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sebzilla posted:It's poo poo but freak show was worse. I haven't watched Coven but after the poo poo show that was Freak Show I don't think I can force myself to watch it.
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Jan 11, 2018 10:19
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I have a friend who loved Coven and didn't really like Asylum. We agree on almost everything else TV except these two seasons of AHS. It's baffling.
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Jan 11, 2018 17:19
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Ugh, bringing back Coven in any way, shape, or form might be what finally gets me to stop watching this show. I get that it's the season where a ton of people actually started watching AHS and people love it, but I don't care. Those people are dumb.  Give me Old West AHS already.
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Jan 11, 2018 17:28
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sebzilla posted:It's poo poo but freak show was worse.  Though I think freak show could have been much better if they had tightened it up enough to remove 4 or 5 episodes. A lot of the elements were dumb, but the whole thing was just a meandering mess that went on way too long.
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Jan 11, 2018 22:31
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sebzilla posted:It's poo poo but freak show was worse. Freak Show was bad because they were doing the whole Jessica Lange swan song (loving literally too) and it lost its track. Like they were trying to be serious and scary and it even started off that way with Dandy and the Clown but then it just got lost and boring and crappy. It still wasn't at the same objectively bad level as Coven. The only redeeming factor of Coven was KNOTTY PINE and Stevie Nicks. Even then it was more a spectacle than a show. The also brutal part about Coven was that it was set up so interestingly between the opening credit scene and the first episode. It looked like this creepy cult show set in New Orleans which is a city absolutely stuffed to the brim with macabre and horror. It was also fresh off of Asylum so we were all expecting this amazing season. I have never been let down as badly as I did watching the rest of that season. They went out of their way to make it a crap fest. Coven's bad. If you rate Coven as your top season you're going out of your way to ruin a show by supporting the ruin
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Jan 11, 2018 23:31
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I love Coven. This is known. I can at least admit it's trash and the worst season, though!
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Jan 11, 2018 23:56
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Blazing Ownager posted:It's the best season since Asylum. Though I have to warn it will seem cheesy as all gently caress for the first episode or so, until you kind of get the vibe of what they are going for. Okay I'm one of THOSE PEOPLE. I honestly do not get why you despise coven in that way. I disagree with every possible single point, and it's not like I have no background in watching a poo poo-ton of things and being a generally cool-rear end-motherfucker when it comes to cinema etc. who dies offscreen as an afterthought? Beees? Were we watching the same show? Who's the beverly hills witch? There are a lot of white chicks and I honestly can't figure out what the hell you are talking about. There are some problems with Coven (mostly around the ineffectual council that still has some pull for no reason ever, and the short-lived hunters bit) but in general it has a clear plot and every single episode is fun in it's own way. PLEASE don't compare coven to Freak Show. Freak show is a series of body-horror vignettes with no redeeming factors of any kind and no other story then than there is a creepy guy who is rich and also another guy who will steal/kill your freaks for money. I guess technically that is a story but no single character was really compelling except for Evan Peters like always. I'm gonna stick to my guns on this one and attribute the fact that 50% of people DESPISE coven so hard because there are literally no male characters in in that are anything at all (besides the axe man, and he's still a dead puppet overall). I have never had this feeling about any show or THING ever, but I honestly can't come up with another reason for the pure hate. Because it is (lol)scientifically better than hotel or freak show. Hillaryhate 
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Jan 28, 2018 07:46
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I also want to make it clear that it's not my favorite. I can clearly see how it's trashy, but it's good trashy and it gets a weird amount of hate. That's all.
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Jan 28, 2018 07:49
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The butler makes me really curious about how ghosts work in that season, or I guess generally. He doesn’t even really seem that inconvenienced.
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Jan 28, 2018 13:23
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DoggPickle posted:
Have you considered you didn't find anything wrong with it because you weren't actually watching the show? quote:I'm gonna stick to my guns on this one and attribute the fact that 50% of people DESPISE coven so hard because there are literally no male characters in in that are anything at all (besides the axe man, and he's still a dead puppet overall). I have never had this feeling about any show or THING ever, but I honestly can't come up with another reason for the pure hate. Because it is (lol)scientifically better than hotel or freak show. Hillaryhate Oh, you must be trolling. Never mind.
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Jan 28, 2018 13:34
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DoggPickle posted:Okay I'm one of THOSE PEOPLE. I honestly do not get why you despise coven in that way. I disagree with every possible single point, and it's not like I have no background in watching a poo poo-ton of things and being a generally cool-rear end-motherfucker when it comes to cinema etc. I have to agree, there's no way this isn't a troll post. None. DoggPickle posted:I also want to make it clear that it's not my favorite. I can clearly see how it's trashy, but it's good trashy and it gets a weird amount of hate. That's all. Every 5 minutes the plot is decided by rolling dice. The hate isn't strange for that.
