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Verity Lambert | 30 | 15.31% | |
Barry Letts | 7 | 3.57% | |
Phillip Hinchcliffe | 32 | 16.33% | |
John Nathan-Turner | 6 | 3.06% | |
Russell T Davies | 33 | 16.84% | |
Steven Moffat | 50 | 25.51% | |
Chris Chibnall (I am from the future) | 38 | 19.39% | |
Total: | 196 votes |
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remusclaw posted:For a couple of seasons it honestly looked like the Doctor only succeeded in killing his own people. Didn't they eventually lean into that by saying that while he initially described it as trying (and failing) to kill both sides, in truth he was mostly aiming at the Time Lords?
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# ? Jan 4, 2018 01:10 |
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# ? Apr 28, 2024 04:09 |
MisterBibs posted:Didn't they eventually lean into that by saying that while he initially described it as trying (and failing) to kill both sides, in truth he was mostly aiming at the Time Lords? Yep. The Time Lord's became much worse than the Daleks over the course of the war. It's a shame Moffat made it all so dull and pedestrian. The 50th undoing the destruction of Gallifrey is his greatest mistake, especially because he did nothing of interest with it.
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# ? Jan 4, 2018 01:23 |
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Also, Moffat swung and missed on using Twice Upon a Time to just tie up the "all thirteen!" thing very nicely.
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# ? Jan 4, 2018 01:38 |
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PriorMarcus posted:Yep. The Time Lord's became much worse than the Daleks over the course of the war. It's a shame Moffat made it all so dull and pedestrian. The 50th undoing the destruction of Gallifrey is his greatest mistake, especially because he did nothing of interest with it. TinTower posted:Also, Moffat swung and missed on using Twice Upon a Time to just tie up the "all thirteen!" thing very nicely.
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# ? Jan 4, 2018 01:40 |
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2house2fly posted:He swung? I must have missed that. Yeah, there was no need to "tie it up" at all and no attempt was made. We know he was there, that's all that was ever really needed, and I don't think it was ever intended as anything more but a nice touch to include him in the 50th before his first actual episode.
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# ? Jan 4, 2018 01:59 |
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PriorMarcus posted:Yep. The Time Lord's became much worse than the Daleks over the course of the war. It's a shame Moffat made it all so dull and pedestrian. The 50th undoing the destruction of Gallifrey is his greatest mistake, especially because he did nothing of interest with it. Yeah, "you have to find Gallifrey" was a fantastic set up for an arc and it lead to one of the shittier episodes he's written.
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# ? Jan 4, 2018 02:03 |
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the villain should have been romana
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# ? Jan 4, 2018 02:30 |
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The villain should have been Ace who, having graduated from the academy, eventually advanced to head of the war council, advocating the use of Sonic Baseball Bats to whack Daleks out of time.
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# ? Jan 4, 2018 02:38 |
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PriorMarcus posted:Yep. The Time Lord's became much worse than the Daleks over the course of the war. It's a shame Moffat made it all so dull and pedestrian. The 50th undoing the destruction of Gallifrey is his greatest mistake, especially because he did nothing of interest with it. Moffat only showed the end of the war, when - explicitly! - all the nightmare weapons the Time Lords made had been used up and the war had degraded, Skaro-like, into infantry and trenches. He didn't "make it pedestrian" and this willfull choice to ignore the actual text frustrates me even four years later.
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# ? Jan 4, 2018 02:45 |
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DoctorWhat posted:Moffat only showed the end of the war, when - explicitly! - all the nightmare weapons the Time Lords made had been used up and the war had degraded, Skaro-like, into infantry and trenches. He didn't "make it pedestrian" and this willfull choice to ignore the actual text frustrates me even four years later. "It used to be really exciting but now it's just a conventional war" is dull and pedestrian.
