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Dr. Video Games 0081
Jan 19, 2005

Vincent Van Goatse posted:

That's not a goddamned excuse.

Yes it is. It was funny.

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Vincent Van Goatse
Nov 8, 2006

Enjoy every sandwich.

Smellrose

I can't blame him for wanting his post-Barney career to be completely different.

remusclaw
Dec 8, 2009

I love you, you love me, now approaching hour three.

Gaunab
Feb 13, 2012
LUFTHANSA YOU FUCKING DICKWEASEL

Seems like the logical conclusion for someone who teaches about love.

Samovar
Jun 4, 2011

I'm 😤 not a 🦸🏻‍♂️hero...🧜🏻



remusclaw posted:

I love you, you love me, now approaching hour three.

Goddamn.

sweeperbravo
May 18, 2012

AUNT GWEN'S COLD SHAPE (!)

Vincent Van Goatse posted:

I can't blame him for wanting his post-Barney career to be completely different.

He's just a well-rounded guy

Zedd
Jul 6, 2009

I mean, who would have noticed another madman around here?



SpacePig posted:

How does a show like As Told By Ginger hold up? It had a lot of themes of class struggle and race relations and whatnot, but all from the perspective of a white girl with a single mother that could still afford a 3-bedroom, 2-story home in the suburbs.
It can't have aged worse than RocketPower at least. That show was tryhard for the time, I have no Idea how it would be received nowadays. :v:

CommonShore
Jun 6, 2014

A true renaissance man


Maxwell Lord posted:

For a long time the tradition in wrestling was that the babyfaces always followed the rules, while the heels would fight dirty, doing things like back rakes and closed fist punches and other things that are technically not allowed.

Hogan, on the other hand, would do all those things, and the commentary would frame it as giving the bad guys their comeuppance since they'd done it or something similar in the past. His whole wrestling style was borrowed from the popular heel "Superstar" Billy Graham (no relation to the preacher), and he even was introduced by one promotion as a heel prior to joining the WWF, but audiences just liked him and cheered for him regardless.

It's very America-in-the-80s, we're the good guys so we can do whatever we want. If you go back and watch his stuff from that era he often comes across as kind of a dick (as he apparently is IRL)- on the rare occasions he loses he makes a big deal about how he was screwed and generally tries to keep the focus on him.

(Also interesting fact, his cameo as "Thunderlips" in Rocky III was done well in advance of Hulkamania and all that. In fact it probably helped because the WWF were able to get Mr. T in on the first Wrestlemania.)

Hmm. Interesting. Hulk Hogan and Hulkamania was my introduction to pro wrestling as a kid, so I never noticed anything odd about his style of fighting. I loving loved Hulk Hogan so much when I was like 5 years old.

Sarcopenia
May 14, 2014

SpacePig posted:

There has not been a single Klasky Csupo cartoon that looked anything less than sloppy, and even their Simpsons episodes look really bad compared to what the later animation company did. But I've always found their weird character designs really endearing, and it made for some interesting stuff in AAAHH! Real Monsters. I think As Told By Ginger was the nadir of their character designs, though.

How does a show like As Told By Ginger hold up? It had a lot of themes of class struggle and race relations and whatnot, but all from the perspective of a white girl with a single mother that could still afford a 3-bedroom, 2-story home in the suburbs.

I rewatched it last year and it holds up really well. The rooms in their house are actually really tiny compared to her 2 parent, middle class friends' homes and her mom is always at the kitchen table looking over their bills. Plus anything with Cree Summer in it playing a villain is enjoyable

RC and Moon Pie
May 5, 2011

hard counter posted:

the wrestling kayfabe carrying over to real life talk reminded me that a lot of older sitcoms tried to do something similar with gimmicky bit part characters who were contractually obliged to stay in character during public appearances as a kind of silly marketing stunt

newhart, for e.g. had two mute brothers darryl and darryl who spoke their one and only line in the finale, and iirc the actors behind these roles were mandated to never speak in any of their other public outings as long as they were employed on that show. they were even forbidden from stuff like speaking to the press or doing any kind of public interview even when they were just being themselves; i'm pretty sure publicity stunts like that have aged poorly and we wouldn't do that to actors anymore

One of the more famous examples is Anissa Jones. Being forced to carry a baby doll and wear pigtails as your approach your teenage years can screw you up.

Absurd Alhazred
Mar 27, 2010

by Athanatos

Kay Kessler posted:

To be fair to him, we all bought it,

Hook, line, and sinker.

Garrand
Dec 28, 2012

Rhino, you did this to me!

