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Asproigerosis posted:Hi why do these yorkshire terriers keep eating all my drugs and becoming addicts thanks Did you get invaded by that weirdly frequent yorkie pack? Make a new animal area thats everything outside and only a little sliver to their feeding squares and beds indoors. Then sell the fuckers next chance you get before anyone bonds with your goddamn druggie dogs. I like to think of them was rimworld's tribbles.
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Asproigerosis posted:Hi why do these yorkshire terriers keep eating all my drugs and becoming addicts thanks rimworld.txt e: Brin dumped Ambassador and he wants to go crawling back to Lavina  
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Dec 24, 2017 02:11
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misguided rage posted:The guy doing the dumping is still gonna be sad every time he goes over there, and if it's far enough away that you're not passing by it on the way to doing other things then the extra time hauling is more than you'd spend burying them anyway. untrue on both counts; the amount of time required to dig and refill grave is enough time for a pawn to walk halfway across a medium map and back (which is WAY more than enough to get out of town) and 'saw corpse' thoughts do not stack directly so whomever is doing the hauling is already sad as they're going to be for the next hour or so. you see 'saw corpse' thoughts 'stacking' because the thought has a cooldown that is shorter than its duration, so if you refuse to move bodies it becomes a bigger problem - if you shove the drat things out of sight then it's not an issue. e: there's also the note that graves are very heavy -beauty so if you're putting those close to town you're just contributing to the ever-lovely "hideous environment" thought
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Dec 24, 2017 06:00
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That really depends a lot on the skill of the grave digger, if you have a highly skilled and/or high manip guy constructing graves it takes very little time. Not that I'm a fan of graves, but that isn't because it takes a lot of time to dig them (I'd rather butcher them or burn them). Also if you do bother with graves, yeah you should decorate them with monuments and flowers like real cemeteries are decorated.
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Dec 24, 2017 06:23
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i just don't see the point in a grave at all. distracting a skilled constructor makes the time cost even higher imo, since you have to also question what that constructor could have been building otherwise (if nothing else, beds to sell or walls to help in the NEXT attack). just have some clod hauler throw stranger corpses around a convenient corner or near the edge of the map. if someone you actually care about dies, you don't want a grave, you want a sarcophagus both for the immediate happy thought to counter the bad ones, and for the persistent beauty bonus it will give you. hell, you can place a sarcophagus in the drat dining room for people to easily pay their respects and its presence is outright good because it increases the richness and impressiveness of the room. i kinda came to this after trying a couple of different things, including building wooden sarcophagi for dead strangers for the happy thoughts it gave my colonists, but the reality is that any resources (land or effort) allocated to stranger corpses is wasted. even crematoriums don't really make sense until super late game when you've got so many bodies it's a pain to get rid of them all; though i can definitely see an argument for them earlier if you want to just drop a trade beacon and stockpile underneath the crematorium so you can just sell the trash you strip off corpses for extra chump change. Coolguye fucked around with this message at 06:37 on Dec 24, 2017 |
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Dec 24, 2017 06:34
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Coolguye posted:i just don't see the point in a grave at all. distracting a skilled constructor makes the time cost even higher imo, since you have to also question what that constructor could have been building otherwise (if nothing else, beds to sell or walls to help in the NEXT attack). just have some clod hauler throw stranger corpses around a convenient corner or near the edge of the map. if someone you actually care about dies, you don't want a grave, you want a sarcophagus both for the immediate happy thought to counter the bad ones, and for the persistent beauty bonus it will give you. hell, you can place a sarcophagus in the drat dining room for people to easily pay their respects and its presence is outright good because it increases the richness and impressiveness of the room. If you've never played dwarf fortress until the ends, you do a drat good impression of it. I just like the idea of a grave of my guys and a grave of their guys outside the wall to warn them, to warn them motherfucker.
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Dec 24, 2017 06:48
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The game isn't totally about maximum efficiency and it's OK to have suboptimal poo poo like decorated graves that your emo colonists who are into that sort of thing can hang out at  Sarcophagi are way cooler though, that's true, but you can plant a bed of roses around your dead cat's grave and have a huge statue of a surgeon cutting off a guy's dick decorating it instead and that counts for something e: AAAAAAAAAAAA
Flesh Forge fucked around with this message at 07:10 on Dec 24, 2017 |
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Dec 24, 2017 07:02
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Flesh Forge posted:The game isn't totally about maximum efficiency and it's OK to have suboptimal poo poo like decorated graves that your emo colonists who are into that sort of thing can hang out at 
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Dec 24, 2017 07:56
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This game really seems to hate gardening. My 11 skill passionate gardener just loving refuses to go pick some ready to harvest strawberries. I have taken off every other priority and he just sits idle. This is the second game in a row where this happens. What am I doing wrong? He seems to occasionally harvest some stuff, so I don't think I have to manually select every loving plant and tell him to harvest it. But I'm running low on food because of his lazyness, so I may have to.
