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I've been really enjoying Black Lightning so far. It's definitely still a CW show but it's darker and stylistically different from the other DC shows they have running.
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Jan 24, 2018 06:17
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Black Lightning is real good
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Jan 24, 2018 06:27
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HorseRenoir posted:I've been really enjoying Black Lightning so far. It's definitely still a CW show but it's darker and stylistically different from the other DC shows they have running. That reminds me to watch, I forgot it was starting so soon. Hopefully they won't strip it of its style to mash it in with the boring mess they've made of Arrow and Flash.
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Jan 24, 2018 07:44
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Looten Plunder posted:Drunk History back this week Busy Phillips is the queen of Drunk History.
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Jan 24, 2018 10:49
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raditts posted:Lost broke the brains of a generation so anything that is not part of some multi-year mytharc makes them start gibbering about procedurals. One series I've read about but haven't seen was a Steven R. Bochco legal drama called Murder One, which aired in the mid 90s and had a fully-serialised story following a team of defence lawyers working on one case throughout its first season. It had an ambitious reputation, but audiences apparently weren't ready, because by the time said first season ended episodes were beginning with very detailed, 10 minute long "previously on" recaps.
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Jan 24, 2018 13:17
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Big Mean Jerk posted:I just finished all of Hannibal in a month and I’m already jonesing for something similar. I had planned on watching American Gods, but I’m not sure there’s much of a point now that Fuller and some of the cast have bailed. FWIW, I’ve read and enjoyed the original book. Thoughts? There really isn't anything similar to Hannibal on TV. American Gods is good and has Brian Reitzell's music and Fuller's lavish visuals, and is worth watching on its own. Mindhunter draws its inspiration from the same sources as Thomas Harris's novels, Mr. Robot is as gay and well-made, and Riverdale may be even purpler than Hannibal. But none of those shows are fundamentally like it.
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Jan 24, 2018 15:20
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Lads https://twitter.com/BlackDynamite/status/956087579710980096
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Jan 24, 2018 17:46
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Sarcastically sounds pretty boring.
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Jan 24, 2018 18:26
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I love watching lovely "investigation" shows. I've been watching one called Nightmare Next Door, and the last episode was really gross. It was about a girl that got murdered, but the narrator insisted on sexualizing not only her, but all young girls. Actually phrases: "little Lolitas" "little beauties" "brown-haired beauty" "blue-eyed dreamer," it's seriously creepy.
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Jan 24, 2018 20:37
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Are you guys serious about Black Lightning? All I've seen is the trailer and holy poo poo that costume just looks dumb AF.
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Jan 24, 2018 22:06
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Croatoan posted:Are you guys serious about Black Lightning? All I've seen is the trailer and holy poo poo that costume just looks dumb AF. TVIV likes literally everything Marvel shits out no matter what it is so I believe it.
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Jan 24, 2018 22:07
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IRQ posted:TVIV likes literally everything Marvel shits out no matter what it is so I believe it. Black Lightning is DC.
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Jan 24, 2018 22:13
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swickles posted:Black Lightning is DC. Point stands.
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Jan 24, 2018 22:17
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swickles posted:Black Lightning is DC. I think the breakdown of this war is actually like Marvel, Arrowverse, Justice League, and anything else touched by Whedon vs Zach Snyder's movies and maybe Wonder Woman? I'm not clear where Wonder Woman falls. I haven't watched Black Lightning yet. I'll probably give it a look tonight. My prediction is TVIV's opinion of it will follow the same path as Flash, Supergirl, Arrow, and many other shows. There will be a lot of praise in S1 of new things and unique appeals from similar shows. In S2 there will start to be complaints about its patterns and habits that are starting to wear thing on some. by S3 it will be dismissed as a derivative mess where nothing truly matters.