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# ? Jan 4, 2018 02:55 |
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"Oh but the text says it makes sense for it be dull and pedestrian" is entirely irrelevant
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# ? Jan 4, 2018 02:56 |
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MrL_JaKiri posted:"Oh but the text says it makes sense for it be dull and pedestrian" is entirely irrelevant How so? The text tells you precisely that everything fanciable (and more importantly, unfilmable)*). We're aware of things like the Skaro Degradations, the Horde of Travesties, the Nightmare Child, the Could-Have-Been-King with his army of Meanwhiles and Neverweres are all dead and gone. The text tells, the viewer accepts. * (Which, had they been filmed, they would've been met with criticism because those things were unfilmable, of course, and should've been never seen, of course) MisterBibs fucked around with this message at 03:16 on Jan 4, 2018 |
# ? Jan 4, 2018 03:14 |
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MisterBibs posted:How so? The text tells you precisely that everything fanciable (and more importantly, unfilmable)*). We're aware of things like the Skaro Degradations, the Horde of Travesties, the Nightmare Child, the Could-Have-Been-King with his army of Meanwhiles and Neverweres are all dead and gone. The text tells, the viewer accepts. personally im glad that instead of all these weird things we got just got daleks all the drat time
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# ? Jan 4, 2018 03:17 |
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https://thumbs.gfycat.com/SlimyTenseFanworms-mobile.mp4
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# ? Jan 4, 2018 03:31 |
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How can a show that can do such wonders as this not be able to pull off stuff like the Skaro Degradations, the Horde of Travesties, the Nightmare Child, the Could-Have-Been-King with his army of Meanwhiles and Neverweres?
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# ? Jan 4, 2018 04:07 |
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My headcanon is that the monster baby from The Holy Terror is (an aspect of) the Nightmare Child, and that trillions of Nightmare Children were dispatched in the Time War.
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# ? Jan 4, 2018 04:12 |
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The legacy of Doctor Who is not in what it has successfully done, but in what it has tried to do in spite of every reason that it probably shouldn't.
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# ? Jan 4, 2018 04:12 |
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remusclaw posted:The legacy of Doctor Who is not in what it has successfully done, but in what it has tried to do in spite of every reason that it probably shouldn't. And good lord should they ever not have.
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# ? Jan 4, 2018 04:13 |
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https://thumbs.gfycat.com/SilentFancyIvorybilledwoodpecker-mobile.mp4
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# ? Jan 4, 2018 04:15 |
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I've said this before and I'll say it again You want to see Doctor Who looking at its best, look at the Third Doctor's run, maybe early Fourth Doctor. While the production values got 'better' after that, the cost of making a show also sky rocketed so while they could do immensely more complicated or technologically impressive things, they just look awful. Just truly dreadful. See any of the weird alien monsters of the Third Doctor, some of whom look genuinely creepy (Axos I'm looking at you and you as well original Autons) and then compare it to the fully animatronic demon thing from the Seventh Doctor and how naff it was
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# ? Jan 4, 2018 04:37 |
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Speaking of really bad production values, I remember seeing a Youtube video of a really silly death of some guy to a black bean bag. Think that clip had the Master in it.
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# ? Jan 4, 2018 04:42 |
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Rirse posted:Speaking of really bad production values, I remember seeing a Youtube video of a really silly death of some guy to a black bean bag. Think that clip had the Master in it. That'd be the reason I specified Original Autons. Because oh poo poo did they not look great when they came back around.
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# ? Jan 4, 2018 04:46 |
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Can't we all just let Bigons be Bigons?
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# ? Jan 4, 2018 05:22 |
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MisterBibs posted:How so? The text tells you precisely that everything fanciable (and more importantly, unfilmable)*). We're aware of things like the Skaro Degradations, the Horde of Travesties, the Nightmare Child, the Could-Have-Been-King with his army of Meanwhiles and Neverweres are all dead and gone. The text tells, the viewer accepts. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YAMHpiVDEXY
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# ? Jan 4, 2018 05:46 |
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DoctorWhat posted:Moffat only showed the end of the war, when - explicitly! - all the nightmare weapons the Time Lords made had been used up and the war had degraded, Skaro-like, into infantry and trenches. He didn't "make it pedestrian" and this willfull choice to ignore the actual text frustrates me even four years later. Tbf in The End Of Time someone says "Gallifrey is only at the edge of the time war and at its heart millions die every second and are resurrected infinitely by Time itself to die anew" and what have you, so Day Of The Doctor making it so the whole thing is just Daleks attacking Gallifrey is a p big retcon
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# ? Jan 4, 2018 06:48 |
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James Henry posted:It’s just occurred to me that as Steven Moffat’s run on Doctor Who has finished, I can now tell you how I sent the worst typo IN HISTORY to the production team without worrying I’ll be giving away any potential spoilers or anything.
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# ? Jan 4, 2018 13:58 |
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Box of Bunnies posted:The villain should have been Ace who, having graduated from the academy, eventually advanced to head of the war council, advocating the use of Sonic Baseball Bats to whack Daleks out of time. I'm still angry the villain of Dinosaurs on a Spaceship didn't end up being Adric
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# ? Jan 4, 2018 16:59 |
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2house2fly posted:I prefer Moffat's version because it implicates the ruling class specifically, in keeping with his overt efforts to separate the Time Lords from the normal Gallifreyans. I suppose there is a case to be made that a long enough time of living under the rule of militant warmongers would turn all of the common people into irredeemable monsters, but that line of thought seems a little bit pessimistic for Steven Moffat's vision of the show Having not watched the whole of the old series, was it ever shown that there were non-Time Lord Gallifreyans before Moffat's run? I'd had the impression that everyone was a Time Lord there. It definitely seemed that way in the RTD years.
