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THE AWESOME GHOST posted:Am I supposed to be switching over to USB healers? Yshtola with BSB seems so useful, and USBs are more of a panic button than something like an AOE heal every turn. I have stuff like Relm USB (but only USB, nothing else) and a single target Curaja + shellga or something is not always enough for a healer in between Ultras Relm USB is good, but you'd want either a source of doublecast on her or to have Gathering Storm permanently stapled to her for harder content. Healer BSBs are so far the only ones that are evergreen, both because of command medicas and because heals haven't gotten any more ridiculous with power creep. Healer USBs can generally mitigate not having a BSB - Relm USB absolutely makes her worthwhile to level up to 99 for things like MP or CMs/Crystal Tower - but very few are actively BETTER than the best Healer BSBs, particularly ones on a healer with a doublecast White dive. (Y'shtola and Deuce are the big ones there, with Alma coming up next FFT event) Basically, if I were to personally tier by power, Rosa USB would be at the top, with Relm/Eiko/Larsa USBs and Y'shtola/Deuce/Alma BSBs slightly below that, then Sarah/Relm/Larsa BSBs and most unmentioned healer USBs below that. Rosa, Y'shtola, and Larsa get slightly higher rankings since they can wrath up to spam their SBs if need be, though Larsa loses some points since Astra isn't always necessary. Boy howdy when it is, though. KataraniSword fucked around with this message at 10:04 on Jan 29, 2018 |
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ApplesandOranges posted:That's not Reraise, that's regular Raise. oh whoops  Still!
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Swapped Ace out for undived Yuffie and trimmed the time down by 5-7s. At the very least, Isgebind is pretty farmable now (I might see if I can get away with changing Eiko for Aphmau). It's not quick, but it's pretty clean. With enough farming I'll probably give Tiamat another go.
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KataraniSword posted:Relm USB is good, but you'd want either a source of doublecast on her or to have Gathering Storm permanently stapled to her for harder content. Yeah this is what it felt like - in my specific case Relm or Yuna USB is a step down from Yshtola + Doublecast BSB, especially as I don't have the Relm doublecast materia. USBs give ridiculous buffs but they generally aren't spammable except in the case of Rosa, which makes it really good. On top of that Yshtola has Wall in case you need it on her and it's just very difficult to give her up.
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It's easier to give up Wall when it's locked as a RW choice for endgame content. JP has even gotten to the point where the hardest content now has auto-Wall built in.
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Schwartzcough posted:DeNA really overvalues reraise in this game. As in, the relics with reraise are almost always really really bad compared to the competition. I agree DeNA seems to think Reraise is a lot better than it actually is, but time has actually not been -that- unkind to it - reraise was actually a lot worse back in the pre-multiplayer, pre-entrustbotting days, where rebuffing was so much at a premium that revival of any sort was always a waste of time. DeNA at least is learning to slap Reraise/Raise on combos where it isn’t completely trivialized (best example being Yuna’s USB. Deuce’s USB also isn’t a terrible example) - Reraise isn’t so bad when it’s part of an ampler package, it’s just an awful sales pitch. This said, reraise - and revival as a whole - will possibly see a decent improvement in the upcoming Torment Renewal, since permament Sentinel’s Grimoire effect mitigates one of Reraise’s biggest issues considerably.
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I wouldn't be surprised if, say, FFX or FFT0 Torments had bosses with Auto-hit Doom or Death attacks, since that bypasses Last Stand and forces you to pack some kind of revival for those incredibly lengthy fights. Realm Chain RWs also mean that 'needing to rebuff' is less important in those fights since your main damage buff is a field effect. Bard songs and Hastega also make it easier to get back up to full speed.
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Parasol Waddle Dee posted:I agree DeNA seems to think Reraise is a lot better than it actually is, but time has actually not been -that- unkind to it - reraise was actually a lot worse back in the pre-multiplayer, pre-entrustbotting days, where rebuffing was so much at a premium that revival of any sort was always a waste of time. DeNA at least is learning to slap Reraise/Raise on combos where it isn’t completely trivialized (best example being Yuna’s USB. Deuce’s USB also isn’t a terrible example) - Reraise isn’t so bad when it’s part of an ampler package, it’s just an awful sales pitch. This said, reraise - and revival as a whole - will possibly see a decent improvement in the upcoming Torment Renewal, since permament Sentinel’s Grimoire effect mitigates one of Reraise’s biggest issues considerably. I mean, Deuce and Yuna USBs work better because they're Raise, and apply several other buffs to the newly raised people that helps them stay alive and contribute; that does not apply to reraise, where you are always brought back without any other buffs. Reraise is real bad outside of fights where all the damage is piercing. ApplesandOranges posted:I wouldn't be surprised if, say, FFX or FFT0 Torments had bosses with Auto-hit Doom or Death attacks, since that bypasses Last Stand and forces you to pack some kind of revival for those incredibly lengthy fights. The permanent Sentinel Grimoire effect and realm chain might help a bit, but keep in mind- those torment bosses have such absurd stats that you generally need Sentinel Grimoire AND shellga/protectga to not get immediately gibbed, and you want the realm chain AND buffs (unless you have really good synergy gear and are at the softcaps without buffs) to do significant damage. So I agree that reraise might be slightly better in future Torments (plus by then hastega will be a castable white mage ability), but it's still overall a really bad effect.