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Dec 24, 2017 08:08
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Demon_Corsair posted:This game really seems to hate gardening. My 11 skill passionate gardener just loving refuses to go pick some ready to harvest strawberries. I have taken off every other priority and he just sits idle. This is the second game in a row where this happens. This happens to me when I forget to change out allowed areas or stockpiles. Did you assign him indoors? Wait. Also, harvesting is different from sowing and I think counts as hauling.
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Dec 24, 2017 08:22
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In the vanilla game they're the same labor but I'm not sure which task is done first - but in any case he shouldn't be sitting there idling unless he has some zone restriction or is incapable of "plant work" (but you'd have noticed that)
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Dec 24, 2017 08:27
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Coolguye posted:i just don't see the point in a grave at all. distracting a skilled constructor makes the time cost even higher imo, since you have to also question what that constructor could have been building otherwise (if nothing else, beds to sell or walls to help in the NEXT attack). just have some clod hauler throw stranger corpses around a convenient corner or near the edge of the map. if someone you actually care about dies, you don't want a grave, you want a sarcophagus both for the immediate happy thought to counter the bad ones, and for the persistent beauty bonus it will give you. hell, you can place a sarcophagus in the drat dining room for people to easily pay their respects and its presence is outright good because it increases the richness and impressiveness of the room.
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Dec 24, 2017 11:15
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Flesh Forge posted:In the vanilla game they're the same labor but I'm not sure which task is done first - but in any case he shouldn't be sitting there idling unless he has some zone restriction or is incapable of "plant work" (but you'd have noticed that) If it's fully grown and in a growing zone, it will be harvested as a Growing job, I believe even if the zone has sowing disabled. You can use this to micromanage "incapable of plant cutting/dumb labor" colonists into harvesting wild trees/berries at 100% growth.
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Dec 24, 2017 11:19
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Flesh Forge posted:In the vanilla game they're the same labor but I'm not sure which task is done first - but in any case he shouldn't be sitting there idling unless he has some zone restriction or is incapable of "plant work" (but you'd have noticed that) ShadowHawk posted:If it's fully grown and not in a growing zone, it won't be harvested unless you've selected it for harvest, in which case it uses the Plant Cut job. To my knowledge, in the vanilla game harvesting is always confusingly put under the "Plant Cut" labor, because this game isn't obtuse enough, apparently.
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I'm actually wondering if dropping a wind turbine on top removed the growing zone and that's why he won't automatically harvest. Edit: That was it. Half the field was no longer a growing zone. Is there a way to prioritize a hauler to take all of a certain thing? Now that I have picked the berries I want to move them to the kitchen, but my hauler has decided a random chunk of steel is her priority. I can only seem to tell her to haul one pile of berries before she runs off again. Demon_Corsair fucked around with this message at 17:08 on Dec 24, 2017 |
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Dec 24, 2017 17:02
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Demon_Corsair posted:Is there a way to prioritize a hauler to take all of a certain thing? Now that I have picked the berries I want to move them to the kitchen, but my hauler has decided a random chunk of steel is her priority. I can only seem to tell her to haul one pile of berries before she runs off again. It's all mods, but: I think work tab let's you change subjob priorities. Allow tool gives adds a priority haul tool for a more brute force approach. And I'm pretty sure there's one called "please haul perishables" that makes haulers prioritize things that will degrade within the year (pretty much just food). Keeshhound fucked around with this message at 19:47 on Dec 24, 2017 |
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Dec 24, 2017 17:51
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Finally getting some proper teaching classes going: That's a really neat mod even if you don't want to mess with the whole children thing, having trainers teaching other colonists stuff is just neat. e: the "Learn [skill]" job does have an age req of between 4 and 16 though, looks like (no one else will come do it) Flesh Forge fucked around with this message at 18:11 on Dec 24, 2017 |
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Dec 24, 2017 18:06
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Whatever mod adds fertilizer and let's you burn corpses into compost is great.
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gently caress this game is frustrating. And for all the wrong reasons. One dude with a priority 4 cut plants loves it and will do it instead of any other task unless its priority one. One person loves building so much that when I tell her to prioritize mining, she walks over, looks at the rock, decides gently caress that back to building! Is there a mod or something that makes the priority levels actually work
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Dec 24, 2017 19:16
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Demon_Corsair posted:gently caress this game is frustrating. And for all the wrong reasons. One dude with a priority 4 cut plants loves it and will do it instead of any other task unless its priority one. One person loves building so much that when I tell her to prioritize mining, she walks over, looks at the rock, decides gently caress that back to building! are you sure you understand how they work? they are evaluated from left to right, anything with a lower priority number gets done first
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Loving the new named geographical features
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Demon_Corsair posted:gently caress this game is frustrating. And for all the wrong reasons. One dude with a priority 4 cut plants loves it and will do it instead of any other task unless its priority one. One person loves building so much that when I tell her to prioritize mining, she walks over, looks at the rock, decides gently caress that back to building! Priorities work in a really robotic way. The only things all pawns at all times should have priority 1 in my opinion is firefighting and being a patient. Getting a supply chain working with only priorities is like sudoku mixed with lemmings. I find temporary area restriction (you do nothing but haul around the home area today), selecting blueprints and forbidding work (so that you can unforbid plans bit by bit) and time of day management (if you've more than like 8 pawns you should make a night shift hauler) are things I endlessly tinker with. I think hauling (perishables left by the day shift), or use of a work station (double research by having two researchers on shifts) are the only things worth putting on night shift, everything else can work concurrently during the day.