RC and Moon Pie posted:

One of the more famous examples is Anissa Jones. Being forced to carry a baby doll and wear pigtails as your approach your teenage years can screw you up.

Jesus loving christ that was a depressing read. Her father died in 1974 shortly after getting custody, she dies 2 years later of an OD and her brother died less than a decade later, also from an OD.

Spikey
May 12, 2001

From my cold, dead hands!


Absurd Alhazred posted:

Hook, line, and sinker.

Even his immediate family bought it.

Pastry of the Year
Apr 12, 2013

Aw, son of a bitch!

A CRUNK BIRD
Sep 29, 2004

Dr. Video Games 0081 posted:

Yes it is. It was funny.

(USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)

[Hurling rocks and molotovs at the humor police] Undo this probation because it was funny.

A CRUNK BIRD
Sep 29, 2004
If you can't wrap your head around the thankless writers and animators of a massively popular 90s cartoon show blowing off steam by making the characters do hosed up stuff in storyboards you are a thoughtless and humorless loving idiot

Absurd Alhazred
Mar 27, 2010

by Athanatos

A CRUNK BIRD posted:

If you can't wrap your head around the thankless writers and animators of a massively popular 90s cartoon show blowing off steam by making the characters do hosed up stuff in storyboards you are a thoughtless and humorless loving idiot

Counterpoint: find something better to double-post about, person who used two of their three posts itt to defend somebody for thinking suggestive pictures of children are funny.

A CRUNK BIRD
Sep 29, 2004

Absurd Alhazred posted:

Counterpoint: find something better to double-post about, person who used two of their three posts itt to defend somebody for thinking suggestive pictures of children are funny.

Counterpoint: take a minute to think about what it's like to work in a grinding environment pumping out wholesome cartoons for kids and what a relief it must have been to take those scenarios to a bleak dark place. Then when you're done eat my rear end

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Vincent Van Goatse
Nov 8, 2006

Enjoy every sandwich.

Smellrose
Pretty sure they could've drawn literally anything besides child porn to blow off steam.

Aesop Poprock
Oct 21, 2008


Grimey Drawer

remusclaw posted:

My grandfather was peak evidence of a person who knew wrestling was fake, and who bought everything anyway. That man would immediately start going off on any wrestler who took too long getting onto the top rope. He was like Gorilla Monsoon when it came to guys not hooking the leg on a pin, or who failed to correctly apply the abdominal stretch. He was a lot of fun to watch wrestling with.

My grandpa hates wrestling and was always like "Wrestling is fake and bullshit!" and would get super pissed, but when he would watch it with me he would get super mad if someone beat up the referee and say "What an rear end in a top hat! Beating up the ref, what a coward!" so I have no idea what he thought was real and what was fake but it was fun

Henchman of Santa
Aug 21, 2010

A CRUNK BIRD posted:

Counterpoint: take a minute to think about what it's like to work in a grinding environment pumping out wholesome cartoons for kids and what a relief it must have been to take those scenarios to a bleak dark place. Then when you're done eat my rear end

Child porn hill is not a good hill to die on. Honestly it might be the worst one!

Garrand
Dec 28, 2012

Rhino, you did this to me!

I've found there's three phases of watching wrestling:

A child: Wrestling is real and awesome!
A teen: wrestling is fake and stupid
An adult: wrestling is fake and awesome!

Although this is coming from somebody who only has a very casual relationship with pro wrestling.

Punkin Spunkin
Jan 1, 2010

Vincent Van Goatse posted:

Pretty sure they could've drawn literally anything besides child porn to blow off steam.
They could've drawn adult porn!

A CRUNK BIRD
Sep 29, 2004

Vincent Van Goatse posted:

Pretty sure they could've drawn literally anything besides child porn to blow off steam.

If that storyboard meets your definition of child porn you have an enviably quaint view of the world we live in

A CRUNK BIRD
Sep 29, 2004

Henchman of Santa posted:

Child porn hill is not a good hill to die on. Honestly it might be the worst one!

Guess what! It’s not even pornographic at all!

A CRUNK BIRD
Sep 29, 2004
R. Crumb comics would put you people in the hospital

SpacePig
Apr 4, 2007

I'M FEELING JIMMY

Spikey posted:

Even his immediate family bought it.

I don't even watch wrestling and I can't believe it took so long to get this response.

Garrand
Dec 28, 2012

Rhino, you did this to me!