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Realm Dungeons got tough. Those XI ones are ridiculous when they turn into boss rushes. The XII ones too. Well, I guess XII is in the penultimate dungeon now. It's pretty neat actually, I just wish they had the updated boss info things because they've been very rude about resistances. Might have another crack at Magicites soon
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Gosh, the Jump Start was surprisingly strong this time around. Thunder Breath does a lot of damage and loves to home in on people. I still beat it, but I had both the holy imperil ladies dead by the end. Cecil could only stick around due to his USB's HP Stock honestly. I never got him to crack 10,000 damage with his USB, which sucked too. Maybe I was supposed to do something with that "breaksight", but it, like, only stuck around for a single turn before disappearing. Weird. Either way, at least I beat and mastered it despite that sloppy showing.
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Alxprit posted:Gosh, the Jump Start was surprisingly strong this time around. Thunder Breath does a lot of damage and loves to home in on people. I still beat it, but I had both the holy imperil ladies dead by the end. Cecil could only stick around due to his USB's HP Stock honestly. I never got him to crack 10,000 damage with his USB, which sucked too. Maybe I was supposed to do something with that "breaksight", but it, like, only stuck around for a single turn before disappearing. Weird. Yeah I didn't read an online guide for it, going in with just Dr. Mog's lovely insight. They really don't tell you enough about how ridiculously high his defensive stats are. Triple wind imperil, Rikku USB, Cloud's USB, Bartz USB AND snowspell strike only got my Bartz to hit him for like 9k per hit.
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iamsosmrt posted:Yeah I didn't read an online guide for it, going in with just Dr. Mog's lovely insight. They really don't tell you enough about how ridiculously high his defensive stats are. Triple wind imperil, Rikku USB, Cloud's USB, Bartz USB AND snowspell strike only got my Bartz to hit him for like 9k per hit. Yeah, for those who are going in blind like this: The A+/JS for this event has higher defensive stats than 3* Magicites, though a bit less HP. It also has no weaknesses natively. The trick is, when it's staggered from you murdering the Breaksight, its defenses drop to ~2500. For the record, that's on par with a U++ boss. He's also going to be our Tier 4/Armageddon boss on the next Crystal Tower.  Hope you enjoy trying to chew into 70k DEF and 86k RES... (to compare, Midgardsormr, the tankiest 4* Magicite, has 34k/45k naturally. So yeah, enjoy a boss twice as tanky as that with no exploitable weakness, albeit with half the HP.)
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KataraniSword posted:He's also going to be our Tier 4/Armageddon boss on the next Crystal Tower. Please tell me the breaksight comes back in the CT version.
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Eight-Six posted:Please tell me the breaksight comes back in the CT version. It does. According to Zurai's notes it's up for two of the breaksight's turns at 500 speed and you have to deal 40k damage instead of 30k.
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Isgebind finally down in 45 seconds. Shocked it took this long (my fire game is strong), but it feels good to get it done. Everyone has a full LD. Papa, Cid and OK are fortunate enough to have +Fire weapons and armor. My previous failure had Larsa (BSB) in for Vanille and Krile (SSB, LMR) for Cid. The regen was nice, but I just found that Krile wasn't doing enough total damage with 4 casts of the 6* summon. I liked Cid for the extra +defense from his Burst. As for Larsa, Wrath-Wrath-BSB just could not keep up later on in the fight. Your SB gauge fills up pretty quickly so I figured I could rotate Vanille's USB and BSB and it worked. I've shattered all my 3*/4* fire skills so Papa was stuck with Flare to start out. Vanille: USB -> Curada just before full gauge -> Protectga -> BSB -> CMD2 until full gauge -> USB -> CMD2/Curada Papa: Flare -> BSB -> CMD2 -> CMD1 repeat -> Finish with OSB Cid: RW Wall -> Wrath -> Wrath -> Mom Bomb -> BSB -> Chain Firaga OK: USB -> Affliction Break -> Meltdown x3 -> Affliction Break -> USB -> repeat Edge: -> Ninja magic until full bar -> SSB -> repeat A couple of options to improve this time: 1. Craft another Chain Firaga (meh) 2. Swap Cid out for entruster with faithga and get Papa to spam the OSB. Minfilia (USB) would work here
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McDragon posted:Realm Dungeons got tough. Those XI ones are ridiculous when they turn into boss rushes. The XII ones too. Well, I guess XII is in the penultimate dungeon now. It's pretty neat actually, I just wish they had the updated boss info things because they've been very rude about resistances. The sheep in the XI realm dungeon trash waves suck so dang much. Maybe the FFXI torment boss, whenever JP gets it, should be a sheep.
