Martha Stewart Undying posted:

You guys don't get how this chosen era has been romanticized.

Martha Stewart Undying posted:

Liu Bei was a bad dad.




You guys don't get how this chosen era has been romanticized.

CharlestheHammer posted:

I get it, I just don't care and hopefully neither will CA.

I don't hate china as a setting but I don't want another Warhammer.

Submarine Sandpaper posted:

good thing mods exist for you then. I'm sure someone will shogun 2 it wrt generals

John Charity Spring posted:

I'm gonna take a guess that CA - who are already mentioning the centrality of 'champions' to the game and showcasing heroic-type duels in the cinematic trailer - will probably include what you regard as dumb bullshit in the game, because it's been very well-received by the majority of players of Warhammer and they've already taken steps towards 'legendary lords' in historical games since then.

CharlestheHammer posted:

Guess what you want if it makes you feel better.

Koramei posted:

okay

Koramei posted:

I don't understand how you can be so butthurt about this

Dandywalken posted:

He doesn't seem particularly upset.

Asehujiko posted:

1000 dudes is stretching it but I'd totally believe a well fed, well trained fighter in the best armour and weapons one could buy having once chopped up 100 starving conscripts over the course of a day, especially if most of them are wounded that retreat and die of infection later because it's 190CE instead of all of them being instant kills.

Koramei posted:

I would rather you go play other, better total wars and go away until you've chilled out


Considering his touchy comment about my second post in the thread since the announcement, I disagree.


It's patently ridiculous but also fun & this setting makes a hell of a lot of sense for it

CharlestheHammer posted:

Your the one who seems weirdly mad about this.

I mean would you all react so bitterly if I said I don't care for naval combat?

Just take a breath and relax it's just a game.

CharlestheHammer posted:

I don't care for it and am making my opinion known in a thread about doing that. I'm not even mad really.

What's so hard to get? I mean I could obsess over however TWcenter is reacting if that makes you feel better.

Generation Internet posted:

I lust for Victoria: Total War and don't personally like heroes but I am probably going to play the hell out of this game because the setting looks super rad and I'm excited to see what CA does with it

CharlestheHammer posted:

Davincie posted:

hes doing musou moves in that trailer, he definitely will be

Koramei posted:

I literally wrote one word and you flipped out, you massive weirdo

anyway delving further into your hatred of fun is literally the opposite of what I intended so let's talk about something different.

I actually don't know much about 3 Kingdoms China; anyone know likely factions? I'm hoping the titular 3 kingdoms don't start out as massive blobs; was it more fractured at the start of it? Beyond them, how much of a presence were northern nomads and so on? I know Goguryeo around Korea was just starting to establish its self over the game's period but not a whole lot else was going on there; what about Vietnam, Tibet etc?

Jamwad Hilder posted:

It's not hard to get. It's just funny that you'd write off an entire game in a series you're presumably a fan of because of a single feature. It reminds me of a small child who won't eat dinner because there's broccoli on the plate.

Koramei posted:

I literally wrote one word and you flipped out, you massive weirdo

anyway delving further into your hatred of fun is literally the opposite of what I intended so let's talk about something different.

I actually don't know much about 3 Kingdoms China; anyone know likely factions? I'm hoping the titular 3 kingdoms don't start out as massive blobs; was it more fractured at the start of it? Beyond them, how much of a presence were northern nomads and so on? I know Goguryeo around Korea was just starting to establish its self over the game's period but not a whole lot else was going on there; what about Vietnam, Tibet etc?

Reddit posted:

The Three Kingdoms actually had pretty different approaches to warfare, despite all being mainly Han Chinese.

Wei were the powerhouses, possessing the most "industrial" base and Imperial forces; they'll be the old army of China, so heavy shock cavalry and pikes, maybe bows/crossbows. Maybe chariots as well, but that'd be a stretch. They also hired huge numbers of the tribes who would one day become the mongols, so expect light cavalry and horse archers to be among them. They'd probably have the most 'normal' army, relying on heavy armor and formation-fighting to bring victory.

Shu was primarily a guerrilla-ish force, an "army with a state" rather than a state with an army. They were mobile, adaptive, and generally fairly small in number; I suspect they'll rely heavily on ranged units and ambushes, medium infantry and light cavalry. Later on they'll likely incorporate the Nanman, but I'm not entirely sure how they'd fight. Repeating crossbows and weird things like that, too - after all, Shu invented them. Maybe they'd have a lot of weird elite units that you can only get a few of. Gimmicky poo poo combined with versatile units. Very much doubt they'll be a horde, though.

Wu were mostly focused on their navy, as their primary defense was the rivers they controlled. They'll probably be heavy on shock infantry and archers and lots of boats. Ideally we'd have riverboat combat so that their river fleets could properly fight 'land battles', but we'll see. They were involved heavily with the Shanyue people, and were somewhat culturally distinct; they changed a lot of southeast China, turning it from a 'barbarian' region to one far more civilized in the eyes of the country as a whole. Plenty of room for doing cool stuff with Wu.

It's one of the hinging points of the novel, actually; Wei rules through "heaven", as they control the Emperor and are the legitimate successors legally. Shu rules through "man", because they're a populist leader and folk hero who claim to be the legitimate successors morally. Wu rules through "earth", because they have terrain and wealth on their side, and were different culturally and ethnically from Wei enough that they eventually tried to break from China entirely. Which I hope is included in their campaign; it would be interesting to point out that not everywhere in China agreed with China being a persistent thing yet.

Additional factions could include the Xiongnu proto-mongols, the Jurchens, Tibet (Sadly too early for the awesome Tibetan Empire), the Thai and Nanman... Basically all the tribal / smaller kingdoms who bordered China at the time, though their main interaction was being hired as mercenaries. It's too early for Wokou pirates, I believe, and Korea was going through its own, entirely unrelated Three Kingdoms period. It almost seems like the map will include Iran / Persia and Central Asia in general, which would be interesting, but I'm not sure what reason they'd have for being included. The Kushan would be on their last legs as the Sassanids rise.

There are also the other warlords, of whom there were many - Yuan Shao, Dong Zhou, Lu Bu, and myriad others all seized power at one time or another, and depending when the game starts could be viable factions. Jin seems less likely, except as some kind of late-game crisis or another.

Koramei posted:

I literally wrote one word and you flipped out, you massive weirdo

anyway delving further into your hatred of fun is literally the opposite of what I intended so let's talk about something different.

I actually don't know much about 3 Kingdoms China; anyone know likely factions? I'm hoping the titular 3 kingdoms don't start out as massive blobs; was it more fractured at the start of it? Beyond them, how much of a presence were northern nomads and so on? I know Goguryeo around Korea was just starting to establish its self over the game's period but not a whole lot else was going on there; what about Vietnam, Tibet etc?

Mr.Morgenstern posted: