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Yooper, as a random observation, with the employer choices, we don't tend to get the same employer options twice in a row. Instead, we often get the guys we shot at last mission as employer choices. This might make it hard to build up long-term relationships with anyone. Also, with the top two choices in place, we could end up working for one guy and then turning on them the next. For example, doing BDA first for YugoImport and then blowing up their bridge the next mission. Could this be tweaked in the future? For example, by having each employer give us 1-2 mission cards?  This one is easy money. Send along Big Pig's KC-135, six of the Akefs, four of the Bisons, and a couple of Gripens as backup (their AESA radars and IRST can be our eyes and ears). Club seals and make a quick buck. Verdict: YES  As much as I'd love to work for YugoImport, this screams BIG COMPLICATED DEATH MISSION. We'd need to break out the Nighthawks, ALARM Tornadoes, and SDB Gripens for this one. And Sparkmaster's Mirage is gonna need a rabbit's foot to survive that camera pass. Let's wait to get some more EW or stealth aircraft. Verdict: Doable, but PASS  This one should be reasonably straightforward. Assign an Akef with 2,000lb GBU-15s to each bridge (this is literally the kind of mission this bomb was made for). With hammer support, Tornadoes smash the radars and SAM in the area to clear the way. Bison and Gripen top cover. Verdict: YES  Air-to-air is risky stuff. The last two mission we've seen the extremes of luck. We saw how one leaker Bison could gun down three planes in 49 seconds. And so this mission, we saw the pendulum swing the other way. Even if we meet somewhere in the middle, we're gonna lose birds. And remember, Yooper's could limit (or kill) our ability to 3DP new planes. Let's stay away from this one. Verdict: HARD PASS Bacarruda fucked around with this message at 11:01 on Nov 27, 2017 |
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Yooper posted:Things are heating up elsewhere. The first Schmohz zeppelin campaign went off without a hitch. Well, actually, a half dozen F-5's duked it out with some Viggens over the Adriatic. Then, the last man standing, was shot down by an AAMRAM from some unknown assailant. The Schmohz execs are quite pleased and plan on doing it again. Sales are up! Questions: A fight over the Adriatic should have been easily tracked by our Ground Master, and also by our ELINT boat. The boat would pick up any long-range radars like from an AEW aircraft (but not short-range), and the Ground Master would definitely pick up the dogfight itself. Is this confirmation that we didn't see an AEW on ELINT? Did we pick up radio transmissions from the participants, and does that tell us who was involved? And was that the AMRAAM assailant was careful enough to dodge our Ground Master's coverage?
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You know we have 2k pound bombs and bunker busters on the Nighthawks, right? Send the Eagles to go blimp-bothering or something and leave ground attack to the dedicated planes.
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Nick Esasky posted:You know we have 2k pound bombs and bunker busters on the Nighthawks, right? Send the Eagles to go blimp-bothering or something and leave ground attack to the dedicated planes. Nighthawks work best for a first strike. Sending them in on a bridge after scraping clear the air defenses surrounding the bridge is asking for trouble, because enemy air will be scrambling, enemy SAM and SHORAD radars in the area will be active, and so on. It's far easier for them to be caught out if they're the final blow rather than the first one. I think the ideal method to deal with this mission would be Nighthawk known radars, Tornado the SAM and SHORAD, then two Akefs bomb the bridge with 2k lb glide bombs. The other option instead would be similar but instead of two Akefs with GBU-15s, two Floggers with Kedges. The two planes have almost identical unit costs, but Floggers have to fly closer and the laser-guided Kedges have to be guided in, so I favor the less risky play where we can sling the GBU-15 from 15nm then withdraw. That said it would free up two Akefs for the blimp mission, which may be a good trade. There was some discussion on Discord whether 1-risk means no bisons. We had a hint earlier that one previous blimp mission ended with F-5s vs Viggens, with a surprise AMRAAM later, so that's interesting. I certainly hope 1-risk means no Bisons, then I would feel comfortable handling the mission with Akefs and a few Gripen backups. That would free up our own Bisons for the 3-risk bridge mission, which I feel based on past risk ratings means we could expect as many as 8-12 opfor Bisons. Since we've dealt with opposing airforces using airbase strikes so far, if we want to avoid that this time (or can't do it because we're splitting our planes), we may also have to go Meteor-free. Of course all this depends on what our intel tells us the opfor is composed of. The presence of Bisons or other ARH missile planes (like the mystery AMRAAM slinger) almost necessitates our own Bisons and going Meteor-free. Akefs with Sparrows simply can't take ARH missiles on, as Baccaruda himself has said many times. Speaking of, if our Teacher Union overlords are going to allow it, increasing our bison wing size to match opfor sizes would be nice. So far we've faced 12 Bisons and 12 Bisons in successive missions, and expecting to take those forces on with 8 Bisons isn't ideal. That would cost a mere 30 million to get us up to 12 of our own. e: With the other missions, that 5-risk recon mission is a real interesting one, because we can dedicate our entire strike force to SEAD. Although the 5-risk is difficult, it might be easier to plan than expected since we only really have one phase of operations.
