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Best producer/showrunner?
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Verity Lambert 30 15.31%
Barry Letts 7 3.57%
Phillip Hinchcliffe 32 16.33%
John Nathan-Turner 6 3.06%
Russell T Davies 33 16.84%
Steven Moffat 50 25.51%
Chris Chibnall (I am from the future) 38 19.39%
Total: 196 votes
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docbeard
Jul 19, 2011

Look, I just want Michelle Gomez in a starring role as a chaotic neutral space wizard and I don't care what tortured story logic is necessary to make it happen.

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CobiWann
Oct 21, 2009

Have fun!

Soothing Vapors posted:

I'm picturing something like the episode of Jessica Jones where Kilgrave tries to be a hero, and I like it a lot

You know, the chap who played Kilgrave would make an excellent Doctor.

Soothing Vapors
Mar 26, 2006

Associate Justice Lena "Kegels" Dunham: An uncool thought to have: 'is that guy walking in the dark behind me a rapist? Never mind, he's Asian.
too hammy, imo

Bicyclops
Aug 27, 2004

It's too bad Anthony Ainley is dead, because otherwise, they could have him come back saying, "Ah, I'd thought the Cybermen had killed you and your worthless companion back on that spaceship, Doctor" and when the Doctor said "Didn't you regenerate at least twice and kill both regenerations definitively, forever?" the Master would just shrug.

Big Mean Jerk
Jan 27, 2009

Well, of course I know him.
He's me.
I just want The 5 Masters so that Missy and Simm can be snarky while Eric Roberts continually fucks up all their schemes in his ultra-90s leather trench coat.

Burkion
May 10, 2012

by Fluffdaddy

Big Mean Jerk posted:

I just want The 5 Masters so that Missy and Simm can be snarky while Eric Roberts continually fucks up all their schemes in his ultra-90s leather trench coat.

I read Eric Roberts and immediately thought of the actually famous one

"Wait what? I mean yeah he could work I guess"


Is Hissy involved in this too

The_Doctor
Mar 29, 2007

"The entire history of this incarnation is one of temporal orbits, retcons, paradoxes, parallel time lines, reiterations, and divergences. How anyone can make head or tail of all this chaos, I don't know."

Burkion posted:

I read Eric Roberts and immediately thought of the actually famous one



As opposed to... ?

Burkion
May 10, 2012

by Fluffdaddy

The_Doctor posted:

As opposed to... ?

The one actually in the movie oh my gently caress they're the same person

I thought it was one of those cases of actors sharing the same name when one is waaaay more successful than the other

gently caress. I forgot there was ever a time he didn't look Perpetually 50

corn in the bible
Jun 5, 2004

Oh no oh god it's all true!
just have derek jacobi do it

DoctorWhat
Nov 18, 2011

A little privacy, please?
Alex MacQueen.

Gordon Shumway
Jan 21, 2008

Decius posted:

The problem for me is, that it had 4 great episodes I really enjoyed and then a few average ones to finish the series that were too long and then a really bad series 2. And apparently another series I haven't watched. Which overall doesn't fill me with any confidence.

The third series of Broadchurch was really good.

Jerusalem
May 20, 2004

Would you be my new best friends?

Stabbatical posted:

Nope.

Probably like most things Moffat wrote as things that affect the continuity and/or will have a huge effect on The Doctor forever. They'll be as important going forward as the Cartmel Masterplan.

I firmly believe the Master (Gomez or otherwise) would have shown up again even if Moffat was still the showrunner. Nobody believes the Master is dead.

Gordon Shumway posted:

The third series of Broadchurch was really good.

I still need to watch it, I've heard really good things about it but I still felt burned from the ludicrous court case in the second series.

Mameluke
Aug 2, 2013

by Fluffdaddy
Eric Roberts is a delightful ham and it's a shame there's never been a push to have him reprise his role on the TV show.

Davros1
Jul 19, 2007

You've got to admit, you are kind of implausible



Gordon Shumway posted:

The third series of Broadchurch was really good.

Everything except the "Miller's teenage son watches porn" subplot. That was silly.

aBagorn
Aug 26, 2004

Mameluke posted:

Eric Roberts is a delightful ham and it's a shame there's never been a push to have him reprise his role on the TV show.

He was one of the best parts about the lone good season of Heroes

Gaz-L
Jan 28, 2009

Payndz posted:

I just realised the irony of Capaldi's Doctor saying "Never be cruel... always try to be nice but never fail to be kind". The Doctor whose defining feature was insulting everyone he met, even people he was helping.