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Jan 24, 2018 22:27
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Croatoan posted:Are you guys serious about Black Lightning? All I've seen is the trailer and holy poo poo that costume just looks dumb AF. “LOOK AT MY DICK! LOOK AT MY FUCKIN DICK! I’M BLACK LIGHTNING!” e: holy poo poo Meryl Streep just got cast in Big Little Lies season 2 Escobarbarian fucked around with this message at 22:41 on Jan 24, 2018 |
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Jan 24, 2018 22:32
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STAC Goat posted:My prediction is TVIV's opinion of it will follow the same path as Flash, Supergirl, Arrow, and many other shows. There will be a lot of praise in S1 of new things and unique appeals from similar shows. In S2 there will start to be complaints about its patterns and habits that are starting to wear thing on some. by S3 it will be dismissed as a derivative mess where nothing truly matters. That's not just CW shows, that's TVIV boilerplate for every show. Season 3 writing becomes "lazy" and the characters will be caricatures of what they once were. There will either be too many episodes and the pacing will be too uneven or not enough episodes to let the concept breath. They really need to jettison 'x' character for next season because they are insufferable and have run their course.
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Jan 24, 2018 22:49
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Escobarbarian posted:“LOOK AT MY DICK! LOOK AT MY FUCKIN DICK! I’M BLACK LIGHTNING!”
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Jan 24, 2018 22:57
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bull3964 posted:That's not just CW shows, that's TVIV boilerplate for every show. Yeah, its a basic pattern that hold some truth but seems to say more about the viewer's tastes than the show's flaws. 90% of network shows follow a basic pattern of S1 growing pains and learning what works and what doesn't, S2 really leaning in on what works and what they learned from S1, and in S3 they're settled in and have a bit of a formula. Some viewers obviously hate this and prefer shows that blow everything up every season or drive make plots that change everything each season. So they just get tired with a show that isn't interested in doing that, but just wants to perfect its formula. "Formulaic" shouldn't be a bad word. It isn't for everyone but there's plenty of people who love shows or movies specifically because they're formulaic. No one goes into a Fast and Furious movie to see what amazing macguffin is written for the plot. They just want to see the formula they enjoy done well. I know Supernatural is a formulaic show that is doing the same poo poo its been doing for a decade. I know its meta plots are often flimsy and result in wiping the slate clean. I watch because I like that forumula and have for over a decade. I like being able to watch that show once a week.
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Jan 24, 2018 23:02
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bull3964 posted:That's not just CW shows, that's TVIV boilerplate for every show. Note that “x” character is almost always female.
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Jan 24, 2018 23:10
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Jan 24, 2018 23:12
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I'm still annoyed that they didn't move Felicty over to the Flash once that started up. She gelled really well with the cast (and had, like, instant chemistry with Grant Gustin) and would have stopped all the stupid Felicity poo poo that went down on Arrow starting in season three. OTOH there then would have been stupid Barry/Iris/Felicity love triangle poo poo on The Flash, so... Never watched the show but based on that photo I guess Harry Potter was in it? Also, christ, they're starting to run out of shows to revive. It's only a matter of time before Lost returns, isn't it? asecondduck fucked around with this message at 23:16 on Jan 24, 2018 |
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Jan 24, 2018 23:14
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CBS should revive The Dick Van Dyke Show with the original cast as well, the lead is only a sprightly 92
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Jan 24, 2018 23:16
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STAC Goat posted:Yeah, its a basic pattern that hold some truth but seems to say more about the viewer's tastes than the show's flaws. 90% of network shows follow a basic pattern of S1 growing pains and learning what works and what doesn't, S2 really leaning in on what works and what they learned from S1, and in S3 they're settled in and have a bit of a formula. Some viewers obviously hate this and prefer shows that blow everything up every season or drive make plots that change everything each season. So they just get tired with a show that isn't interested in doing that, but just wants to perfect its formula. It's not always the case, but a lot of times people just need to recognize that the show didn't really drop in quality but that they are just bored with it now. People want a reason that they don't enjoy watching as much and they don't want to admit it's their own tastes.
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less laughter posted:CBS should revive The Dick Van Dyke Show with the original cast as well, the lead is only a sprightly 92 As of Boston Legal Bergen was still legitimately awesome, but then again that was 10 years ago...
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Jan 24, 2018 23:23
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I can't wait for goons to start complaining about The Good Place S3 because they blew up the plot again and it's boring cause they did that last week why can't they just give these concepts a proper chance?
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Jan 24, 2018 23:40
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The Good Place is an interesting case to me because in large parts its everything goods want in blowing poo poo up and doing something different. But also Michael Schur's got a good record of great comedies that kind of settle into a formula of character chemistry, relationships, and in jokes. And like, there's definitely an element of that in The Good Place and its characters. The Good Place is a show that SHOULD have a clear end date in mind but I wonder if Schur/NBC has that or if goons will grow tired of the character formulas before it does. I can definitely see it getting the patented TVIV S3 backlash.
