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sweet geek swag posted:I agree that it is not meant to be homophobic, it is actually more that they were catering to stereotypes about French people. It's still a good ep. I'll forgive just about everything for the scene where Basil gives his car a "good thrashing" with a tree branch. I think he was actually meant to be Greek, but I haven't seen the episode in a while.
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I do have to wonder if the harsher ratings and actual enforcement of them killed certain kinds of movies, like the old Elm Street and other goofy horror movies that mostly appealed to kids and teens. I remember a Simpsons comic strip that had the kids buying tickets to a kiddy movie so they could go to the action movie instead, and then later the cinema has nothing but kiddie movies because that's what sold.
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SEX BURRITO posted:Does the not nice comment relate to her racism? The books were extremely dodgy in their portrayal of Native Americans, while the show was a lot more careful to show how tolerant the Wilders were. Absolutely to the racism as well as classism, abuse, and stealing of indigenous peoples’ land just for starters. They kept pulling their own family (and others) into money-making attempts/schemes that were doomed to fail, repeatedly, from what I can tell because they believed as white Christian homesteaders they deserved to succeed. And this barely touches on the garbage fire that was Rose Wilder’s life. Sorry, not very TV related and I don’t want to derail further but I find Prairie Fires fascinating in how it ties into modern white American privilege, especially where Rose Wilder was concerned. Little House the TV show was very, very much fiction through and through. I suppose one can ask the question of how well “based on a true story” has aged in terms of what viewers will accept.
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JediTalentAgent posted:I have been wondering since we started talking about the NC-17 if it wasn't merely a response to the whole X-rating thing but there might have been something more going on with it. Specifically, if the NC-17 gained mainstream acceptance or respectability, would we be seeing more films as NC17 that wouldn't have normally qualified? Forget about NC-17, up until about two years ago studios were not making big budget tent pole R movies. They rely too much on repeated viewings by teenagers so everything was PG-13 tops. Then Deadpool happened. IT too I guess. But like Deadpool, that was still a surprise hit and didn't have that big a budget. So the market for R rated films is still pretty small. NC-17 would have been minuscule.
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Wheat Loaf posted:I think he was actually meant to be Greek, but I haven't seen the episode in a while. lol that's hardly an improvement as far as stereotypes go That episode aged kind of weirdly. The plot "gay guy makes a pass at straight friend, they both freak out to extremes" is gay panic as hell, but having a gay guy that's semi-out and still passes for straight is pretty ahead of its time (as someone mentioned, Cleese's personal friendship with Graham Chapman probably helped on that count.) the holy poopacy has a new favorite as of 16:37 on Jan 27, 2018 |
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Straight White Shark posted:lol that's hardly an improvement as far as stereotypes go Oh, it's absolutely entirely the case so Basil can get the, "They practically invented it!" line in.
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Regarding NC-17, I remember when it was a new thing this diagram was posted at my local theater, and it still makes me laugh today: I love the young guy with the huge grin that suddenly pops up for the NC-17 example.
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Jan 27, 2018 18:04
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Choco1980 posted:I love the young guy with the huge grin that suddenly pops up for the NC-17 example. It's Mom & Dad's day off with their Special Friend, I'm glad they're still spicing up their marriage after all these years.
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Samuringa posted:It's Mom & Dad's day off with their Special Friend, I'm glad they're still spicing up their marriage after all these years. Also bunny from the family that went to the G and PG movies with them is wearing a disguise so as not to make them realize it's him in the theater with them.
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Has Fritz the Cat been mentioned? I thought that movie was made for the sake of using the X-rating. Though in a modern viewing it's pretty standard HBO material. Maybe less.
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Choco1980 posted:Regarding NC-17, I remember when it was a new thing this diagram was posted at my local theater, and it still makes me laugh today: look at the fuckin nerd goin to the R movie with his mom
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Kinda hosed up that they discriminate against giraffes and only let 'em see G rated movies
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El Gallinero Gros posted:Kinda hosed up that they discriminate against giraffes and only let 'em see G rated movies Giraffes shouldn't be in theaters at all.
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Henchman of Santa posted:Giraffes shouldn't be in theaters at all. Ya know, you're part of the problem
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El Gallinero Gros posted:Kinda hosed up that they discriminate against giraffes and only let 'em see G rated movies It's a Giraffe, not a PGiraffe. Take it up with the taxonomists.
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Solar Tornado posted:Has Fritz the Cat been mentioned? I thought that movie was made for the sake of using the X-rating. One piece of movie trivia I was very surprised to learn is that Fritz the Cat was one of the highest-grossing movies of 1972. I think it's got to be the only one of its kind (i.e. a western animated comedy movie explicitly made for adults) to achieve that level of success. Similarly: Deep Throat was apparently the highest-grossing movie of all time for a while between The Godfather and Jaws, but it's never been "officially" counted as such because porno theatres didn't publish their box office office receipts (and I think the porn industry was run by the mob at the time).
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RagnarokAngel posted:Ya know, you're part of the problem Would you want a giraffe sat in front of you in the cinema?
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So you’re saying giraffes can come to the movies, but they have to sit in the back? 