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# ? Jan 4, 2018 19:21 |
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After watching only handful of random Matt and Peter episodes and then Twice Upon a Time, I decided to just go back to the start of the revival and go from there. Loving it and just reached Christmas Invasion...but what was the point of the evil Santa bots at the start? They are not related to the Sycorax and disappear as soon that Christmas tree gets blew up.
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# ? Jan 4, 2018 19:23 |
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Rirse posted:After watching only handful of random Matt and Peter episodes and then Twice Upon a Time, I decided to just go back to the start of the revival and go from there. Loving it and just reached Christmas Invasion...but what was the point of the evil Santa bots at the start? They are not related to the Sycorax and disappear as soon that Christmas tree gets blew up. Because otherwise the episode wouldn't have anything to do with Christmas
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# ? Jan 4, 2018 19:31 |
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Stabbatical posted:Having not watched the whole of the old series, was it ever shown that there were non-Time Lord Gallifreyans before Moffat's run? In this story! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ixY3p4SpSjg Also implied in The Deadly Assassin, but mostly it's an idea expounded in New Adventures et al. The best portrayal of the Time Lords was, and always will be, their very first one though. Rirse posted:After watching only handful of random Matt and Peter episodes and then Twice Upon a Time, I decided to just go back to the start of the revival and go from there. Loving it and just reached Christmas Invasion...but what was the point of the evil Santa bots at the start? They are not related to the Sycorax and disappear as soon that Christmas tree gets blew up. It's CHRISTMAS, duh
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# ? Jan 4, 2018 19:34 |
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There's a Gallifreyan underclass called the Shabogans iirc, who the Doctor references in Hell Bent. They're not the poor scruffy people he hangs out with in the episode apparently, and why would those nice people be spreading lies about him anyway
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# ? Jan 4, 2018 20:06 |
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MrL_JaKiri posted:
Yeah, this is true. I hope Chibnall mostly just kind of leaves them out of his run. I'm a little worn out on "the Doctor, trickster god, goes back back to Gallifrey and befuddles all the stodgy, blustering tyrants with his quick wit until they all beg for him to be their leader" for awhile. They can bring back the Time Lords for Fifteen's run or something. I could also use a break from the Cybermen, and maybe a season away from the Master.
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# ? Jan 4, 2018 21:17 |
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God that sounds like a nightmare come true - you get offered a chance for a job, show up and you're just blowing the interview horribly AND they've already independently come up with your best ideas AND when they ask you to improv they're hitting you with better ideas. No wonder he had strap-ons on the mind, he was getting hosed.
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# ? Jan 4, 2018 22:52 |
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Burkion posted:I've said this before and I'll say it again I completely agree with this. Although the demon thing (if we're talking Battlefield here) was responsible for giving us some excellent Brigadier-ing.
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# ? Jan 4, 2018 23:03 |
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Stabbatical posted:Having not watched the whole of the old series, was it ever shown that there were non-Time Lord Gallifreyans before Moffat's run? I'd had the impression that everyone was a Time Lord there. It definitely seemed that way in the RTD years. All the Chancellery guards you see aren’t Time Lords, just regular Gallifreyans.
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# ? Jan 4, 2018 23:17 |
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The_Doctor posted:All the Chancellery guards you see aren’t Time Lords, just regular Gallifreyans. Captain of the Guard can regenerate though.
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# ? Jan 4, 2018 23:19 |
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Bicyclops posted:Yeah, this is true. Shouldn't be impossible. Even when the Time Lords were around and Gallifrey existed in say 5-7's run, we could go years without seing them or going there. 7 never went there at all.
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# ? Jan 5, 2018 08:44 |
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UPS tried their damndest to smuggle it back across the pond, but my Secret Santa gift did eventually make its way here! What better way to celebrate the end of the Moffat era than with that age-old enemy of his, the cushion. Fits with the decor quite nicely, too. Thanks a bunch, secretive Santa person!
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# ? Jan 5, 2018 19:30 |
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# ? Apr 28, 2024 04:09 |
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Forktoss posted:What better way to celebrate the end of the Moffat era than with that age-old enemy of his, the cushion Needs more Clara_and_Sutekh.png
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# ? Jan 5, 2018 20:31 |