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VictorianQueerLit posted:This is like a 50 point raw loving. I guess the worst part of this is that the dreamers will think their dream was only stopped by greedy corporations and if they hadn't dared to try and make their savior fulfill his contractual obligations they would have gotten the Space Matrix they always wanted. 
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spacetoaster posted:So, I said in the OP that it's the end times for CIG. Ehhhh this is just a contract dispute with Crytek and has nothing to do with how much of a huge loving scam the game is, how Roberts is a piece of poo poo, etc. Crytek appears to be mad that CIG is using its tech in Squadron 42 (seems like a legit question whether it counts as a separate game or not), that CIG isn't displaying their logo enough (who cares), and that CIG switched horses to Lumberyard (potentially a reasonable beef).
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Bold Robot posted:Ehhhh this is just a contract dispute with Crytek and has nothing to do with how much of a huge loving scam the game is, how Roberts is a piece of poo poo, etc. Crytek appears to be mad that CIG is using its tech in Squadron 42 (seems like a legit question whether it counts as a separate game or not), that CIG isn't displaying their logo enough (who cares), and that CIG switched horses to Lumberyard (potentially a reasonable beef). "all that's in question in this lawsuit are these three huge and obvious breaches of contract, i don't see how that's a big deal at all"
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food court bailiff posted:"all that's in question in this lawsuit are these three huge and obvious breaches of contract, i don't see how that's a big deal at all" Without reading the GLA/contract it's hard to say whether these are huge and obvious. This is one side of the story and if the complaint didn't make it sound completely like a slam dunk for Crytek their lawyers wouldn't be doing a very good job. This is not some kind of headshot where Roberts is getting loving owned, this looks like a pretty standard breach of contract action. My point is that even if all of this is true, what does it have to do with the end user? Star Citizen is funny as gently caress because Roberts took $160 million of nerds' money and will never deliver anything close to what they want. Whether CIG is displaying Crytek's logo big enough is hard to get excited about.
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food court bailiff posted:"all that's in question in this lawsuit are these three huge and obvious breaches of contract, i don't see how that's a big deal at all" I know when I fill out an extensive legal contract with lawyers present dealing with branding and marketing of my product it's perfectly fine to respond "Who Cares" when sued in a court of law for breaching the contract for removing my branding and not marketing my product. Precedent: Nobody v Anyone Ever I also know the bank is going to be perfectly fine with the game I used as Collateral for millions of dollars of loans are the subject of lawsuits. Who cares.
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They are making a different game with their engine which they are not allowed to do. Did you read any of that legal stuff posted above?
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Bold Robot posted:Without reading the GLA/contract it's hard to say whether these are huge and obvious. This is one side of the story and if the complaint didn't make it sound completely like a slam dunk for Crytek their lawyers wouldn't be doing a very good job. my man i read multiple complaints, briefs and random court filings on scribd every day just because i really like how hard lawyers can clown on people, and let me tell you, this is absolutely a slam dunk for Crytek
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food court bailiff posted:my man i read multiple complaints, briefs and random court filings on scribd every day just because i really like how hard lawyers can clown on people, and let me tell you, this is absolutely a slam dunk for Crytek Well Croberts did an ingenious thing - he renamed his licensed CryEngine to StarEngine and removed all the logos to avoid all the royalties. This guy is really pulling himself up by the bootstraps and taking his tiny indie studio of volunteers to the next level! Evil engine licensers, your days are numbered!!! "One weird trick this ex-car salesman did to save MILLIONS on engine licensing fees. He has corporate lawyers fuming!!!" Rad Russian fucked around with this message at 21:35 on Dec 13, 2017 |
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lol did he really do that I can't tell what's real anymore
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Here's a video CIG posted TODAY. Take a look at those error messages. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ru3zwjVMP3A&t=50s 
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Fartbox posted:lol did he really do that https://starcitizen.tools/Star_Engine
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spacetoaster posted:Here's a video CIG posted TODAY. "CryEngine warning" lol
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Fartbox posted:"CryEngine warning" lol That's beautiful.
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Has anyone posted Croberts failing miserably at playing his own game yet? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZWq8ynUq7wM
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Bold Robot posted:seems like a legit question whether it counts as a separate game or not It's a legit question whether selling one thing separately from another thing makes them separate things?
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Stale Saltines posted:Has anyone posted Croberts failing miserably at playing his own game yet? Twenty loving minutes for him to walk down some empty lifeless hallways in order to enter a ship and then awkwardly fart off into space Certainly seems like a thrilling gaming experience. Even he looks bored senseless by it and even utters "Exciting stuff huh?" ironically at one point like he's dissing his own game
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Fashionable Jorts posted:ArmA is definitely a thing you want to play online with friends; either people you know in person, or a good group of reliable internet friends. Playing it solo the sheer size of the game, amount of downtime, and lack of accomplishment can quite often be frustrating and lead to you getting bored pretty quick. The campaign isnt bad, but not worth the price tag, multiplayer is where that game shines. Arma III has a dungeon master mode called Zeus which lets you up-end the box of army men wherever you want on the map for your friends to play with. It takes someone with the will to do it, but you (as Zeus) can give them a little mission over here while fiddling with making something more complicated or triggering reinforcements over there. Then, you can drop a friendly soldier into the game, possess it, and fight alongside your buddies, or do the same with an enemy and shoot at them instead. Or you can roleplay a hostage and help them rescue you. Really, whatever you wanna do. It's super cool, even though it's still arma and is generally a pain in the rear end to convince it to be a fun game.