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Jan 24, 2018 23:47
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hahaha this season 3 backlash thing is quite silly. What about Leftovers? Saul? Mr. Robot? CXG? BoJack? Rick and Morty? All the shows you're talking about the backlash for are shows that were always bad but that people got distracted by because shiny new superhero thing. I wonder if I'll feel the same about Riverdale, now I think about it. I feel like that show is at one point gonna start losing its appeal FAST.
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Jan 25, 2018 00:09
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Are you really arguing there wasn't a season 3 backlash to Rick and Morty?
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less laughter posted:CBS should revive The Dick Van Dyke Show with the original cast as well, the lead is only a sprightly 92 Would genuinely enjoy a Lou Grant revival. Ed Asner is only 88. He can still do it.
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bull3964 posted:Are you really arguing there wasn't a season 3 backlash to Rick and Morty? From internet fuckboys in general, sure, but from what I saw TVIV still liked it (obviously I didn't read the thread, because who reads a show's thread? but the people who's opinions i know to give a poo poo about liked it just fine)
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Escobarbarian posted:From internet fuckboys in general, sure, but from what I saw TVIV still liked it (obviously I didn't read the thread, because who reads a show's thread? but the people who's opinions i know to give a poo poo about liked it just fine) The thread made toxic Rick and Morty from episode 6 look well adjusted. By and large, many found it boring and devoid of jokes. I remember a few saying that the writing was getting lazy about how overpowered Rick was. They should really kill off Jerry because he's pointless on the show now. All characters are shallow and just give speeches about their mental state. Seriously, the S3 progression that I mentioned earlier was BASED off the Rick and Morty thread.
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Escobarbarian posted:From internet fuckboys in general, sure, but from what I saw TVIV still liked it (obviously I didn't read the thread, because who reads a show's thread? but the people who's opinions i know to give a poo poo about liked it just fine) Internet fuckboys is what were complaining about
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Jan 25, 2018 00:24
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To be fair, you have to have a very high IQ to
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so to clarify, the argument here is "TVIV turns on every show in its third season because the show with the worst fanbase ever had idiots complain about the quality even though it was the best one yet"? also didn't the Flash backlash start with s2?
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Jan 25, 2018 00:27
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It's not every show it's many shows, specifically genre shows. I don't know the because of it.
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You can add Brooklyn 99 to the list. People were calling for the show to be cancelled in the thread ever since the third season.
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Jan 25, 2018 00:33
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That rebounded a lot in s4 though! I feel like the second half of most B99 seasons is weaker than the first. Don't know why that is.
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Escobarbarian posted:so to clarify, the argument here is "TVIV turns on every show in its third season because the show with the worst fanbase ever had idiots complain about the quality even though it was the best one yet"? You know good and well its not "every show" and if anyone said "every show" it was hyperbole and you literally just brought up a show as a counter example and when someone said it did the same thing you called its fanbase the "worst." I even pointed out that shows like The Good Place that break formulas appeal to these goons who have these complaints and thus "break the mold". I think Flash was a pretty good example of the pattern. S1: This is fun and different from that mopey Arrow that has all these relationships and lies and melodrama. S2: I'm getting tired of the melodrama and relationship stuff that was there in S1 too but I'm getting sick of it. S3: Every year its the same mopey melodrama CW poo poo. And as I said, I don't even think these complaints are necessarily wrong. But they're more about the individual's tastes and patterns than the show's a lot of time. Flash always had melodrama and dark character themes. The show started with Barry tormented by his mother's death, his father's incarceration, and his starcrossed romantic interest. Some viewers just glossed past that stuff when they were having fun with the show and gradually got more and more annoyed by it. And there's nothing wrong with them just getting tired of Flash's formula and losing interest in it. But some posters basically treat quitting a show like a breakup. Agents of SHIELD is a good example of the alternative. It started off very formulaic and goons were highly critical, but as its gone on its picked up a pattern of dramatically shaking up the status quo each season or more resulting in the goon opinion getting very positive on it. This isn't a "goons are wrong" theory. Its a "theres a majority taste in TVIV" one. STAC Goat fucked around with this message at 00:44 on Jan 25, 2018 |
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