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Raskolnikov
Nov 25, 2003

The Titanic posted:

I think the best thing to come out of Star Citizen is the opportunity to watch a man succeed who literally is a compulsive liar.

You want to believe him. You honestly think you can believe him because he seems to believe what he’s saying.

http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2018/01/michael-wolff-fire-and-fury-book-donald-trump.html

article posted:

This was a real-life version of Mel Brooks’s The Producers, where the mistaken outcome trusted by everyone in Trump’s inner circle — that they would lose the election — wound up exposing them for who they really were.

article posted:

Without a strong chief of staff at the White House, there was no real up-and-down structure in the administration—merely a figure at the top and everyone else scrambling for his attention. It wasn’t task-based so much as response-oriented — whatever captured the boss’s attention focused everybody’s attention.

Seems familiar.

Raskolnikov fucked around with this message at 23:25 on Jan 3, 2018

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kw0134
Apr 19, 2003

I buy feet pics🍆

Hav posted:

No.

The suit has to be acknowledged and counsel submitted for the defense. Then they start horse trading. If you believe a murderbear in a wimple, there will be at least some procedural, but I get the impression that Crytek is going after the marbles, reputation and somehow it's started to feel _personal_.
Only if the talks don't finish within two weeks. Then CIG files a response, which can be a blanket "defendant denies all counts of the complaint," and then the first year associates can fiddle with the court calendar while the big boys hash out a binding settlement. At a convenient point in time, everything gets withdrawn/dismissed and the final settlement gets locked in a folder at Skadden/Ortwin's whisky cabinet and that may well be the end of it.

Even if it's personal, it's still a commercial transaction and who knows? Maybe there's enough spare cash to sate Cryteks desire for blood. I wouldn't put it past CIG to believe that they can totes do a LY conversion, hand everything they've done over to Crytek and say "yo this is totally okay we migrated and everything's cool," while they start from scratch. Given the state of the project, it's garbage and any rational perspective would demonstrate that they've accomplished less than nothing anyway.

Then we can get some fun times when backers finally run out of cash and by extension Crobbers and lo, jack and poo poo was created on LY meaning they've spent 6 years for absolutely nothing.

RattiRatto
Jun 26, 2014

:gary: :I'd like to borrow $200M
:whatfor:
:gary: :To make vidya game
Things are getting real,
The warlord on full burn
Bootcha revealing the hidden story
We just need a high level leave to make it three

ManofManyAliases
Mar 21, 2016
ToastOfManySmarts


Can't post for 3 hours!

hot balls man no homo posted:

Respond to the summons MoMA

Sorry, busy atm.

ManofManyAliases fucked around with this message at 22:43 on Jan 3, 2018

DapperDon
Sep 7, 2016

Combat Theory posted:

Given his absoluteley crusty writing about SQ42 and THE PU instead of SQ42 AND SC, it reads to me like he's just going full damage control mouthpiece on behalf of cig. Sorry beet I'm not buying this guy for one second. He either is deep into the cult approach or he's shilling for cig from my point of view

This. One thing people are wont not to do is make a visible retreat after doubling down on a bad decision. Our pal Chuck has signed up to the SS.Croberts and has no intention of jumping ship. He is most definitely on Damage control duty to save the dream that I do believe he knows is in trouble. Personally I think there has been a greasing of palms between he and CIG in one form or another and has a vested interest besides believing in the dream. So do a lot of Goons here but they won't admit it. Every time one of you mentions that "one day it will release as something" or "If they can get past (insert technobabble here) then they may be able to do it" or my personal favorite of "If CIG could get Chris to step down or new management then there will be a chance of a game" it shows that you believe there is a chance for this game to be made. You believe in the dream and are not the cynical bastards you think you are. There is no way this is ever going to come out. It was a failed game years ago and the only thing propping it up was hope in the form of backers desperate dollars and not any advancement of game technology that was sold to everyone. In fact, they went backwards. The only thing that separates Charlie from the spergs we mock and ridicule into a singularity is that he doesn't just write effort posts on Reddit all day. So Charlie, if you are reading this I need you to know that you aren't fooling all of us and you aren't that gooddamned good at what it is you THINK you do. I may not be a hotshit game dev or have anything to do with software at all, but one thing I can go to the mat on is my project management experience and seeing many large scale projects through from cradle to the grave. And based on that alone, there is nothing about CIG that meets even the lowest bar of competency and without that, you get no game.