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Yooper, thanks for running an amazing thread. I stumbled on it and it's been my nightly viewing. My girlfriend calls you "The nice almost-Canadian man with the dog talking about airstrikes and drinking beer." And such commitment. Not many people would get cancer just for an LP.  For you guys doing planning, do you have to buy the whole game or is there something else you're doing?
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Dr. Kyle Farnsworth posted:Yooper, thanks for running an amazing thread. I stumbled on it and it's been my nightly viewing. My girlfriend calls you "The nice almost-Canadian man with the dog talking about airstrikes and drinking beer." And such commitment. Not many people would get cancer just for an LP. It's not necessary but it's nice to have. I planned one op without the game, and I planned one after I bought it. The main differences were I understood how the game implemented rules and therefore can avoid nonsense orders, and I was able to test against live opposition or to check capabilities as they actually are. For example, the SIDECAP idea wouldn't have been possible without owning cmano. All you need to plan an op is an ability to navigate and draw lines on google maps, and the ability to search cmano-db.com and translate it into wiki.baloogancampaign.com addresses. This will let you access loadouts and specific weapon abilities (mostly only available on baloogan but only searchable on cmano-db). For example, here is our Akef on cmano-db: http://cmano-db.com/aircraft/1771/ Here is a sample Baloogan address: https://wiki.baloogancampaign.com/index.php/DataAircraft?ID=2228 To find our Akef on baloogan, you would replace the ID=2228 with ID=1771
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Nov 27, 2017 06:49
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Oh lovely and it's on Autumn Sale as well.
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TheDemon posted:Questions: A fight over the Adriatic should have been easily tracked by our Ground Master, and also by our ELINT boat. The boat would pick up any long-range radars like from an AEW aircraft (but not short-range), and the Ground Master would definitely pick up the dogfight itself. Is this confirmation that we didn't see an AEW on ELINT? Did we pick up radio transmissions from the participants, and does that tell us who was involved? And was that the AMRAAM assailant was careful enough to dodge our Ground Master's coverage? Seconding! Our bote ought to have some answers here. Adding in my two cents for the bridge strike: if the Nighthawks get involved, it should be a night operation, I would think. Otherwise, we have some more leeway. Also, is there any thought towards keeping a flight of Bisons or Gripens ready to scramble? I assume MCTB is going to have us assailed one way or another, so at least putting out an early warning net--and, if possible, getting informants out to nearby FOBs so we know who's leasing them--will be a must. (Even better if we can somehow get an aerostat or a couple of AEW helis to circle our airbase, or else put out the word that while we harbor no grudge against any PMC that comes after us, we will make sure they're utterly ruined during or after the operation, one way or the other, so they better consider their risk-reward calculus very carefully if MCTB launches them against an airfield Albania. Sorry, lads, that's just business.)
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Bacarruda posted:Yooper, as a random observation, with the employer choices, we don't tend to get the same employer options twice in a row. Instead, we often get the guys we shot at last mission as employer choices. This might make it hard to build up long-term relationships with anyone. Sure. In fact I'll revise and add a few more options for this round. Today. Maybe. Dr. Kyle Farnsworth posted:Yooper, thanks for running an amazing thread. I stumbled on it and it's been my nightly viewing. My girlfriend calls you "The nice almost-Canadian man with the dog talking about airstrikes and drinking beer." And such commitment. Not many people would get cancer just for an LP. Thanks! "Almost Canadian" is a good description. The dog is happy too. In regards to your question, some people have the game while others just get the basics down. I can work with a basic lists of ideas and make it happen. TheDemon posted:Questions: A fight over the Adriatic should have been easily tracked by our Ground Master, and also by our ELINT boat. The boat would pick up any long-range radars like from an AEW aircraft (but not short-range), and the Ground Master would definitely pick up the dogfight itself. Is this confirmation that we didn't see an AEW on ELINT? Did we pick up radio transmissions from the participants, and does that tell us who was involved? And was that the AMRAAM assailant was careful enough to dodge our Ground Master's coverage? Our Ground Master picked it up at the tail end. Right now there's a ton of aerial traffic of all sorts going on in the region. Not just us but the four arms dealers along with whatever national interests are jockeying about. People are running in. People are running out. Our crews thought nothing unusual until the missiles lit up on the radar. At that part everyone started paying attention but most of the fun was done. The assailants remained on encrypted comms but the last comms that Tokyo Bay Fortress picked up was an American encryption frequency, and not one used by the F-5's or the Viggens.