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Rad Russian posted:Well Croberts did an ingenious thing - he renamed his licensed CryEngine to StarEngine and removed all the logos to avoid all the royalties. This guy is really pulling himself up by the bootstraps and taking his tiny indie studio of volunteers to the next level! Evil engine licensers, your days are numbered!!! "Your honour, it is plain to see that my client actually did the plaintiff a favour by not associating them or their game engine with the Star Citizen brand. CryTek is in a better position today than they would be if their name or trademarks had appeared in the works of my client. Thus it no actual damages were incurred."
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Bistromatic posted:I so hope we get good coverage of the actual trial. "Your honor. We can't possibly be guilty because there is no evidence of a game."
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doctorfrog posted:Arma III has a dungeon master mode called Zeus which lets you up-end the box of army men wherever you want on the map for your friends to play with. It takes someone with the will to do it, but you (as Zeus) can give them a little mission over here while fiddling with making something more complicated or triggering reinforcements over there. Then, you can drop a friendly soldier into the game, possess it, and fight alongside your buddies, or do the same with an enemy and shoot at them instead. Or you can roleplay a hostage and help them rescue you. Really, whatever you wanna do. It's super cool, even though it's still arma and is generally a pain in the rear end to convince it to be a fun game. I always figured the next nerd who could come up with an easy game where friends can tailor the game experience for eachother would be the next nerd millionaire. Like a D&D game, but a videogame... so you have one or multiple guys (game masters) setting up the world and interfering/building/possessing and spawning monsters and poo poo... all sorts of stuff while a group of players quest/fight/adventure through it
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Fartbox posted:I always figured the next nerd who could come up with an easy game where friends can tailor the game experience for eachother would be the next nerd millionaire. Like a D&D game, but a videogame... so you have one or multiple guys (game masters) setting up the world and interfering/building/possessing and spawning monsters and poo poo... all sorts of stuff while a group of players quest/fight/adventure through it Now that would be a cool game. Basically something like Baulder's Gate but you can create the dialog/quests/etc and have the DM create events on the go and stuff.
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divinity original sin 2 has not one but two different modes that do exactly what you nerds are talking about, differing mostly in how much prep work is required beforehand the reason it hasn't taken the world by storm yet is because in general people have way shittier ideas for games than they actually think, same reason the nwn stuff always stayed so niche
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I loved Neverwinter Nights and played online a bit (not the MMO). It wasn't too bad actually. You just have to find a good persistent server.
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No woman, no cry[engine] Truly a requiem for shitizens
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Ive been reading along with this thread and while the land stuff is funny but Im just not feeling the schadenfreude around Star Citizen in general.
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Pennywise the Frown posted:I loved Neverwinter Nights and played online a bit (not the MMO). It wasn't too bad actually. You just have to find a good persistent server. My friends and I would play on this one server together and some idiot kept using the Time Stop spell and it would freeze the entire server, not just the location he was in. Often they'd just log out right after it too so you'd be stuck until an admin came online.
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Meme Emulator posted:Ive been reading along with this thread and while the land stuff is funny but Im just not feeling the schadenfreude around Star Citizen in general. It's the same thing that happened with r/incels. You look at those people and at first you're like, "Okay these crazies are loving hilarious." Slowly you begin to realize that they are indeed mentally ill and all of a sudden you're like, "am I bad for laughing at people that obviously have some kind of serious personality disorder?" It just starts to get less funny as you notice that something so absurd it must be a joke really isn't and the only people more mentally ill than the people buying it are the people selling it. It's just kind of numbingly disquieting.
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food court bailiff posted:divinity original sin 2 has not one but two different modes that do exactly what you nerds are talking about, differing mostly in how much prep work is required beforehand 
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Dunno if this has been posted but Crytek is suing CIG for breach of contract over the CryEngine->Lumberyard switch  https://kotaku.com/crytek-sues-star-citizen-makers-for-breaching-contract-1821269577 quote:As Crytek struggled to pay its employees, a large number of staff left the company for positions at CIG’s neighboring office in Frankfurt, Germany. In December 2016, CIG announced that it had switched to Amazon’s Lumberyard engine, which is based on CryEngine—and which, ironically, may have saved Crytek from bankruptcy.
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Mein Kampf Enthusiast posted:Dunno if this has been posted but Crytek is suing CIG for breach of contract over the CryEngine->Lumberyard switch Yeah. We're already on that. 
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CIG's press release led them confirming that they switched engines. Amazing.
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Pretty sure this is Crytek looking for an out on their financial troubles and getting really desperate. I hope this falls through and SC keeps trucking along and the cost just wrecks crytek for trying to take a petty shot at nothing to solve their problem instead of having a viable business.
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Milky Moor posted:CIG's press release led them confirming that they switched engines. "As you can see we are not bound by the contract because we broke it a long time ago and broken things don't work? Or something? I don't know where I was going with this one." -The World's Most Brilliant Lawyer, 2017
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Pac-Manioc Root posted:Pretty sure this is Crytek looking for an out on their financial troubles and getting really desperate. I hope this falls through and SC keeps trucking along and the cost just wrecks crytek for trying to take a petty shot at nothing to solve their problem instead of having a viable business. Source your quotes.
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tbh crytek is a really garbage company that has been going through tons of layoffs but that doesn't magically void their existing contracts if they're looking for some cash they'll likely get it. sc is founded on taking money from stupid people, crytek could just claim turnabout
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The Skeleton King posted:A 20 year playthrough for the Let's Players; 4 million years for everyone else. this is a v good relativity joke that i feel people missed
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Crytek is a dumpster fire run by a pair of incompetent germans, who more than once has stopped giving paychecks to their employees with zero communication. ~meanwhile~ Star Citizen is a scam that cares far more about appearances -- so keeping the crytek failure stink away from themselves -- than delivering anything tangible or upholding their contracts. 
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