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Maxwell Lord posted:I'd say Gojira has, not necessarily a note of hope, but a strong ethical sense for the nuclear era- Serizawa's choice is one others will have to make if we're to survive. Yes. The reason why I can't say it's even got a note of hope is the ending. The rumination that there are more horrors like Godzilla waiting in the depths that they could awaken with such reckless behavior. Though Godzilla King of the Monsters used the same ending but did manage to have some hope to it. I do genuinely appreciate King of the Monsters as its own film- it works mostly flawlessly with Gojira just from another character's perspective. My ideal version of Gojira would just have Raymond Burr edited into the background of some scene or other taking notes or one of his media scenes spliced in. King of the Monsters has two lines in it that make it invaluable to me as a monster movie. One of them is even, to me, superior to its counterpart in Gojira. " The menace was gone... so was a great man. But the whole world could wake up and live again. " Which is a great line entirely for who it came from. Steve Martin in universe and out was removed from the other characters enough to take that kind of hopeful outlook on things, compared to the rest who could only mourn who had been lost and what could come next. But then there is this " Then you have a responsibility no man has ever faced. You have your fear which might become reality. And you have Godzilla, which *is* reality. " This is just a god drat good line. King of the Monsters isn't as good a movie as Shin or Gojira, of course, but it stands heads and shoulders above its American contemporaries and is a fascinating film from a historical stand point. The original to me is untouchable beyond some unfortunate puppet shots. Shin isn't as great a film but drat if it isn't one of the best in the franchise. The only other movie that MIGHT beat it is Return of Godzilla and that's a huge dice roll.
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Watching Mothra for the first time and I love how the movie ends up in this weird made up American/European hybrid city.
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Burkion posted:The original to me is untouchable beyond some unfortunate puppet shots. This is true, and also I still can't square the fact that one of the first people the Japanese government calls after the initial shipping disasters is a renowned Paleontologist, for some reason.
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Teenage Fansub posted:Watching Mothra for the first time and I love how the movie ends up in this weird made up American/European hybrid city. A U.S./U.S.S.R. hybrid, to be precise, which makes it all the funnier. Mothra rules.
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The scene where Godzilla first reveals himself from behind a mountain is, to me, one of the scariest shots in all of film. For some reason it automatically transports me back to age 7 when I watched it for the first time. It's helped by the fact that the original Godzilla design has such an element of cruel, belligerent stupidity to it. Later Godzillas (I haven't seen Shin yet and I hear this is more an exception) always seemed to have a bit more intelligence or awareness.
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Burkion posted:It's definitely blood, it's just Shin's blood. Burkion posted:For the lack of blood, it's just a matter of scale. Seriously, I'm a bit of a dunderhead, so it took my 3rd or so viewing to be like "oh, poo poo, this really looks like the 2011 aftermath, this is bad" and not "oh aha wait is that a shoe some guy lost in that wreckage while Yaguchi silently honors/apologizes to the populace?" or "lol anno and his trains/power lines." Since I've known Godzilla since a young kiddo, he's never been scary to me/I never got the implications. It took that many watches for the latter to fade enough for me to really be able to appreciate the horror and the weight of how many people died/were affected in this film. It hits very hard now, but on contemplating how much Godzilla blood we see versus very little 'human damage' it made me start to think. And well, honestly, my first exposure to Anno was actually my brothers showing me EoE when I was ten, of which the Asuka death scene made the biggest impression and the only thing I remembered/was coherent knowledge of NGE aside from that scene of Unit-01 eating Zeruel for eh about a decade, so for me, 'gratuitous' and Anno aren't necessarily...  Burkion posted:Though, that is something that is unique to the original film if you've never seen it. We get to explicitly see the victims of Godzilla's attack and actions, through out the film. The burned bodies that washed ashore and those that survived after the city was destroyed. It's some of the strongest stuff in Gojira and entirely unique to that film and its tone. Basically my childhood remembrance of Godzilla generally is: Godzilla: of course the best and when he goes from bad guy to good guy it's awesome go go godzilla! Bambi vs. Godzilla [...wait monty python didn't do this?] King Kong: They're enemies, then they take turns smashing a pagoda(?) to Decide Something (????), and then they're cool Mothra: She is Awesome because she is the Good Guy in fights and I liked her cry Gamera: Turtle guy? boring Rodan: name sounds familiar Ghidorah: GHIDORAH BEST ENEMY my favorite because he looked like a dragon and had three heads and is gold, the three most important components for being cool. I think I even had a little ghidorah figurine whose necks you could barely move. ...wonder what happened to it. Mechagodzilla/robo godzilla/alien-sent godzilla thing(s): oh man godzilla is totally outmatched how is he gonna win this one he just got beat! ???: I've seen gifs of this guy in the thread, the one with the scythes that looks like the pokemon Bisharp, he was a pretty good threat 1998: ... this is the new york lizard egg one, right, i think i saw this in theaters ... Seems like I've got some (re)watching to do, huh. Shame nothing's on netflix. E-flat fucked around with this message at 05:02 on Dec 28, 2017 |
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E-flat posted:???: I've seen gifs of this guy in the thread, the one with the scythes that looks like the pokemon Bisharp, he was a pretty good threat I think you mean Gigan, you should watch that one again because it fuckin' rules. In my top 5 easy.
