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White Light
Dec 19, 2012

Chairman Mao posted:

They'd be great defenders if it wasn't for that double weakness to fighting.

You could say that about Rhydon but that doesn't stop people from loading him up in all the gyms I run across

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Julio Cruz
May 19, 2006
There are no good gym defenders. Everything is easily killable because the attacker's set their team up in advance with the best counters to whatever's in the gym.

flatluigi
Apr 23, 2008

here come the planes
Do you even want a strong defender these days? You want your pokemon to eventually drop out.

kensei
Dec 27, 2007

He has come home, where he belongs. The Ancient Mariner returns to lead his first team to glory, forever and ever. Amen!


flatluigi posted:

Do you even want a strong defender these days? You want your pokemon to eventually drop out.

I usually have 6-7 in gyms, they turn over pretty quickly here. I put everything from Feebas so I can remotely feed them or Blissey/Snorlax to sit in gyms long term to get gold.

Crosspeice
Aug 9, 2013

I put in rare stuff so maybe someone gets a dex entry, it's the only way I've been able to see some Pokemon (regionals, Unown, fuckin Tangela).

And to contribute to a theme, those who break those are the WORST.

Ballz
Dec 16, 2003

it's mario time

What strange part of the world do you live that you have not been able to get Tangela?

White Light
Dec 19, 2012

I guess the Latis aren't coming out? Heard the announcement was fake or something, not sure

Julio Cruz
May 19, 2006

Ballz posted:

What strange part of the world do you live that you have not been able to get Tangela?

I'm pretty sure I've never seen a wild one but they were pretty common hatches in gen 1.

Darth TNT
Sep 20, 2013

Julio Cruz posted:

I'm pretty sure I've never seen a wild one but they were pretty common hatches in gen 1.

I only ever hatched 3. All of the same gender. :argh: I need that other gender for my dex.

I second the perception that Anorith is behaving like Lotad. I managed to catch 2 yesterday in the rain and spotted a few others on a scanner. I also caught a (for me) max lvl 81% Lotad. So guess who's going to become a dancing pineapple as soon as I have enough candy.

sebzilla
Mar 17, 2009

Kid's blasting everything in sight with that new-fangled musket.


Never hatched a Tangela. Or a Miltank. Or a Chansey. Stupid Dex holes.

Willsun
Dec 9, 2006

I willed too hard again...

Parrotine posted:

I was about to ask if this was the final batch of new gen III mons or not. How many will be left after this thing rolls out?

Gen 3:
  • Taillow → Swellow
  • Wingull → Pelipper
  • Surskit → Masquerain
  • Nincada → Ninjask (and) Shedinja
  • Volbeat
  • Illumise
  • Spinda
  • Swablu → Altaria
  • Castform
  • Kecleon
  • Tropius
  • Chimecho
  • Clamperl → Huntail (or) Gorebyss
  • Bagon → Shelgon → Salamence
  • Beldum → Metang → Metagross
  • Regirock
  • Regice
  • Registeel
  • Latias
  • Latios
  • Rayquaza
  • Jirachi
  • Deoxys
My guess is, minus the legendaries, we're due for one more wave for the rest of gen 3 to be out.

Remora posted:

Is it better to power up and then evolve, or vice versa, or does it matter? I'm having trouble getting a grasp of how CP works in relation to IVs and levels and poo poo.

It doesn't matter. All Pokemon are at their own levels that you can't really see, but they go from 1 to 40. When you catch a Pokemon, its possible level it can start at are 1 to whatever level you are, but maxes out at 30 (35 during the right weather boosts). You know when you view a Pokemon and you see that arc behind it? When you power it up, the arc reaches further with the white. That's what the level is. Every power up is half a level though, so you might see an app that helps determine their level say it's maybe level 18.5 or something.

Knowing this, when you evolve, your Pokemon's level stays the same, but obviously it's on a different track of CP. I'm making up numbers here, but like a Squirtle's CP goes from like 10cp at level 1 to 950cp at level 40, and a Wartortle's CP goes from 50cp at level 1 to 1300cp at level 40. It's NOT a multiplier when you evolve a Pokemon, so you're not missing out on exponentially increasing a Pokemon's CP if you failed to power it up before evolving. They end up being the same no matter if you power up or evolve first.