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Yooper posted:
If we didn't see the airframe... either the Americans are out there, or one of the really big boys has come to play.
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pinchofginger posted:If we didn't see the airframe... either the Americans are out there, or one of the really big boys has come to play. My first thought is "Alabama National Guard" but I also don't think they could afford 22s/35s.
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Just so everyone doesn't get excited, it could be that it fired and our GroundMaster didn't pick it up. Maybe it was too far away, occluded by terrain, etc.
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Groggy nard posted:My first thought is "Alabama National Guard" but I also don't think they could afford 22s/35s. Comedy NASAMS option.
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 As there is always two sides to a coin, we can choose either side. Except when the it wouldn't make for an interesting mission to play the OPFOR. We can either work for Schmohz, protect the Zeppelin, or go to work for UNICUM and try to POP the Zeppelin. Payout will remain the same, as will the threat assessment. In this case we can work for Arsenal AD to attempt to blow the bridge or go in with YugoImport to protect a critical bridge asset. Finally we have an op where we can work for UNICUM to attempt to trap some air units, or go in with Schmohz and Coke to counter the trap and embarrass UNICUM. The YugoImport op is strictly one sided. Feel free to ask questions or request more details.
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Blow up the Bridge and Destroy the Zeppelin sound liek two good missions for us compared to the higher risk and lower reward payoff of the others. Payout is the same for both and destroying assets should be easier than protecting them. Not too bothered about the reputation hits, after all it is all about the money and if someone doesn't want to hire us like say Molsen-Coors we just show them why they should regret not doing so. Huh voting you say? I don't see no voting here. koolkevz666 fucked around with this message at 18:52 on Nov 27, 2017 |
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BDA and Yugo Bridge Bombing I want my island.
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Moscow may increasingly look toward private military companies (PMCs), known in Russia as Chastnye Voennie Companiy (ChVK), to exert plausibly deniable and economically and politically sustainable military influence abroad, according to experts speaking to The Cipher Brief. Unlike relying on proxies such as ragtag local militias or organized criminal groups in conflicts such as in Syria, Ukraine and Libya, Russian private military companies offer the promise of greater Kremlin control and combat effectiveness, all while sidestepping the potential domestic political backlash of Russian military casualties in far-off wars. How interesting.
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I feel like subtlety and playing defense isn't really our strength. Our strength is ludicrous overkill and bombing the hell out of everything. I vote Blow up the bridge and Blow up the Zeppelin.
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Nov 27, 2017 17:41
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Schmoz Counter Air and Schmoz Zeppelin Let's get in good with Schmoz why not.
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Counter Air Trap and Kill the Zeppelin. Air stuff is fun and I'm not afraid of losses; they're the lowest risk missions anyway. I think we should foster one enemy and try to stay pretty even elsewhere, but that's very much a secondary concern for me.
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Hold your horses, people; we aren't voting for, like, a week!
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Guys...don't vote yet. The way I look at it, we should try to take one easier mission and one harder mission. That way, we don't risk huge losses back-to-back. Yooper posted:
The Zeppelin escort is the perfect easy mission for us. Turn loose the Bisons and Akefs (and maybe the Kfirs) and have a couple Gripens keep an eye on things. Club seals, make a profit. This is the perfect mission for our shiny new Akers to prove their worth. As tempting as it is to pop the Zeppelin, working for UNICUM might be a little...awkward after we blew up their warehouse. Verdict: YES on Escort for Schmohz, MAYBE on Blimp Attack for UNICUM. Yooper posted:
As much as I'd like to avoid pissing off YugoImport, this mission is looking more tempting. We are built for this kind of operation. We have a ton of SEAD doorkickers and have cheap glide bombs on Kfirs and Akefs to kill those bridges. Defending the bridge takes the initiative away from us. Plus, the attackers only need to get off two lucky bombs for us to fail. Verdict: YES on bombing for Arsenal AD, PASS on defending YugoImport. Yooper posted:
Working for UNICUM to set an aerial trap is a little risky. Air-to-air puts our planes in a lot of danger and it eats up pricy missiles. Countering the trap opens up a lot of interesting possibilities. I think our best bet is to perform what's becoming our signature move: the Pearl Harbor. We hit the UNICUM fighters in the ground while they're getting ready to take off to fight Coke-Schmohz. Imagine a row of gassed-up Bisons getting slammed by SDBs and Paveways. Verdict: PASS on UNICUM trap, MAYBE on counterattack for Coke-Schmohz Yooper posted:
Again, very risky. If we did this, we'd probably rain down ALARMs and SDBs to clear out the defenses, then send our recon Mirage in at max speed. Gripens would need to fly CAP. There would be a LOT explosions this op, but some of them would probably done our birds going down. VERDICT: PASS tl;dr: Escort or kill the Blimp, Bomb the Bridge Bacarruda fucked around with this message at 18:48 on Nov 27, 2017 |