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King of the Monsters, the American version of Gojira, didn't actually pull any punches when it came to showing the victims of Godzilla. In fact, Raymond Burr the American lead is one of them and that's how he starts the movie- shoved into a hospital filled with the maimed and the dead. It does lessen the context in a few places- the woman and her children are still there but what they say is left untranslated in Japanese. So you don't hear the woman, who is hugging her children close, crying that they'll be with their father soon as a wall of flames comes to consume them And then you see them later, the mother dead and the children orphans.
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Mostly the editing makes KOTM into more of a thriller. By starting on the destruction, they replace the early anxiety- the sense that there's something in the ocean that's lashing out and killing everyone- with more of a sense of certain doom. It's leaner, has more of a driving forward pace. It doesn't really neuter the anti-nuclear message- famously Raymond Burr took it to heart- but the parallels are a little less explicit, and specifically eliminates any allusions to America. (In the original they talk about not making Godzilla's atomic origins public because it might damage international relations, and that's very much talking about the Lucky Dragon incident.)
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Yeah, if it had been a typical Hollywood white washing of a great foreign film, I'd never really defend it. Instead they do an incredible job making the film into something 1950s America would accept without taking away from the point of the whole thing. This was a mainstream success in American theaters, and it had A White Guy and a whole bunch of Japanese talking Japanese people. They even cast Asian American actors to voice the Japanese lines and Asian American Actors to fill in for the Japanese people. It is such a unique film on its own I'm not sure there could be another like it. Godzilla 1985 does not count. Also yeah, compared to the films that came out alongside it, you pretty much just have Them! on the American side to compare it with.
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E-flat posted:Gamera: Turtle guy? boring Gamera and Rodan kick rear end, bud
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Next Godzilla movie needs eternal bros Gigan and Megalon.
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I will lobby for a cinematic return of secret best monster Biollante until the heat death of the universe. It'll never happen because Toho will never forgive that film's failure to make any money, but I can dream. God, Godzilla vs Biollante is so goddamn good. So very, very 80's.
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Also the space ghost rose at the end.
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Tezcatlipoca posted:Also the space ghost rose at the end. I can't think of a single Space Ghost joke, but if I could, I'd post a big picture with it.
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Inescapable Duck posted:I can't think of a single Space Ghost joke, but if I could, I'd post a big picture with it. Same but just describing the thing is funny enough for me.