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Jan 28, 2018 15:10
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IIRC when Coven was turning to poo poo there was a lot of Women Empowerment v Men Suck arguments getting pumped out and rightfully so because Coven was about Women Empowerment v Men Suck. Not that it's a bad thing. I could easily get on board with a Women Empowerment v Men Suck group of witches. Just focus on quality over campy trash. I mean mind you we were just coming off of Asylum after the really dark Murder House too so we were all in a different mindset going into Coven. Then Ryan Murphy Glee'd the gently caress out of the show.
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Jan 28, 2018 18:49
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Yeah, coming out of Asylum I was super excited to see where the show was going next, and it sounded like it'd be great. Witches in New Orleans? That's extremely my poo poo. I bet they're going to have some horrifying twist on things and it'll be disturbing and weird and fun like the last two seasons! But instead we got quippy, annoying teenagers and a mountain of wasted potential. Not to mention the whole Girl Power thing they kept trying to push which felt like it amounted to "Yeah! Women are so powerful and strong except they're also constantly at each other's throats being catty bitches-- I mean, witches!" Parasol Prophet fucked around with this message at 21:24 on Jan 28, 2018 |
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Jan 28, 2018 21:21
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Doltos posted:IIRC when Coven was turning to poo poo there was a lot of Women Empowerment v Men Suck arguments getting pumped out and rightfully so because Coven was about Women Empowerment v Men Suck. How to handle this very thing COMPLETELY... Wrong: Coven Right: Cult "Women empowerment vs men suck" stories are the worst when the women are all self-absorbed backstabbing total loving morons, which was Coven in a nutshell. In fact shows/movies that try to push the whole female-empowerment angle while simultaneously being incredibly stupid so it comes off as women driving off a cliff doing the worst thing possible while metaphorically screaming "girl powwerrrr" it is just awful. By comparison Cult had varied characters on both sides despite touching the same theme and also addressed this a bit more head on with subversive approach and was way, way, way better. Same reason you have all the people bitching over the latest Star Wars. There's a character in there that's clearly a female empowerment character trying to do the men suck thing with another, while the guy is actually the only one showing any sense. Whenever anything does this it sets their own movement back, and it's entirely because lovely writers think powerful women = character that are always right and totally rule everything, but because the writer is bad they all come off like wildly over confident assholes that are loving up and don't want to critical feedback from anybody, because 'girls don't need no critical feedback.' If the intention of Coven was to show how much girls rule and men suck, it sure didn't have that effect on me. Instead I think the witches council was useless at enforcing any sort of internal law and barely existed while witches are all back stabbing, mentally unstable psychopaths who think of murder as a Monday. The realistic end to Coven was the military blowing up that house with a hellfire missile or locking them all in the deepest pit in the most remote black site bunker forever. ED: Also something I almost have to point out: Every one of these heavy handed ridiculous plots / character types is almost always written by a dude, across the board. I've never seen this poo poo actually written by professional female writers. So I'm absolutely blaming the writer guys for this poo poo. Blazing Ownager fucked around with this message at 22:46 on Jan 28, 2018 |
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Jan 28, 2018 22:32
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Coven is extra weird, even if we ignore the structural flaws, precisely because of the huge tonal shift between seasons. It's like he dropped a season of Scream Queens into AHS. AHS is often funny and campy, but Coven took it to 11.
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Jan 28, 2018 23:17
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I think I didn't see the tonal shift because I watched "Murder House" which didn't have a name at the time and then didn't see Asylum and then 2 years later watched Coven. Female empowerment in Cult? I watched them all and I feel like I have retained a large amount but if I miss someone, please call me out. But 3 out of 4 main women in Cult were previously sucked INTO THE CULT (plus the old lady who was at one point IN another cult).Exactly how does that feel powerful?
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Feb 1, 2018 01:46
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esperterra posted:AHS is often funny and campy, but Coven took it to 11. Fun and campy is great, but a plot that literally implodes every 5 minutes of screen time (and in many cases that is literally not even an exaggeration, like entire plots contradict themselves into dust with Dexter level efficiency) is not. I've heard Scream Queens is good but it also seemed to at least REMOTELY have a narrative that wasn't one dropped plot after another. I mean they drowned a major character mid-arc in a bathtub OFF CAMERA. A powerful character that ya know, would have tried to fight back. That's not camp, that's dumb as gently caress.
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Feb 2, 2018 13:50
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Oh, I agree entirely. It's a loving mess. S1 of Scream Queens is very good, you should watch it.
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Feb 2, 2018 13:52
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Scream Queens season 1 IS very good. It knew exactly what it wanted to be and told you from the start. Season 2 is a mess.