A CRUNK BIRD posted:

If that storyboard meets your definition of child porn you have an enviably quaint view of the world we live in

The page is technically SFW since there's no actual images (most of them were destroyed) but I guess beware?

http://lostmediaarchive.wikia.com/wiki/Rugrats_%22Incredible_Storyboard_Jam%22_(1998_Banned_In-House_Comic)

quote:

After this point, the comic was given to other artists to add on, and this later resulted in images of Angelica's hands stroking Stu's testicles, followed by a barrage of incest sex scenes

I don't know what your definition of child porn is but frankly I don't want to find out.

A CRUNK BIRD
Sep 29, 2004
If no one has explained the concept of context to you by now I’m not going to be the one to take a crack at it

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Aesop Poprock
Oct 21, 2008


Grimey Drawer

A CRUNK BIRD posted:

R. Crumb comics would put you people in the hospital

He's a legit creepy racist weirdo though to be fair and he's dumb as gently caress

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

Exploration is ill-advised.

Aesop Poprock posted:

He's a legit creepy racist weirdo though to be fair and he's dumb as gently caress

Kinda ironic given a lot of his stuff seems perfect for making /pol/'s heads explode. Pro-interracial sex comics in an era when there were literal anti-miscegenation laws and all that.

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Oct 30, 2009

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Trauma Dog 3000
Aug 30, 2017

by SA Support Robot

Henchman of Santa posted:

Child porn hill is not a good hill to die on. Honestly it might be the worst one!

why'd we name it that anyway

Don Gato
Apr 28, 2013

Actually a bipedal cat.
Grimey Drawer
The only thing I remember about rugrats post movie was that Chuckie's step-sister was Japanese and no one ever called attention to it, instead of people constantly asking how she could see if she was squinting all the time. Totally unrealistic, I'm only half-Japanese and I got asked that constantly in school :argh:

She was basically the only Asian character I can think of in cartoons at the time, pity she was so boring.

JediTalentAgent
Jun 5, 2005
Hey, look. Look, if- if you screw me on this, I shall become more powerful than you can possibly imagine, you rat bastard!
Wasn't the actress who did the voice of Chuckie's step-sister blind in real life?

BioEnchanted
Aug 9, 2011

He plays for the dreamers that forgot how to dream, and the lovers that forgot how to love.
The problem with Kim was that she was just generally brave, like a Tommy 2.0, so she was redundant. They could have had other ways to contrast her with the others, like maybe having her be a faster developer (ie learning language faster due to growing up bilingual) but that could fall into the Smart Asian stereotype, but she should have had something other than generic bravery.

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

Exploration is ill-advised.
Obvious tacked on token minorities get like that, and the 90s was full of em. Doesn't tend to end well given it means you end up with white people having all the interesting personality traits and flaws, while the rest might as well just be ethnic sidekicks. They're a lot better at it these days with incorporating non-white characters into the core cast rather than the periphery. (Star Vs The Forces of Evil comes to mind)

Reminded of how non-human cartoon characters like the TMNT might have had such broad appeal in part because as non-human characters there's little to no racial baggage around them. Hell, they have Italian names, were raised by an Asian rat-person (who inverts pretty much all the stereotypes involved with rats, except the 2012 version, who is awesome), have grown up with American pop culture but as an extreme minority isolated from society, and make a very diverse group of friends both human and otherwise.

A CRUNK BIRD
Sep 29, 2004
I thought ankhs were cool when I was 10 years old

BioEnchanted
Aug 9, 2011

He plays for the dreamers that forgot how to dream, and the lovers that forgot how to love.

Inescapable Duck posted:

Obvious tacked on token minorities get like that, and the 90s was full of em. Doesn't tend to end well given it means you end up with white people having all the interesting personality traits and flaws, while the rest might as well just be ethnic sidekicks. They're a lot better at it these days with incorporating non-white characters into the core cast rather than the periphery. (Star Vs The Forces of Evil comes to mind)

Reminded of how non-human cartoon characters like the TMNT might have had such broad appeal in part because as non-human characters there's little to no racial baggage around them. Hell, they have Italian names, were raised by an Asian rat-person (who inverts pretty much all the stereotypes involved with rats, except the 2012 version, who is awesome), have grown up with American pop culture but as an extreme minority isolated from society, and make a very diverse group of friends both human and otherwise.

Actually Splinter was a human turned into a giant rat through SCIENCE!

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Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

Exploration is ill-advised.

BioEnchanted posted:

Actually Splinter was a human turned into a giant rat through SCIENCE!

Depends on the show you watched. (though to be honest, the 80s cartoon had it right in Hamato Yoshi being turned into a rat, way less confusing and makes for a far more interesting dynamic with Shredder than just being a pet rat who learned kung fu by watching him)

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