Virtual Captain
Feb 20, 2017

Archive Priest of the Stimperial Order

Star Citizen Good, in all things forevermore. Amen.
:pray:

reddit posted:

First of all i'm not an hardcore player of arena commander but i have been playing all differents iterations of it since the beginning.
I'm really into Star Citizen, the scale, the possibilities, the dream of Chris Roberts is mine too. I really don't care about performance issues etc because i know theses will be solved.
What really scare me about Star Citizen (and SQ42) is the flight model/combat feel. I know "everything is subject to changes", bla bla bla. But if any of you is a bit realist Arena Commander was supposed to be the test bed of theses mechanics.
To my vision we never had a great feel of flight and combat in SC. And it really start to bother me
because i don't think item 2.0 will really answer to all the problems. Sure it will bring power management, in depth customisation of your ship etc. Buit it will always feel like pointing at a tiny pixel (mouse or koystick its the same) CIG devoted a lot of tehc and human ressources to bring us wonderfull ship, but we never really see them.
I played Elite for a month or two and did quit it because i couldnt really get into it. But if there is something that work its the flight mechanic in general. When you accelerate or slow down you really feel like your ship has a mass and its like you can feel it back in your joystcik, you have to learn your ship, play with its pro and cons. After one or two week on elite i could really understand that a skilled commander with hundreds of hours experience would kill me easily, not because his ship was more powerfull but ecause he was good.
I know some of you will tell me that we should give CIG some time. But really when you think abotu the number of changes they made to it, Nobody can argue that they still didnt get it right. I'm not asking for something perfect, i know its a very early alpha.
:allears:

Mr.Tophat
Apr 7, 2007

You clearly don't understand joke development :justpost:

TheAgent posted:

can't wait to see this months concept sale lol

Maybe a news APC to follow the tank action

Othin
Nov 20, 2002

Hair Elf

alf_pogs posted:

this is great advice. we got Wally, a twoi-and-a-half year old Orange Boy from a nearby RSPCA shelter. he is an absolute treasure and so lovely and now we can't imagine not having him around. every orange cat i've met has been like that too, just real friendly and sociable.

he was already fixed, and the place we got him from lets us come back and get him checked for free for a few months afterwards, just in case we're worried about him or he's got health issues. the RSPCA shelters also give you a short grace period, if the catte is really not settling in or having massive issues with other pets / people.

Mods, plz ban this citizen for telling us about his catte and not posting a picture.

intardnation
Feb 18, 2016

I'm going to space!

:gary: :yarg:

D_Smart posted:

Nope. It's not as hard as you think. I just addressed this very thing in my Twitter thread.

They have:

- sold SQ42 as a separate product
- used SQ42 as collateral for a loan
- used SQ42 as the reason for tax credits (which are also part of the loan)

Aside from all the marketing, media, separate website etc.

Like I said: dead to rights

Unless Ortwin can poo poo a GLA that says they can develop more than ONE title, they're hosed. Completely. It's game over.

And given the bad blood between Chris and CryTek, they're going to completely destroy him for he did to not only them, but also their company (poaching their key engineers etc).

Make no mistake, this lawsuit is more personal than it is business.

when lawyers go to war for anything other then money (IE what is right,truth etc) the only ones who win are the lawyers.

TheAgent
Feb 16, 2002

The call is coming from inside Dr. House
Grimey Drawer
I can't fuckin wait for the other warlords tweetstorm

alf_pogs
Feb 15, 2012


Othin posted:

Mods, plz ban this citizen for telling us about his catte and not posting a picture.

how dare you sir, wally has paid more tax than many. here are two of him snoozin up a storm



intardnation
Feb 18, 2016

I'm going to space!