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Feb 2, 2018 15:50
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Scream Queens is great partly because it has all of the same silly plot holes as the worst seasons of AHS, but as a parody. Like the girls staying at the sorority house even after it's revealed there's a killer targeting them or one of the killers faking his own death and then just escaping from the morgue without anyone questioning his disappearance. Things like that happen in horror all the time, but SQ shoved it in our face. AHS is also doing this to some extent. I think it has become more obvious the last two seasons how self aware Ryan Murphy and his pals really are. Like, everyone was deriding Coven for deaths never ever being permanent, if the tone of the show had been more clearly meta and satirical that would have been a pretty funny joke. Roanoke even had a death that kind of mimicked the Ariana Grande death scene in SQ.
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Feb 3, 2018 20:58
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Only watch Scream Queens if you’re brave enough to attack the crack.
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Feb 3, 2018 22:03
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the truth posted:Only watch Scream Queens if you’re brave enough to attack the crack. My favorite line
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Feb 3, 2018 23:00
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That Ariana Grande scene is what sold me on SQ. I was already enjoying it, but it was like a revelatory moment of exactly what the show was. I love how everything in S1 is played entirely straight. The dialogue and situations are ridiculous, and it's funny af, but the way it's acted is juuuust right. I enjoyed S2 a lot, but it was a definite step down and couldn't capture the magic of the first season at all. Still a ton of fun tho. Stamos was pretty great and I even enjoyed Taylor Lautner.
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Feb 3, 2018 23:34
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sebzilla posted:It's poo poo but freak show was worse. Freak Show was boring, which is the biggest sin horror can commit. I saw Winchester last night and it's both boring and stupid.
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Feb 3, 2018 23:35
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freak show was looking good in the beginning and then took a big dump on itself
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Feb 4, 2018 07:14
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Joe Mama Poonana posted:freak show was looking good in the beginning and then took a big dump on itself Most pointless Freakshow cul-de-sac, go! Mine's Francis Conroy being turned into a marionette. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XYKCVp0IRl0
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Feb 4, 2018 13:27
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It's true, the fans have been the real American horror story all along
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Feb 13, 2018 21:20
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Bates is coming back. http://ew.com/tv/2018/03/20/american-horror-story-kathy-bates-season-8/
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Mar 20, 2018 21:49
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It will also be set in the future. Also, the Murder House/Coven season will most likely be season 9.
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Mar 21, 2018 23:02
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Joan Collins joining American Horror Story. http://ew.com/tv/2018/04/04/american-horror-story-season-8-joan-collins-ryan-murphy/
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Apr 4, 2018 18:28
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TheRealDeal posted:Vanderpool said the seller and the brokers had a duty to disclose the home’s role in the show and the frequent visitors it attracts, and specifically signed off that there were no nuisances in the neighborhood to disclose. The suit claims the buyers would not have purchased the home if they knew its connection. Hahahaha clown shoes posted:Freak Show was boring, which is the biggest sin horror can commit. I saw Winchester last night and it's both boring and stupid. Murder House: Interesting Character Piece Asylum: Great sprawling horror aesthetic and character piece Coven: Xavier's School for Gifted Murder Hogwarts: Heroes Season 3 edition Freak Show: Boring as gently caress Roanoke: Real fun bag of horrors Cult: Best since Asylum for taking the dumbest poo poo and running at full speed with it, tongue firmly in it's cheek the whole way I have to give credit where it is due: I loved how Cult trashed the whole political spectrum mercilessly. It'd been very easy for it to turn into a preachy show. Also I'd like to think someone told Charles Manson about the show and that's what sent him over the edge and killed him Blazing Ownager fucked around with this message at 19:24 on Apr 4, 2018 |
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Apr 4, 2018 19:19
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Hype train starting a little early this year. Still no real theme information other than "the future" being dialed back to "18 months from now".
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Apr 9, 2018 13:18
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haveblue posted:Hype train starting a little early this year. Still no real theme information other than "the future" being dialed back to "18 months from now". Lol, the notoriously similar in tone seasons Asylum and Coven 
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You mean Silence of the Lambs and Mean Girls weren't the exact same film? To that end, Peters is playing a "comedic" hairdresser.
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Apr 9, 2018 15:04
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OmegaBR posted:To that end, Peters is playing a "comedic" hairdresser. Sweeney Scissorhands?
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Apr 9, 2018 15:35
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Billie Lourd is coming back. The new season is rumored to be Radioactive. http://deadline.com/2018/05/american-horror-story-billie-lourd-return-season-8-cast-ryan-murphy-fx-booksmart-movie-olivia-wilde-1202394276/
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American Horror Story: New Vegas ??
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May 19, 2018 12:47
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Ryan Murphy confirmed this season is the Coven/Murder House crossover
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Chris James 2 posted:Ryan Murphy confirmed this season is the Coven/Murder House crossover Welp, I'm probably checking out until halfway to hear some feedback. Coven is beyond help and I have no desire to revisit it.
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