If your Pokemon has higher IVs, then it'll end up with more CP. Most people will tell you in here that after doing the math, it's not going to make a huge difference in raid or gym battles since you're fighting a CPU controlled enemy and the one or two more attacks you might be able to tank won't help much, nor will it ever change the CPU's pattern of firing off charge attacks. It's really hard to say, because you never know how many people will be fighting in a raid, and sometimes good IVs just might help make the difference in finishing a raid boss in time. Right now though, it's probably more for collectors/perfectionists unless Niantic finds a way to make PvP battling, where it might matter more.

Cowslips Warren
Oct 29, 2005

What use had they for tricks and cunning, living in the enemy's warren and paying his price?

Grimey Drawer
Why do we get new gen 3 out when all the nests are loving gen1? Oh boy, we have loving 6 Goldeen nests within an hour of each other. No Magikarp. No starters. ONE Gen3 nest that is Nosepass. Yay.

Darth TNT
Sep 20, 2013
I bet Tropius will be another regional. :sigh:

TheMaestroso
Nov 4, 2014

I must know your secrets.

Cowslips Warren posted:

Why do we get new gen 3 out when all the nests are loving gen1? Oh boy, we have loving 6 Goldeen nests within an hour of each other. No Magikarp. No starters. ONE Gen3 nest that is Nosepass. Yay.

Nests aren't exclusively a particular gen. The nests around here switch gens pretty regularly when nests change.

mastershakeman
Oct 28, 2008

by vyelkin

TheMaestroso posted:

Nests aren't exclusively a particular gen. The nests around here switch gens pretty regularly when nests change.

the point is gen1 probably shouldn't be nesting this much. let alone the issues with non nesting pokes (wife still doesn't have grimer)

Louisgod
Sep 25, 2003

Always Stupid
Bread Liar
Apparently 37 degrees and intense downpours is the equivalent to snow in this game for some reason.

Even when it's snowing in game jack poo poo spawns. The weather system is hot garbage when it comes to spawning poo poo that aligns with the weather.

mastershakeman
Oct 28, 2008

by vyelkin

Louisgod posted:

Apparently 37 degrees and intense downpours is the equivalent to snow in this game for some reason.

Even when it's snowing in game jack poo poo spawns. The weather system is hot garbage when it comes to spawning poo poo that aligns with the weather.

I feel like it just steps up spawns by one rank, so rares are still stupidly rare.

Chairman Mao
Apr 24, 2004

The Chinese Communist Party is the core of leadership of the whole Chinese people. Without this core, the cause of socialism cannot be victorious.
Steel and ice Pokemon are incredibly rare in some places, weather just bumps them up to "still pretty loving rare". We get a ton of Spheal and Magnemite when its snowy around here but that's about it. I guess Swinubs and Arons show up a little bit too, but not really in the same numbers.

I have never seen a dragon spawn in windy weather.

Parrotine posted:

You could say that about Rhydon but that doesn't stop people from loading him up in all the gyms I run across

Rhyhorns are loving everywhere and people still have lots from when they were relevant to the gym system. They are essentially high cp garbage that people dump into gyms because they're not going to use them for anything else. Which is probably what's going to happen to Aggron in a few months.

Chairman Mao fucked around with this message at 18:41 on Jan 25, 2018

seiferguy
Jun 9, 2005

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I haven't seen a single dratini since weather was introduced. I just looked at the map there isn't a single one in the Seattle area. The weather has rotated from cloudy to rainy, so it's all the same poo poo. Spheals, wurmple, oddish, machops, gulpins, and maybe the occasional ralts. The system would be cool if it wasn't linked to the weather because it never snows where I'm at.

Cowslips Warren
Oct 29, 2005

What use had they for tricks and cunning, living in the enemy's warren and paying his price?

Grimey Drawer

TheMaestroso posted:

Nests aren't exclusively a particular gen. The nests around here switch gens pretty regularly when nests change.

I know it's random and the nests are likely generated by computer random logs but there is no reason we should have so many gen 1 nests and few to no Gen 2 nests and 1 to 2 gen 3 nests.