:gary: :yarg:

D_Smart posted:

It's a technicality. :grin:

It is 6 yrs old, but only 5 yrs old in dev. We can't even attribute 2011 to pre-production, as that would imply that the work carried over into what they started in 2012.

So basically, 2011 was the marketing preamble to raise money to build the game.

Except, as with similar crowd-funded games, they used proof-of-concept assets masquerading as dev in progress.

that would be the years CR was turned down by publishers and everyone else. But he found another home, one publishers are looking at trying to get their grubs onto now.

Othin
Nov 20, 2002

Hair Elf

alf_pogs posted:

how dare you sir, wally has paid more tax than many. here are two of him snoozin up a storm





:kimchi:

intardnation
Feb 18, 2016

I'm going to space!

:gary: :yarg:

fetching legal documents

Sindai
Jan 24, 2007
i want to achieve immortality through not dying
http://askagamedev.tumblr.com/post/169230027125/things-reported-as-commercial-successes-and

Someone asked the Ask A Game Dev guy about games that were secretly financial success/failures, his go to example of financial boondoggle?

quote:

Let me preface this by saying I obtained this information by speaking with developers with firsthand knowledge of these projects who worked with or under the teams involved at the time. There isn’t much external documentation to corroborate, since most of this stuff is financial and kept quiet by the publishers.

Fail: Privateer (and Wing Commander) under EA

The Privateer and Wing Commander series are held in high regard among many gamers, especially those who are wishing and hoping for Star Citizen to be a success. The later games like Wing Commander 3 and 4, as well as Privateer and its sequel were all well-received by both players and critics. They reviewed well and sold well. However, EA still parted ways with series producer Chris Roberts (more recently of Star Citizen fame) for a good reason - Wing Commander 3 + 4 and Privateer 2 didn’t actually make much money. The biggest problem was that the games consistently ran over budget and over schedule. Roberts pushed super hard into getting Hollywood actors into them, featuring talent like Clive Owen, Mark Hamill, Malcolm McDowell, Christopher Walken, and John Hurt, and was chronically unable to maintain a development schedule or project scope. As a result, Roberts left in 1996 to found Digital Anvil studios with Microsoft backing (and getting acquired in 1997), and then used Microsoft’s money to produce the Wing Commander theatrical movie released in 1999.

shocking

intardnation
Feb 18, 2016

I'm going to space!

:gary: :yarg:

TheAgent posted:

I can't fuckin wait for the other warlords tweetstorm

He is doing awesome though isnt he! Love that goyim.

Hav
Dec 11, 2009

Fun Shoe

kw0134 posted:

Only if the talks don't finish within two weeks.

No. A lawsuit has been filed, there are specific hoops to jump through and this is a request for a jury trial. The next stage is figuring out who is defending CiG and RSI. They cannot meet before counsel has been decided.

kw0134 posted:

Then CIG files a response, which can be a blanket "defendant denies all counts of the complaint,"

This will be response, along with the counsel for the defence being nominated. I can dig out a form response for you, but it follows a quite specific format. A blanket denial will move it with alacrity to the jury trial they request because there is _impasse_.

This is a mediation procedure, and I urge you to go read the complaint. It's not that difficult, but Skadden's aren't fishing for a couple of million. This will rise to the tens of millions at least, based on what CiG has been saying.

Best thing to do is cop to the lesser - no contest - then fight agreements based on a misunderstanding. This all revolves around the GLA, which we have not seen.

You do know one of the Skadden guys deposed Zuckerberg? This is more than a patent troll shakedown.

Redundant
Sep 24, 2011

Even robots have feelings!

ManofManyAliases posted:

Sorry, busy atm.
Busy responding to summons? Playing the mighty 3.0? Eating at risk animals? This is important. For the space court.

Daztek
Jun 2, 2006



Redundant posted:

Busy responding to summons? Playing the mighty 3.0? Eating at risk animals? This is important. For the space court.