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Armitage posted:The sheep in the XI realm dungeon trash waves suck so dang much. The Hostile Herbivores burning circle, then. 
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I'll throw my hot take in the healer USB pyre (GL only). Relm is the best hands down due the absurd effect solely. Eiko is a close second because of bard access. Aphmau Rosa Selphie Ovelia Lenna Minwu Aeris Deuce Yuna Vanille Yshtola I want my healers to contribute in the party's performance. Sarah is unlisted, if she's using USB she's a support. I initially liked Lenna's much more but her throughput really is too weak for a primary healer for harder stuff and she can't become a support. And I hate Yuna's non instant USB and I don't care how good it was in that one multiplayer run where everyone lagged and the boss took seven turns in row. For healer playstyle I'm a huge fan of Curada / USB use, I only use BSBs if they bring other useful effects (Last Stand/Astra etc) but quite rarely the commands. I haven't used my LD Yshtola in over two months.
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KataraniSword posted:Yeah, for those who are going in blind like this: The A+/JS for this event has higher defensive stats than 3* Magicites, though a bit less HP. It also has no weaknesses natively. The trick is, when it's staggered from you murdering the Breaksight, its defenses drop to ~2500. For the record, that's on par with a U++ boss. Just got to the same battle in A++ and my water team handled it easily with a Tidus USB RW on Bartz. With Yuffie and Kraken imperiling, Bartz EQS was hitting for 9k per hit, plus extra casts plus his chase plus Tidus chases. The Bartz/Tidus USB combo is by far my favorite thing I've put together in this game. It brings me back to the original power rangers coming the megazord with the dragon zord and jumping into titanus or whatever it was called.
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This weird not-event event is getting a pair of banners with it apparently:quote:Garland CSB quote:Tidus CSB That's quite the second banner there, the gently caress.
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Seriously can someone explain how they are healing through these 4* magicites? I am literally using two top-tier healer BSBs (Yshtola and Eiko) and every single boss except Marilis for some reason is just an endless brick wall of "boss does 4k AoE attack through mitigation and moderate resists, healer BSB goes off and heals them, instantly followed by another 4k AoE, cue up heals, another AoE goes off." It's loving absurd and I don't understand how it's even possible to keep up. Am I just hosed if I don't have a source of last stand and / or blink? Because somehow I don't have either of those and I've never managed to pull a single healer USB, against all odds. The only last stand I have is Edge's SSB, but he doesn't contribute enough to most of the fights to justify bringing him because then he takes up a DPS slot and I can't actually kill anything. Like I'm trying Tiamat and I have: Ramza w/ USB and Shout, full dive Squall w/ BSB2, full dive Bartz w/ BSB2 + Snowspell Strike, full dive Eiko w/ BSB, Protectga, and Warrior bard buff Yshtola w/ BSB, Shellga, Curada Everyone has moderate resists, using the Ice imperil as my main magicite since apparently there aren't any that offset wind damage. Like that team is fuckin' stacked with great relics, what the hell am I doing wrong here?
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Fister Roboto posted:Tiamat is a huge pain in the rear end and probably the hardest 4*. Put Affliction Break on Ramza if you haven't already, because that gives Absorb Strength/Magic a 50% chance to miss. I feel like my experiences are backwards because everyone is saying Marilis and Tiamat are the hardest, but I've almost got Marilis down to sub-30 and Tiamat is the closest I've come to beating any of the others except for a lucky Kraken run that I got down to 10%. I've been using Affliction Break, yeah. All of the magicites are just brutal and I don't get how people are doing them with 1 healer. If I brought an entruster for healers that would leave me with 1 buffer and 1 DPS, and there's no way I could possibly beat them before they enrage with only 1 damage dealer.