Likewise there is no reason so many of the eggs have to be from gen 1 by this point. They removed the rat in Pidgey and they really should remove several of the others like Ponyta Growlithe the male and female Nidoran Etc.

Chairman Mao
Apr 24, 2004

The Chinese Communist Party is the core of leadership of the whole Chinese people. Without this core, the cause of socialism cannot be victorious.
Only Snorunt is a pure ice type (at least for now), and only Gen 5's Klink line is pure steel so the rest of the steel/ice types should be boosted by other weather conditions. I think that's probably by design because what does steel have to do with snowy weather?

Cowslips Warren posted:

I know it's random and the nests are likely generated by computer random logs but there is no reason we should have so many gen 1 nests and few to no Gen 2 nests and 1 to 2 gen 3 nests.

Likewise there is no reason so many of the eggs have to be from gen 1 by this point. They removed the rat in Pidgey and they really should remove several of the others like Ponyta Growlithe the male and female Nidoran Etc.

We have had a ton of reasonably rare gen 3 Pokemon nest around here lately, you unfortunately just got the rear end end of the rng this time. They'll probably roll around to you eventually.

If it helps any, they've removed all gen 1 and 2 Pokemon from the egg pool temporarily and you haven't been able to hatch a nidoran in ages.

Chairman Mao fucked around with this message at 19:31 on Jan 25, 2018

seiferguy
Jun 9, 2005

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Chairman Mao posted:

Only Snorunt is a pure ice type (at least for now), and only Gen 5's Klink line is pure steel so the rest of the steel/ice types should be boosted by other weather conditions. I think that's probably by design because what does steel have to do with snowy weather?

I guess there wasn't really a good spot to put steel otherwise. My suggestion is they put steel in partly cloudy, since that only has normal and rock boost.

All the other weather types kind of make sense, except for cloudy.

AweStriker
Oct 6, 2014

seiferguy posted:

I haven't seen a single dratini since weather was introduced.

I've seen Dratini once ever. It doesn't feel good.

Julio Cruz
May 19, 2006

Cowslips Warren posted:

I know it's random and the nests are likely generated by computer random logs but there is no reason we should have so many gen 1 nests and few to no Gen 2 nests and 1 to 2 gen 3 nests.

Likewise there is no reason so many of the eggs have to be from gen 1 by this point. They removed the rat in Pidgey and they really should remove several of the others like Ponyta Growlithe the male and female Nidoran Etc.

There are more mons in gen 1 than 2 or what's been released of 3, plus a decent chunk of gen 2 are babies and evolves that need items, none of which spawn at all.

If you're going to take earlier gen mons out of the game then it really has to be all or nothing. Ponyta and Growlithe for example are pretty rare where I am, I'd much rather get rid of Goldeen and Poliwag.

Away all Goats
Jul 5, 2005

Goose's rebellion

Dratini has gotten considerably rarer ever since gen 3's initial release. Larvitar has straight up vanished.

mastershakeman
Oct 28, 2008

by vyelkin

Away all Goats posted:

Dratini has gotten considerably rarer ever since gen 3's initial release. Larvitar has straight up vanished.

I was so excited for fog weather to see lots of larvitar and...nope. none

Chairman Mao
Apr 24, 2004

The Chinese Communist Party is the core of leadership of the whole Chinese people. Without this core, the cause of socialism cannot be victorious.

mastershakeman posted:

I was so excited for fog weather to see lots of larvitar and...nope. none

No there wouldn't be, fog only boosts ghost and dark types. You want sunny/clear or partly cloudy for the ground or rock boost.

kensei
Dec 27, 2007

He has come home, where he belongs. The Ancient Mariner returns to lead his first team to glory, forever and ever. Amen!


We used to have a lot more Dratini on the riverfronts, not so much any more. I did a lot of raids to get Larvitar candy since they almost never spawn here, and I did a lot of hunting during the rock event. I still see a few of each on the city map but not often.

seiferguy
Jun 9, 2005

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Chairman Mao posted:

No there wouldn't be, fog only boosts ghost and dark types. You want sunny/clear or partly cloudy for the ground or rock boost.