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It's kind of a shame CMANO's not really that customisable. And for that matter that we're not getting to 3D-print stuff any more. Because I really want us to get some of these: 
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And to throw my hat in the PMC ring: Let me take you guys back to 1995. Does this look like an exaggeration to you?. Now, they call ME a conspiracy theorist, but what I see there is a recruitment campaign telling kids they can get their own fighter jet. Snopes would have you believe that nothing really came of it. But let's take a look at the facts: A man puts together an investment group to invest in fighter jets at the height of the Cola Wars. Does that sound like something that just "goes away" because the lawsuit is frivolous? Why would they be recruiting kids to fly Harriers to sell soda? It does not make sense. Unless you wanted to cover up a purchase of military technology and openly advertise for both investors and pilots. Kinda like what happened. Investors, military equipment, sounds like...us!  New Generation is the choice of Pepsico for aerial defense on rough, improvised, and short surfaces, but they're also in a bit of a pickle. Pepsi security is firmly committed to protecting its bottling plants, even the ones with no airstrips. Promised deliveries of the F-35 has left them with only their legacy Harriers, though they have been upgraded to the GR9 standard. They're not dangerous for their Sidewinders. They're not dangerous for their Paveways. They're dangerous for their "holy hell, where did those guys come from?" abilities and for their pilots, amped up on the finest Pepsico has to offer and trained on their platform of choice for decades. But remember, I'm the conspiracy theorist when they clearly have Pepsico colors in their roundels. 
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Can't we just send two Stinkbugs to bomb the bridge from max altitude and call it a day?
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Oops.quote:As tempting as it is to pop the Zeppelin, working for UNICUM might be a little...awkward after we blew up their warehouse. True, but it might be wise to keep from having too many people on the minus side of the ledger, even if there are some awkward client meetings!
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It's fascinating that in this simulation of modern air combat, the most effective method of dogfighting is to bomb the poo poo out of your opponents before they even take off. The IJN clearly had the right idea.
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aphid_licker posted:Can't we just send two Stinkbugs to bomb the bridge from max altitude and call it a day? Yes. You can absolutely go for a minimalist mission with the caveat to turn around if certain bad things happen. We're a PMC, not a national military. If a goal isn't met we just don't get paid. In fact we might get paid more to un-gently caress the situation we just caused. You can totally instruct me to send two birds, follow a path, and run away if the hostile CAP comes up.
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I wonder if the Angolan government *can* throw Apple and Tesla out, given they have a tougher army than we do and we were enough to topple the prior government.
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You can't spell "procurement debate" without "fist" and I'll punch anyone who tries to argue otherwise
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Yooper posted:F-16s duked it out over the Pyrenees. No word on who was actually fighting who. 
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I wanna team up with the French Foreign Legion.
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Mission commentary: Pop the zeppelin is probably easier than protect the zeppelin. Our Saab and our Gripens can easily classify targets and two meteors on the correct target will ensure mission success. Testing Akefs also seems to indicate they're better on the offensive than on the defensive. Protect the zeppelin is fine too. In that case it's more an issue of intelligence and careful management of the resulting furball. Keep in mind we better gun people down in BVR, because if we lose one big plane like an Akef or a Gripen that's like losing the entire mission+destructobuck payout. Defend the bridge - ha nope. We wouldn't be bad at this but we're far more specialized for an A2G op especially given there are two A2A ops on offer that will probably eat our A2A assets. Destroy the bridge - not easy, but not too difficult for us. Local SEAD followed by big bombs. Someone suggested F-117 GPS bombing from stealth without doing SEAD but the problem is that air defenses will shoot down long-range bombs no problem. If you wanted to do a simple op with no SEAD, letting loose with a full rack of SDBs might saturate air defenses. Trap the air assets - I think we'd be good at this. Alpha strike with meteors and follow it up with Bisons or Akefs. But the risk level requires a lot of A2A assets and an expensive bill in meteors. Respond to the trap - seems tricky. More complications to the mission for no gain. Recon - this op could be easier than it looks, as we don't have to follow up our SEAD with more strikes, just zoom the recon plane over and GTFO. Blanket the AOO in ALARMs and then skedaddle. We don't have to hang out for a few hours like we had to with the previous two operations.
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I'm curious as to why the newsletter makers stole the logo of The Russian Knights from Kubinka for the top right. Random GIS or something more sinister?
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Taco Thursday??? 
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Grizzwold posted:Taco Thursday??? Oh dear. Are we seriously going to have the Taco Day Wars begin here?
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tbh that doesn't sound like it'd be out of place in this setting. Hired Goons fight in the taco wars against a bunch of other mercs to settle a dumb argument.
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