee posted:I don't rembember this but the filename does not lie. They gaze right at my soul and won't let me sleep. Furthermore there is an unbanned toxxed/r still wandering around.
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no_recall posted:4th Day of Sale Current Tally is at : 2.775M I was thinking day one sales when I made that estimate. I had no idea this was about the full 7 day sale. Not that it would have made a difference, as I wouldn't have pegged it at > $2m either. ----------------
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Ramadu posted:Hey uncle Derek when you get a chance you uh might want to rewatch failure to reports last video posted in the thread. Just watch like 3-4 minutes. It's really good and funny I promise. Yeah, everyone sent me messages about that here and on Discord. I don't care what he's got in it, I'm not going back to that festering postule's channel again. He is a perfect example of what I'm going to do these Usual Suspects once this poo poo-show finally collapses. loving turd should buy back in, just to spite me. THAT I would watch. ----------------
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FailureToReport posted:Hahaha, I'm over Derek, I swear. I didn't watch it; because I don't give a poo poo. ps: Go gently caress yourself. ----------------
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Dogeh posted:I started, like many, on BASIC but quickly moved on to 6502 assembler. I'd have thought after doing 6502 that pointers would be second nature?
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Between the avatar, title text, gang tag and deranged sig, Derek's posts are starting to resemble a geocities page circa 1995. All he needs now is an under construction gif.
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alphabettitouretti posted:Between the avatar, title text, gang tag and deranged sig, Derek's posts are starting to resemble a geocities page circa 1995. All he needs now is an under construction gif. 
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D_Smart posted:This poo poo is broken beyond belief. Go gently caress yourself and give me the gang tag, you only have this power sadly.
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TheAgent posted:it's obvious there's about 4 or 5 thousand people continually dropping thousands and thousands per month on this game This is my main point about this game. Ok yes the game may not be a "scam" in the strict sense of the word. And yes the game is being worked on and will come about at some point but what will you be left with? The 4,000-5,000 backers who stayed with game the whole way? There aren't any new people coming in at this point and the type of game they are making is something the masses don't want to play. It's why Blizzard abandoned Titan all those years ago.
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D_Smart posted:I didn't watch it; because I don't give a poo poo. He called you out several times. Says you never called anything and uses links to prove it. He owned your rear end pretty hard id give it a looksee because ppl are gonna debunk you with it
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Ramadu posted:Well I can't use my biochem degree for a while cause I lack an immune system so I can't work in the lab anymore. I figured I liked computers and I'm not totally brain dead yet and coding seems neat since we were always stuck trying to code a custom program in the lab. C# is just what the intro to programming course teaches. It's been neat, did hello world and did a little census program and a thing calculate discounts and now doing a payroll thing. I just have been in enough classes to know my teacher is bad and that I need more help outside of class to try to be good at it. What's the old adage, try to be the best at what you try to do? Something like that. Trying to be good at it. https://www.hackerrank.com/ this is also a good site if you want to gently caress around with a new language and want to start with something easy but maybe get into something serious later, too.
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Here’s my next prediction for the future <let me put on my Rasputin robes> Chris will step down from his position at CIG at the end of 2018 (or the first quarter of 2019) and hand the company over to Erin with one of two possible explanations: A)Some health thing has come up, that has forced him to step away (bullshit) or most likely to occur: B) He has completed the vision of the project and handed it over to Erin (and whomever the management is there at that point) to finish out the game, because they are fully capable of completing the dream. He will also tell the loyal cultists that he will remain onboard the project as a creative consultant (possibly stoking his ego to include the reference “like Bill Gates does currently for Microsoft”) so it is all good for the project - and Star Citizen will go on for years - Please keep funding. The reason I am predicting this timeframe is that it will be at a point in the project where funding will be significantly dropping off, and he will escape pod out before the hard decisions have to be made about shuttering one or two of the studios as he does not like to deal with that kind of stuff, and has no empathy for other people (or their families livelihoods). This will be much like DA was when he jumped out before all the layoffs and accountability occured, and sailed away into his next dream with buckets of money: Hence completing the Chris Roberts “Circle of failure” that has been repeated time and again in his career. Yes, I could be off in my timeline, but I definitely feel (based on past history) that this is going to occur at some near future point. I’ll pick this timeline though so Beet can start working on my “Mne Nravitsya was right” avatar in advance.
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Mne nravitsya posted:Here’s my next prediction for the future <let me put on my Rasputin robes> Where's the link to your blog you hack.
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trucutru posted:Beer, I hope you're happy for starting this programming language recommendation chat in a loving nerd nest. Absolutely.
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Beer4TheBeerGod posted:Absolutely. Out of curiosity what was your takeaway report for your brother or whoever.
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May 2014 Chris: "So we're a server authoriative model, which helps, but we have limited client trust." reddit PSA: "If the airlock doors at Olisar aren't working for you, delete your User folder" Client trust. Not even once.
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