The game has shown to boost the first form of final forms typing even if they aren't the same. Torchic is common in cloudy weather because Blaziken is a fighting type (although Torchic won't be weather boosted), and Slugma shows up in partly cloudy because Magcargo is rock. So I wouldn't be surprised if Larvitars showed up in fog. You'd still as to catch them in sunny / partly cloudy weather for the boost, though.

TheMaestroso
Nov 4, 2014

I must know your secrets.

Cowslips Warren posted:

Likewise there is no reason so many of the eggs have to be from gen 1 by this point. They removed the rat in Pidgey and they really should remove several of the others like Ponyta Growlithe the male and female Nidoran Etc.

Well, good news then! All eggs received since yesterday (I think) now only hatch gen 3 mons. Per this chart:

seiferguy
Jun 9, 2005

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That 2k list is absolutely depressing.

mastershakeman
Oct 28, 2008

by vyelkin
why the hell are spheals in 5kms

Louisgod
Sep 25, 2003

Always Stupid
Bread Liar

TheMaestroso posted:

Well, good news then! All eggs received since yesterday (I think) now only hatch gen 3 mons. Per this chart:



Wait, is this true? I've been waiting FOREVER for some sort of confirmation of this as I want to purge all my poo poo eggs and start incubating eggs that aren't complete loving trash.

TheMaestroso
Nov 4, 2014

I must know your secrets.

Louisgod posted:

Wait, is this true? I've been waiting FOREVER for some sort of confirmation of this as I want to purge all my poo poo eggs and start incubating eggs that aren't complete loving trash.

It's from the Silph Road - I think they're still working on official confirmations in an upcoming real research/blog post.

E: From one of head people over there:

dronpes posted:

These have also been updated on the Silph Road's egg resource: https://thesilphroad.com/egg-distances

But one caveat: these have not all been fully confirmed by the Silph Research group, nor their rarity tiers at this point.

TheMaestroso fucked around with this message at 00:36 on Jan 26, 2018

Louisgod
Sep 25, 2003

Always Stupid
Bread Liar

TheMaestroso posted:

It's from the Silph Road - I think they're still working on official confirmations in an upcoming real research/blog post.

Nice, that explains why the two 2k eggs I received yesterday hatched an Aron and Whismur. Thought I just got lucky with the odds.

Beastyfella
Mar 5, 2008

I have lost all powers of reading comprehension and counting ability hours ago
Come to Arizona if you want a Bonanza of the latest release. Numel, cacnea, trapinch, claydol are all incredibly common.

Less common but still plentiful are nosepass, aron, lileep, whismur. Stage twos pop up here and there.

Solrock is really rare and you'd need a scanner or good luck to find it. I caught two thanks to a scanner this week.

It's always Sunny here so any of those types spawn like crazy.

Crosspeice
Aug 9, 2013

No thanks, I'll just keep encountering Pidgey, Rattata, Hoothoot, Sentret and Zigzagoon forever since it's been Partly Cloudy all day.

Rock types? Never heard of them.

Mustached Demon
Nov 12, 2016

It's been cloudy all the time here so we get all of the snubull and Mankey.

Steels with ice because that shits cold rolled baby.

seiferguy
Jun 9, 2005

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Aggron raids are a thing now. Level 4. Will have to try it when I get a chance.

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Cowslips Warren
Oct 29, 2005

What use had they for tricks and cunning, living in the enemy's warren and paying his price?

Grimey Drawer

Chairman Mao posted:

Only Snorunt is a pure ice type (at least for now), and only Gen 5's Klink line is pure steel so the rest of the steel/ice types should be boosted by other weather conditions. I think that's probably by design because what does steel have to do with snowy weather?


We have had a ton of reasonably rare gen 3 Pokemon nest around here lately, you unfortunately just got the rear end end of the rng this time. They'll probably roll around to you eventually.

If it helps any, they've removed all gen 1 and 2 Pokemon from the egg pool temporarily and you haven't been able to hatch a nidoran in ages.

I've hatched about ten Nidorans from eggs, all recent eggs, in December. So they're still there.

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