Fixed. The 'but' is important. Twelve could be a dick (though, as noted, he mellows after Death In Heaven. Guitar and shades Twelve is by far the version that seems to be the definitive one) but he always tried to help.

TinTower
Apr 21, 2010

You don't have to 8e a good person to 8e a hero.

remusclaw posted:

This is a show that had a war that ended in double genocide and resulted in neither race being actually dead.

How many times have the Daleks been wiped out by now? I’m pretty sure it’s one of the recurring jokes about them, like not being able to navigate stairs.

LividLiquid
Apr 13, 2002

I was recently reminded that I made this after seeing The Rings of Akhaten for the first time and I thought I'd post it here again.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bwB2MBJXsvk

Jerusalem
May 20, 2004

Would you be my new best friends?

Oh my God I love Rings of Akhaten but I always forget how cheap they made those flying (and particularly landing) scenes look.

CobiWann
Oct 21, 2009

Have fun!

Mameluke posted:

Eric Roberts is a delightful ham and it's a shame there's never been a push to have him reprise his role on the TV show.

Isn’t this because Fox owns the rights to the TV movie and they won’t let the BBC use any creative content from it?

It’s one of the reasons we’ve never seen or heard about Grace Halloway as a former Companion during the revival and why anytime Eight does show up in archive footage it’s from The Night of the Doctor.

The_Doctor
Mar 29, 2007

"The entire history of this incarnation is one of temporal orbits, retcons, paradoxes, parallel time lines, reiterations, and divergences. How anyone can make head or tail of all this chaos, I don't know."

CobiWann posted:

Isn’t this because Fox owns the rights to the TV movie and they won’t let the BBC use any creative content from it?

It’s one of the reasons we’ve never seen or heard about Grace Halloway as a former Companion during the revival and why anytime Eight does show up in archive footage it’s from The Night of the Doctor.

That’s definitely not true. Grace has turned up in the comics, and even in the 50th they were using footage from the TV Movie.

CobiWann
Oct 21, 2009

Have fun!

The_Doctor posted:

That’s definitely not true. Grace has turned up in the comics, and even in the 50th they were using footage from the TV Movie.

I'm going off the below paragraph from the TARDIS wiki. You're right about the comics (I forgot about them) but with regards to Eric Roberts' Master...

quote:

Due to FOX's stringent protection over original characters & content, they have repeatedly prohibited the characters of Grace Holloway, Eric Roberts's portrayal of the Master, and Chang Lee (among others) from reappearing in the revival series. Thus, this story marks their only appearances in the series proper (however a photograph of Grace is included among those of other companions in TV: The Day of the Doctor, though only a portion of the photo is visible on screen (it is next to that of the Brigadier). As of 2016, Big Finish Productions has been unable to obtain the audio drama rights to Grace and Chang Lee (though the actors have performed other roles for the company). There appears to be no prohibition on Grace appearing in comics form, however, as she appeared several times in the Doctor Who Magazine comic strip and was featured in IDW's Prisoners of Time comic miniseries.

howe_sam
Mar 7, 2013

Creepy little garbage eaters

Huh, Disney is going to own a piece of Doctor Who.

CommonShore
Jun 6, 2014

A true renaissance man


CobiWann posted:

I'm going off the below paragraph from the TARDIS wiki. You're right about the comics (I forgot about them) but with regards to Eric Roberts' Master...

So Disney owns it now.

e. beaten.

TL
Jan 16, 2006

Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold; Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world

Fallen Rib

Jerusalem posted:

Oh my God I love Rings of Akhaten but I always forget how cheap they made those flying (and particularly landing) scenes look.

IIRC they never showed that bike taking off or landing, presumably because they couldn’t come up with an effect for it that wasn’t embarrassingly lovely.

Davros1
Jul 19, 2007

You've got to admit, you are kind of implausible



CobiWann posted:

I'm going off the below paragraph from the TARDIS wiki. You're right about the comics (I forgot about them) but with regards to Eric Roberts' Master...

I know when Grace appeared in the DWM comic, it was because at the time, DWM didn't know that they couldn't use her.

Sad King Billy
Jan 27, 2006

Thats three of ours innit...to one of yours. You know mate I really think we ought to even up the average!
Not directly linked to Doctor Who but Big Finish are adapting my favourite show Callan.

https://www.bigfinish.com/news/v/callan-returns-after-50-years

I'm very excited about this. The original cast can't be replaced but I look forward to seeing what they can do.