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Tiamat is definitely the roughest to heal through, yeah. If you can beat it first, Isgebind drops Magicites that help buffer Wind damage. Marilis is the case where a lot of people have an easier time with her because they pulled for a lot of Water stuff. It's also one of the 'easier' ones to do without certain relics as you could theoratically just dive a bunch of Ninjas and hone a lot of skills. And it's just going to vary. I've used one healer for the three Magicites I've cleared, but it was a very well-built one (full Dive Eiko with LMR and USB). Even then it's rough going for some fights. Similiarly, with Kraken I have a very strong Garnet that can clear out the tentacles before the 30s mark, so I have to worry a lot less about counters. I think based on what I've seen the consensus is that Midgarsormr and Isgebind have the lowest incoming damage, they're just bulky. Midgarsormr's main issue is constant Slow, and with Isgebind, while he does do a lot of AoEs, all the incoming damage is physical (so you can leave Shellga at home) and he has a 'weak' attack or two. With Isgebind and Ixion, you can have Edge SSB their worst moves, too.
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Jiminy Christmas. I have nine dupes on that second banner, but if you're a newer player or just plain don't have a lot of those, that's the banner to pull on. I'm having trouble healing through the 4* Magicites as well. I have a legend dived Y'shtola; she gets me through all the 3* ones as well as Maliris, but can't do it with any of the others. Even two healing them seems too much, and my second healer is a legend dived USB Eiko. I've gotten through Isgebind that way, and it's barely a sub-minute run. I haven't really made it lower than 25% on any of the others, but I'm not trying again until the new month.
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I actually kind of like the first banner for the whole Dark-elemental focus... I'm pretty weak there. The second banner's really frontloaded though, like what. It's too much for me to risk, though, like many here.
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Sesq posted:Jiminy Christmas. I have nine dupes on that second banner, but if you're a newer player or just plain don't have a lot of those, that's the banner to pull on. Yeah, that's the most stacked banner in FFRK history.
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I was saving for TG Cid but jesus that banner is ridiculous. Even with 7 dupes, I think I might throw all 100 of my mythril at it - I really, really want an OK USB or Cloud's USB, and Ramza's BSB2 would be great as well. How good is the FFT banner if I've already got Marche's USB + BSB and Orlandeau's OSB? I feel like I'd mostly be chasing Cid's USB and Ramza's BSB2, and since the latter is on tomorrow's banner, that kinda feels like the better option.
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Man, only having 3 dupes in OK USBm, Y'sh BSB, and Ramza Shout makes banner 2 really drat appealing. I still want to save for TGC USB banner, but daaaamn. Will they overlap at all?Grizzled Patriarch posted:I was saving for TG Cid but jesus that banner is ridiculous. Even with 7 dupes, I think I might throw all 100 of my mythril at it - I really, really want an OK USB or Cloud's USB, and Ramza's BSB2 would be great as well. Hmm, I'd think hard about skipping it if I were you. Especially if you already have Shout, as Ramza's BSB2 is basically just an upgrade, rather than a real game-changer. In addition to TGC USB, TGC LMR and Ramza LMR are also very good, but Ramza LMR looks like it's on this banner too.
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BGrifter posted:Yeah, that's the most stacked banner in FFRK history. As a newbie who got lucky and pulled the Onion Knight Physical and Magic on the last banner should I pull on this one or wait for that FFT banner that's coming? I was saving for that but I could pull once on this and still have 100 by the time the FFT banner comes, or pull twice and still have 50 by then. I can only clear 140's right now and some are too hard, 180s are still a ways off I think, but mostly because I've been using all my stamina farming realms instead of farming orbs for more hones. Washout fucked around with this message at 04:25 on Jan 30, 2018 |
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Washout posted:As a newbie who got lucky and pulled the Onion Knight Physical and Magic on the last banner should I pull on this one or wait for that FFT banner that's coming? I was saving for that but I could pull once on this and still have 100 by the time the FFT banner comes, or pull twice and still have 50 by then. I can only clear 140's right now and some are too hard, 180s are still a ways off I think, but mostly because I've been using all my stamina farming realms instead of farming orbs for more hones. I'd say if you have less than 4 dupes, pulling on this banner should be almost mandatory. Granted you DO have two of the very best items, but if those were your only dupes I'd still pull. pichupal posted:No luck. Banner 2 supposedly runs between February 2nd to 9th. XIV starts on the 7th, and Tactics only on the 15th. So it overlaps with Banner 1 of the XIV event (Haurchefant/Estinien/Alphinaud/Minfilia USB/BSB/LMR, Haurchefant/Estinien SSB), but not Tactics. Rats, thanks. That means I'm almost sure to pull Ramza BSB2 and/or LMR. Ah well.
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