Busy trying to sell his space ships on the grey market but nobody's buying :(

Hav
Dec 11, 2009

Fun Shoe

Sindai posted:

shocking

He likes actors so much he wanted to be in one.

Redundant posted:

Busy responding to summons? Playing the mighty 3.0? Eating at risk animals? This is important. For the space court.

Selling Intel, buying AMD.

Hav fucked around with this message at 23:04 on Jan 3, 2018

intardnation
Feb 18, 2016

I'm going to space!

:gary: :yarg:

Beet Wagon posted:

This is kind of a result of his digging around the refunds page, I think. When I first started communicating with Charlie he was very protective of Star Citizen - "rabid" is perhaps too strong a word, but only just. Our first emails back and forth were somewhat... combative. His first foray into /refunds was the big $45k fake, remember. Since then he's had to acknowledge that there are indeed some big backers who are pulling out (or trying to) and that everything may not be sunshine and roses in the land of BDSSEs, and I actually think he's done a pretty decent job of reporting that. I know a lot of people want to poo poo on him, and he's clearly still interested and a supporter of the project, but I think what you're seeing is the actions of a man who has just learned something is a little more complicated than he originally thought.

well any reporter gets both sides and doesnt just go with what they shovel you. but since this is video games that is all people get - sunshine and rainbows and the nasty poo poo is on youtube.
I think Charlie just isnt doing his due diligence and think of him as pond scum just like all other media. right there with politicians,used car salesman and video games salesman.

It really is kinda funny that most of the breaking info and news hits youtube and most of media are gunshy especially the video game industry. Now if it is a pile on story which has happened then that
shaming is kinda different and there were several last year. Well the media loves to run with those.

TheAgent
Feb 16, 2002

The call is coming from inside Dr. House
Grimey Drawer

Daztek posted:

Busy trying to sell his space ships on the grey market but nobody's buying :(
actually the grey market has been surprisingly busy

I'm not going to link any accounts of the buyers (you can flip through them yourself) but

Buyer 1
Reddit Birthday
December 31, 2017

Buyer 2
Reddit Birthday
January 1, 2018

Buyer 3
Reddit Birthday
December 30, 2017

Buyer 4
Reddit Birthday
January 1, 2018

Buyer 5
Reddit Birthday
December 29, 2017

and for some reason

Buyers 6, 7, 8, 9 and more
Reddit Birthday
June 8th, 2017

looks like there's a few legit trades on there as well but the majority seems to be alt accounts propping up the storefronts

intardnation
Feb 18, 2016

I'm going to space!

:gary: :yarg:

Hav posted:

Shelters are the best places, Oranges are the best dudes. Just get them fixed and they'll be fine.

Breeds can be finicky, so siamese can be really high maintenance because they get bored easily, but my best cats have come from farms and woodpiles. They're just 'cat'.

I got a chartreux - 8 years old pure bred from my local shelter 8+ pounds grey beauty. I was someone who was a foster parent and helped while I looked for my cat.
Older ones are great too. He gave me 8 great years. I have one now a long hair and a black cat I almost put down over new years but he is eating again and going thankfully.
All shelter - the black one is heavily abused and was picked up by my brother. He coudnt control him and neither could my mother so he ended up with me. Turns out besides being
burnt as a kitten he is diabetic. Once in check and not scared he is almost a cat again.

intardnation fucked around with this message at 23:20 on Jan 3, 2018

Scruffpuff
Dec 23, 2015

Fidelity. Wait, was I'm working on again?

Hav posted:

He likes actors so much he wanted to be in one.

He failed.

Omniblivion
Oct 17, 2012

Scruffpuff posted:

He failed.

:vince:

Lladre
Jun 28, 2011


Soiled Meat
I am going to re iterate that getting a cat from your local shelter is the right call.
Get one for yourself while you are at it if you can. There are a lot of cats in need of homes.