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lemon-lyme disease posted:So you’re saying giraffes can come to the movies, but they have to sit in the back? Even then they might block the projector
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SUPERMAN'S GAL PAL posted:Sorry, not very TV related and I don’t want to derail further but I find Prairie Fires fascinating in how it ties into modern white American privilege, especially where Rose Wilder was concerned. Little House the TV show was very, very much fiction through and through. I suppose one can ask the question of how well “based on a true story” has aged in terms of what viewers will accept. Lol, I looked up Rose Wilder and apparently she helped found the American Libertarian movement. So there's book after book about your mother almost starving to death, not being able to afford medical care, and the family almost going bankrupt to pay for school for your blind aunt to go to school, and yet your politics go THAT way? Choco1980 posted:
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Straight White Shark posted:look at the fuckin nerd goin to the R movie with his mom in hindsight I don't know why he would do that but I am grateful
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Wheat Loaf posted:(and I think the porn industry was run by the mob at the time). I know this will make me sound weird, but do you have any further reading about this? Genuinely interested about this.
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Solar Tornado posted:I know this will make me sound weird, but do you have any further reading about this? Genuinely interested about this. Unfortunately not, sorry.  (I was going by Wikipedia; Deep Throat itself was financed by New York gangster Anthony Peraino.) Wheat Loaf has a new favorite as of 21:38 on Jan 27, 2018 |
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This reminds me of a "looking back" section of the local newspaper of record I readquote:1993: While the city of Troy had been attracting movie makers in the past year, it had attracted so few moviegoers that its only non-pornographic movie theater was forced to close. Although The Troy Atrium Cinemas was still listing its offerings in local newspapers and a sign inside the mall announced that "Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles III" would be coming soon, the six-screen cineplex had buttered its last bucket of popcorn.
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The only rating explanation you need. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SzbE0wpqeKc
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Wheat Loaf posted:Similarly: Deep Throat was apparently the highest-grossing movie of all time for a while between The Godfather and Jaws, but it's never been "officially" counted as such because porno theatres didn't publish their box office office receipts (and I think the porn industry was run by the mob at the time). Yeah, Deep Throat made over 100 million and most of that was in the 1970's, so think $400 million in 2017 dollars.
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Krispy Wafer posted:Yeah, Deep Throat made over 100 million and most of that was in the 1970's, so think $400 million in 2017 dollars. Is...is it worth seeing?
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Beachcomber posted:Is...is it worth seeing? Is it worth watching a movie that has someone being raped, as has become clear quite a long time ago, from testimony by the main actress? I don't know, are you a piece of poo poo? If not, probably give it a pass, okay?
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Beachcomber posted:Is...is it worth seeing? I've never seen it, but other 70's porn films are bananas and definitely worth seeing. Spirit of Seventeen Seventy Sex has Ben Franklin and George Washington (not in the same sense unfortunately).
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SEX BURRITO posted:Lol, I looked up Rose Wilder and apparently she helped found the American Libertarian movement. So there's book after book about your mother almost starving to death, not being able to afford medical care, and the family almost going bankrupt to pay for school for your blind aunt to go to school, and yet your politics go THAT way? American pioneers bravely homesteading "new" land is a classic bootstrapian view of history. They worked hard and survived, so anybody can!
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Except all the ones who have died of dysentery
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Wheat Loaf posted:One piece of movie trivia I was very surprised to learn is that Fritz the Cat was one of the highest-grossing movies of 1972. I think it's got to be the only one of its kind (i.e. a western animated comedy movie explicitly made for adults) to achieve that level of success. Yea, people would go see Deep Throat with their friends and wifes/husbands and stuff. Imagine going to a packed porno theater?
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Tumble posted:Yea, people would go see Deep Throat with their friends and wifes/husbands and stuff. Imagine going to a packed porno theater? I'd rather not.
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I like how that was the era of porn where "storytelling" was supposed to be as important as sex but it's still a movie about a woman with a clit in her throat
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Tumble posted:Yea, people would go see Deep Throat with their friends and wifes/husbands and stuff. Imagine going to a packed porno theater? So were we supposed to find the date at the Times Square porno theater credible in Taxi Driver, with only the specific film being inappropriate for a first date?
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You go with your buddy and both jerk off while trying not too look at each other. Than go for some beers.
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Krispy Wafer posted:Forget about NC-17, up until about two years ago studios were not making big budget tent pole R movies. They rely too much on repeated viewings by teenagers so everything was PG-13 tops. Then Deadpool happened. But the 80s through very early 2000s seemed like the golden age of the R rating. You could still make and release a relatively large budget R-rated film or an extremely raunchy (or just mature) comedy, drama or horror flick get theatrical releases, get critiqued, have a lot of different audiences in mind, do good business. https://www.the-numbers.com/movies/mpaa-rating/R-(US) Looking at that list, there's a point where the majority of R-rated films go from, "Yeah, that was a fairly hyped up and I've at least HEARD of that movie" to "What is that even?"
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Henchman of Santa posted:I like how that was the era of porn where "storytelling" was supposed to be as important as sex but it's still a movie about a woman with a clit in her throat Most of my knowledge of porn from the 70s comes from Boogie Nights. I've heard a story, which I'm very disappointed is almost certainly made up, that the extras for Boogie Nights weren't told it was a 70s period piece, but heard it was a Burt Reynolds movie so they showed up in 70s clothes anyway.
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Absurd Alhazred posted:So were we supposed to find the date at the Times Square porno theater credible in Taxi Driver, with only the specific film being inappropriate for a first date? What? No, I think your'e supposed to find the scene creepy and weird because it's basically their first date (aside from the coffee and pie scene) and taking her to a porno movie shows Travis' total lack of social skills. What the other guy was talking about was a very brief moment of porn chic in the 70's where couples would go to porn movies. Celebrities too.
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A bar I go to features "Smut and Eggs" every Saturday night where they play 70's porn and serve their brunch menu for cheap.
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