Sad King Billy fucked around with this message at 19:41 on Jan 3, 2018

Timby
Dec 23, 2006

Your mother!

remusclaw posted:

This is a show that had a war that ended in double genocide and resulted in neither race being actually dead.

In fairness, the "Time War" was a pretty ropey concept in the first place, almost as half-baked as the "Temporal Cold War" in Star Trek Enterprise.

Box of Bunnies
Apr 3, 2012

by Pragmatica
Speaking of Masters, James Dreyfus is surprisingly actually really good in the First Doctor Adventures. Has a smooth, sinister Delgado quality to him.

remusclaw
Dec 8, 2009

For a couple of seasons it honestly looked like the Doctor only succeeded in killing his own people.

MrL_JaKiri
Sep 23, 2003

A bracing glass of carrot juice!

Timby posted:

In fairness, the "Time War" was a pretty ropey concept in the first place, almost as half-baked as the "Temporal Cold War" in Star Trek Enterprise.

The two are completely incomparable; the Time War was, and always was, largely a method to deliberately step away from existing continuity while keeping the bits that they liked and could be drip fed to the audience. I'd say it's probably RTD's best idea.

The Temporal Cold War was an underwhelming arc.

MrL_JaKiri
Sep 23, 2003

A bracing glass of carrot juice!

remusclaw posted:

For a couple of seasons it honestly looked like the Doctor only succeeded in killing his own people.

For a nearly a decade - The End of Time is pre-Time War, Gallifrey only came back in the 50th.

Soothing Vapors
Mar 26, 2006

Associate Justice Lena "Kegels" Dunham: An uncool thought to have: 'is that guy walking in the dark behind me a rapist? Never mind, he's Asian.
The Time War, like most RTD ideas, was genius and really dumb at the same

Edward Mass
Sep 14, 2011

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remusclaw posted:

For a couple of seasons it honestly looked like the Doctor only succeeded in killing his own people.

It literally took 11 episodes for that to happen, from the first mention of the Time War to the Dalek warships in Bad Wolf.

Small Strange Bird
Sep 22, 2006

Merci, chaton!

MrL_JaKiri posted:

The Temporal Cold War was an underwhelming arc.
"So who is Future Guy, the mysterious figure providing the Suliban with advanced anachronistic technology as part of a plan to destroy the Federation before it even began?"
*shrugs* "Eh, we dunno. Maybe a Romulan, or something? Who cares?"

The_Doctor
Mar 29, 2007

"The entire history of this incarnation is one of temporal orbits, retcons, paradoxes, parallel time lines, reiterations, and divergences. How anyone can make head or tail of all this chaos, I don't know."

Payndz posted:

"So who is Future Guy, the mysterious figure providing the Suliban with advanced anachronistic technology as part of a plan to destroy the Federation before it even began?"
*shrugs* "Eh, we dunno. Maybe a Romulan, or something? Who cares?"

According to one of the producers, I think, it was Archer himself. Which makes even less sense.

Burkion
May 10, 2012

by Fluffdaddy

The_Doctor posted:

According to one of the producers, I think, it was Archer himself. Which makes even less sense.

You know I'm not sure it does

Archer was clearly insane most of the time, I could see him getting like warp sickness or something and deciding that was a great idea

2house2fly
Nov 14, 2012

You did a super job wrapping things up! And I'm not just saying that because I have to!

remusclaw posted:

For a couple of seasons it honestly looked like the Doctor only succeeded in killing his own people.

To the show's credit he at least acknowledged it, he complained in Daleks In Manhattan that the Time Lords got completely wiped out but the Daleks keep coming back.

I'm not a huge fan of the 50th's "daleks blowing each other up in their own crossfire" resolution, but it does at least make their frequent post-Time-War appearances more understandable

Narsham
Jun 5, 2008

2house2fly posted:

I'm not a huge fan of the 50th's "daleks blowing each other up in their own crossfire" resolution, but it does at least make their frequent post-Time-War appearances more understandable

The Daleks have always been better at killing each other than anyone else ever has.

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Davros1
Jul 19, 2007

You've got to admit, you are kind of implausible



So as you may or may not know, Candy Jar books have been putting out a series of books about the Brig before he was the Brig. So how does this all tie into Capaldi's last ep?

https://twitter.com/StephenNDBB/status/948672605137113088

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