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A Moose posted:Loving the new named geographical features VERY NICE! Lavinia and her piece of poo poo husband are mending fences:  What could have changed? 
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boar guy posted:are you sure you understand how they work? they are evaluated from left to right, anything with a lower priority number gets done first Is mining a single stone a bunch of actions and not just one? I would tell her mining was her priority, she would tap it once then run back to her regular duties. The other guy had cooking 2 and cutting 4, with a bill to make 250 simple meals and top up below 150. There was so much corn that I had to build a new supply since my freezer was full. I actually ran out of meals because cutting grass for the free fire area in front of my bunkers was more fun. My hauler right now is a night owl and for the most part it's nice. She will run around stocking up all the crafting areas so when someone gets to it all the materials are already there. Getting a good kitchen production line is tough though.
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I want to say that they will do what you tell them to with the "prioritize" command exactly once, unless it is also something they have a high priority to do anyway, which works for hauling and constructing, but not so much for crafting or mining or cooking or basically anything.
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Demon_Corsair posted:Is mining a single stone a bunch of actions and not just one? I would tell her mining was her priority, she would tap it once then run back to her regular duties. yep. if you manually override a priority by right clicking they'll just do what you tell them once. for a dedicated miner, i set priority 1 for firefight, patient, doctor, switch and mine. nothing else. maybe haul and clean at 2 in case she runs out of stuff to mine.
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You can hold shift now and force jobs the next jobs in order to stop a pawn say grabbing one bag of meat and leaving the others. i think you can do it up to 10 times. But if its not something the pawn feels like its on the circuit for, be it sleep allocated time or whatever, they'll do those tasks and nothing else and work left to right priorities based on what is available to do and where. Realistically you'll want to have a lot of 4s and 0 priorities. For example if you have a super miner guy, disable all hauling for him. Game is ridiculously in depth.
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Note if you have a work table job that uses an "unfinished" item and a pawn starts that job and goes off to do something else, that job (not necessarily other jobs on that table) is locked up until completed. Eg. If you're using a bulk meals job, meal production will stop unless you have other meal jobs queued behind the unfinished one, or you have multiple cook tables (stoves or whatever). e: You can do this and it helps: 
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The AI is bad about going to work without eating first so that might be what's happening. I think it can be fixed by scheduling one or two hours of joy activities in the morning. In unrelated news, are there any really good mods that are available on the forums but not the workshop for whatever reason? There doesn't seem to be that many but figured I'd ask.
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Flesh Forge posted:Note if you have a work table job that uses an "unfinished" item and a pawn starts that job and goes off to do something else, that job (not necessarily other jobs on that table) is locked up until completed. Eg. If you're using a bulk meals job, meal production will stop unless you have other meal jobs queued behind the unfinished one, or you have multiple cook tables (stoves or whatever). also if a crafter dies in the middle of making something you have to click on the unfinished item and cancel it to free up the bench/smith/whatever
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Good point 
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Also, with the hospitality mod, people will craft stuff for you. When they dont finish, and leave, then you’ll have unfinished whatever clutter in up your workshop for all time.
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Dec 24, 2017 21:41
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Dalaram posted:Also, with the hospitality mod, people will craft stuff for you. When they dont finish, and leave, then you’ll have unfinished whatever clutter in up your workshop for all time. click on the unfinished item and hit cancel - it'll refund the materials and cancel the job
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I've had to break my "no rerolling pawns" rule because holy poo poo are pyromaniacs super common now.
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Dec 24, 2017 22:18
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There's too many things that make a pawn nearly unusable for me to not ever reroll. It's one thing to deal with a depressive slowpoke who sucks at everything and refuses to clean, it's another thing to deal with a pyromaniac who refuses to do anything.
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Dec 24, 2017 22:24
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AceClown posted:I've had to break my "no rerolling pawns" rule because holy poo poo are pyromaniacs super common now. Yeah I’ve also been doing No Rerolls* where I reroll only to remove annoying handicaps. Things I reroll: Terrible Traits - Pyromaniac - Nudist - Abrasive - etc Permanent Injuries - Anxiety - Scars - Addictions - Asthma - Bad Back - etc Hated job types beyond one or two. I don’t reroll for skills or passion, and I don’t reroll negative but balanced traits. I figure I can pick up people with these problems, so why bother starting the game with them.
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Nudist is actually really good if you can support it (e.g. climate is safe for it), it gives a gigantic all-the-time happy thought for running around airing out your junk. Lavinia has another bun in the oven! Or I guess, some tako on the sushi table! 
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Flesh Forge these two mods really do not seem right together
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Dec 24, 2017 23:03
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On that note, protip don't try to give a tiny child the psionic lobe, it, ah, isn't good for them 
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I love nudist if I can get it on a crafter or cook or something that stays in the base all the time. Nudists are super happy all the time with their goods flapping in the breeze.
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