TheAgent posted:

I can't fuckin wait for the other warlords tweetstorm

That other mega thread is also hilarious to read. But drat does it move fast.

Toops posted:

Lawsuits a big loving nothingburger. Calling it.

:agreed:

iospace
Jan 19, 2038


I want a cat but I'm not good at taking care of pets and allergies :smith:

ManofManyAliases
Mar 21, 2016
ToastOfManySmarts


Can't post for 3 hours!

Daztek posted:

Busy trying to sell his space ships on the grey market but nobody's buying :(

Yeah - thanks for outing Ivan btw.

D_Smart
May 11, 2010

by FactsAreUseless
College Slice

TheAgent posted:

dear god let chris roberts pro se this whole fuckin thing

please papa roberts, you've given me everything else I've wanted

just do this one. last. thing

:laffo::laffo:

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Strangler 42
Jan 8, 2007

SHAVE IT ALL OFF
ALL OF IT
Maybe the reason they're taking so long to respond to the suit is because they can't find anyone to represent them? Find any decent IP law specialist and ask them to defend a company that is reliant on donations for funds, those donations are able to be taken back by dissatisfied customers, the company is likely playing fast an loose with 17 separate companies across the globe, is being sued by the firm that carved off half of a billion dollars off Facebook, has had development issues going back years, etc...

I mean, any good lawyer is going to look at the company and the situation and either laugh as they hang up the phone or demand a huge amount upfront for the uphill battle they are going to fight and probably lose.

AP
Jul 12, 2004

One Ring to fool them all
One Ring to find them
One Ring to milk them all
and pockets fully line them
Grimey Drawer
https://www.twitch.tv/videos/215061920?t=01h19m53s



In today's exciting episode, Twerk17 talks about how Electronic Arts is more accountable than CIG.

mdxi
Mar 13, 2006

to JERK OFF is to be close to GOD... only with SPURTING

Just found out about a game called Helium Rain. It's single-player, but otherwise sounds like it scratches every single itch the citizens have.

The Developer posted:

Helium Rain has a focus on three important elements : realistic handling of ships, long travel times, and a dynamic universe. Ships have lots of inertia, they move in three dimensions, can turn independently from their velocity, and don't have a maximum speed. Fleets can take days to reach a destination, with a travel system that is essentially turn-based and requires you to plan ahead when you manage military fleets. And attacking a cargo ship, destroying resources or blockading an area have meaningful consequences on the world's simulated economy

Oh, and get this: they're using UE4 for the engine, and some store assets, but everything not licensed is in a public Github repo. They also accept patches from players.

The Developer posted:

I'd like to thanks the volunteers who send pull requests with every version...

Where is your Most Open-est Development Ever now, Citizens?

Edit: It costs $15 (but is on sale for $10.50 right now on Steam)

mdxi fucked around with this message at 23:39 on Jan 3, 2018

AP
Jul 12, 2004

One Ring to fool them all
One Ring to find them
One Ring to milk them all
and pockets fully line them
Grimey Drawer

ManofManyAliases posted:

Yeah - thanks for outing Ivan btw.

Have you tried lowering the price? By even more I mean.

D_Smart
May 11, 2010

by FactsAreUseless
College Slice

kw0134 posted:

Only if the talks don't finish within two weeks. Then CIG files a response, which can be a blanket "defendant denies all counts of the complaint," and then the first year associates can fiddle with the court calendar while the big boys hash out a binding settlement. At a convenient point in time, everything gets withdrawn/dismissed and the final settlement gets locked in a folder at Skadden/Ortwin's whisky cabinet and that may well be the end of it.

Even if it's personal, it's still a commercial transaction and who knows? Maybe there's enough spare cash to sate Cryteks desire for blood. I wouldn't put it past CIG to believe that they can totes do a LY conversion, hand everything they've done over to Crytek and say "yo this is totally okay we migrated and everything's cool," while they start from scratch. Given the state of the project, it's garbage and any rational perspective would demonstrate that they've accomplished less than nothing anyway.