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Nakajima talks about the dangers of performing in a daikaiju suit https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JbQaGSLLTbE
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Desumaytah posted:I will lobby for a cinematic return of secret best monster Biollante until the heat death of the universe. It'll never happen because Toho will never forgive that film's failure to make any money, but I can dream. Doesn't spacegodzilla have a line about biolante being the reason he exists? Bam, there's your sequel, hope the monkeys paw was worth it
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mandatory lesbian posted:Doesn't spacegodzilla have a line about biolante being the reason he exists? Bam, there's your sequel, hope the monkeys paw was worth it iirc, when Mothra left earth in Battra's place to go stop that meteor, she got a bunch of the orbiting Biollante G-Cell pollen in her wings, which then in turn got all over the rock. It in turn flew through a black hole, then somehow bounced back, and because a wizard did it, the combination of animal, vegetable, and mineral, as well as space magic and radiation created Space Godzilla. And now we're all a little bit dumber for it. Edit: Wait, there's more dumb continuity! After Mecha-King Ghidorah got smashed up, the GDF used the Futurian tech in it to create Super Mechagodzilla. After that whole debacle, when it got trashed, the Japanese Space Agency then cannibalized the parts to make M.O.G.U.E.R.A. for extraterrestrial exploration--he was never intended to be used as an anti-kaiju measure! Choco1980 fucked around with this message at 22:13 on Dec 29, 2017 |
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JANUARY 17 https://twitter.com/GODZILLA_ANIME/status/949839889591287808
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I believe they said way back that the Netflix release would be worldwide.
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I'm just curious if any of the other Godzilla baddies will show up and if they'll be suitably giganticized. It's be funny to see regular sized Rodan just perching on Megazilla though.
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I hope that whenever we see the Legendary take on King Ghidorah he's got something more like the old school eerie cackling roar instead of the "Rodan, but worse" special he's been saddled with since 91. Actually, I kind of liked his Final Wars hyena grunting, even though I hated basically everything else about his design in that film.
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Agreed. Rodan and King Ghidorah both peaked in Showa. Every iteration since has been a pale imitation.
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HannibalBarca posted:Agreed. The Godzilla series as a whole peaked in Showa. Every iteration since has been a pale imitation. 
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HannibalBarca posted:Agreed. Rodan and King Ghidorah both peaked in Showa. Every iteration since has been a pale imitation. That's a strong claim to make in the Shin Godzilla thread.
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Ghidorah's chattering is cool and unique and I don't know why they got rid of it.
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Grand Ghidorah's design is great but the actual costume didn't have the budget to make it work right
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I liked the various Ghidorahs from the Mothra series myself.
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Choco1980 posted:I liked the various Ghidorahs from the Mothra series myself. Death Ghidorah has a beautiful costume, especially the quadraped form, but it's not really a traditional Ghidorah design
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Schwarzwald posted:That's a strong claim to make in the Shin Godzilla thread. 1) this is basically the Godzilla general thread 2) there hasn't been a Rodan or Ghidorah iteration since Final Wars????? 3) Showa Godzilla was also the best, fight me
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Well, this thread convinced me to watch Skull Island so thanks for that. Great stuff. I have to get off my rear end and watch some Godzilla films soon, I'm getting a taste for them. Some drat cool giant critters in there. The big stick insect was cute.  Also was the big turtle thing in the opening credits Gamera? He's the big turtle one, right? E: gently caress credits just ended and that post credit scene unreasonably hyped me up
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McDragon posted:E: gently caress credits just ended and that post credit scene unreasonably hyped me up It was so good 
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Toho is the only reason that hasn't happened yet. Gamera's creators have been all for some kind of crossover
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I'll probably get flak for saying that Gamera's really lame.
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Rough Lobster posted:I'll probably get flak for saying that Gamera's really lame. Showa Gamera is utter trash tier. Like, the first movie is just a really bad (and SUPER late!) cash in on Godzilla 1954 that was out dated even by the standards of its release. Barugon is just a boring movie. Gyaos is actually cool and has good fights but looks like poo poo. The rest are sub Megalon level. The worst Gamera movie is so much worse than the worst Godzilla movie. The Heisei Trilogy and Gamera the Brave are very good though. Guardian of the Universe suffers from the Gamera prop looking too much like a muppet, but after that they nail the design. Gamera the Brave is basically the best Kids Movie giant monster movie you're going to find. It goes all in on being a kids rear end kids movie with kid protagonists and a kid Gamera and it does not flinch from it at all. But yeah there's a reason why Gyaos is the only Showa Gamera monster to keep coming back- he was the ONLY GOOD THING in the entire showa era. Gurion was cool though and Barugon had great powers. Shame he was just a big lizard.
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