Then we can get some fun times when backers finally run out of cash and by extension Crobbers and lo, jack and poo poo was created on LY meaning they've spent 6 years for absolutely nothing.

I agree.

However, the fact that croberts turned around and did some truly awful things to Crytek, this lawsuit is more personal than it is about money. Crytek know they're going to get money anyway, regardless of how it turns out. So they have every incentive to embarrass croberts as much as possible. I believe they will do just that, while dragging it on.

I don't think it will settle. I just don't see it.

For it to settle, RSI/CIG would have to hand over enough money to Crytek that they might as well just give them everything and walk away now. Given their burn rate, and the fact that they were low on cash any way, seeing as they raise $30M a year which they then spend - having no product to ship - really, they're hosed.

Remember also that Crytek has a history with croberts and co; so it's not like they are going to trust him to make good on any payment arrangement they're likely to default on anyway.

Also note that this has been going on for over a year since I first hinted at it; though I never thought that RSI/CIG would be dumb enough to call Crytek's bluff and be sued. They were sued likely because, like all things with those clowns, they thought Crytek was bluffing and/or they couldn't settle on a decent deal, thus forcing the lawsuit anyway.

I'm calling it now. RSI/CIG has NO plausible defense against the claims in this lawsuit. And they don't have the upper hand to call the shots on a settlement.

They're hosed. Completely. And they deserve it.

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Scruffpuff
Dec 23, 2015

Fidelity. Wait, was I'm working on again?
I'm filling out paperwork for a surgery, and there is a question that says "Do you have an internal nerve stimulator?" I asked my wife what that was, and she said, "Apparently this clinic gets a lot of patients from the Stimpire."

D_Smart
May 11, 2010

by FactsAreUseless
College Slice

Hav posted:

No. A lawsuit has been filed, there are specific hoops to jump through and this is a request for a jury trial. The next stage is figuring out who is defending CiG and RSI. They cannot meet before counsel has been decided.


This will be response, along with the counsel for the defence being nominated. I can dig out a form response for you, but it follows a quite specific format. A blanket denial will move it with alacrity to the jury trial they request because there is _impasse_.

This is a mediation procedure, and I urge you to go read the complaint. It's not that difficult, but Skadden's aren't fishing for a couple of million. This will rise to the tens of millions at least, based on what CiG has been saying.

Best thing to do is cop to the lesser - no contest - then fight agreements based on a misunderstanding. This all revolves around the GLA, which we have not seen.

You do know one of the Skadden guys deposed Zuckerberg? This is more than a patent troll shakedown.

Agreed.

This is why it is puzzling when I see those stupid rear end-clowns parked on Reddit, talking poo poo all day and hand waving this away. It's a big loving deal, and these Skadden guys know precisely what they're doing.

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mjotto
Nov 8, 2017

D_Smart posted:

They were sued likely because, like all things with those clowns, they thought Crytek was bluffing and/or they couldn't settle on a decent deal, thus forcing the lawsuit anyway.

They were sued simply because they didn't have any money to offer Crytek. Even if they wanted to settle, they couldn't.

But moving on, that next big thing that will make the lawsuit just childish, what is it and when it it happening?

big nipples big life
May 12, 2014

mjotto posted:

They were sued simply because they didn't have any money to offer Crytek. Even if they wanted to settle, they couldn't.

But moving on, that next big thing that will make the lawsuit just childish, what is it and when it it happening?

he'll tell you after we've been laughing at it for 3 or so pages

iospace
Jan 19, 2038


2 hours to go!

And 14 days :negative:

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D_Smart
May 11, 2010

by FactsAreUseless
College Slice

Scruffpuff posted:

I'm filling out paperwork for a surgery, and there is a question that says "Do you have an internal nerve stimulator?" I asked my wife what that was, and she said, "Apparently this clinic gets a lot of patients from the Stimpire."

:laffo::laffo:

I actually spit out coffee on my monitor. Please tell your wife she's the winner of the Internet today. And that the Fifth Stimpire thanks her for her service.

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