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yes, that's true, but these are amd graphics
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could you imagine if they put the kind of effort into it that they do their arm designs?
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infernal machines posted:could you imagine if they put the kind of effort into it that they do their arm designs? they spend more money on their gym than their mac os stuff so I doubt that could even happen
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Feb 4, 2018 02:24
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The Management posted:Apple should make their own discrete gpu That would be neat, but imagine the Nvidia Experience analog the eddy cue org would churn out for it.
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i was typing a thing on my iphone and it kept trying to autocorrect "narrow" to something else. not a good user experience, tim.
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Elder Postsman posted:i was typing a thing on my iphone and it kept trying to autocorrect "narrow" to something else. not a good user experience, tim. The input team was really surprised when I told them I didn't like typing on iPhone.
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cis autodrag posted:typing on iPhone. how long did it take you to get on brand
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cis autodrag posted:The input team was really surprised when I told them I didn't like typing on iPhone. they got it pretty much perfect in ios 3/4 and they've been loving it up every release since.
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Feb 4, 2018 02:46
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as a non-gpu person i have to ask, is there a reason why designing a discrete gpu would be significantly more difficult than designing an integrated gpu?
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hobbesmaster posted:how long did it take you to get on brand It's one less word to type so immediately. I have SwiftKey in my iPhone lol But I still use android for personal use
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rjmccall posted:as a non-gpu person i have to ask, is there a reason why designing a discrete gpu would be significantly more difficult than designing an integrated gpu? i would guess its a cost thing. an integrated gpu will add cost to the cpu and if you add too much gpu then its gonna make the cpu too expensive. also the people who want powerful gpus don't have a problem paying for the additional dGPU and enjoy the flexibility of adding/replacing the dGPU. so the goal is to make the iGPU as powerful as needed for regular use so its good enough that regular users don't have to buy a dGPU. you could theoretically make multiple different combos of cpu and different gpu but it would add complexity and skus that wont sell when there really is no benefit.
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also throwing a cheap amd gpu on a laptop board for those who need just a little more power is another good solution.
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hrm, alright, that’s an interesting way to look at it
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idk for sure but that would be my guess. I'm sure there are technical decisions you'd also have to make around integration with the cpu, sockets, cooling, etc...
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The Management posted:Apple should make their own discrete gpu probably wouldn't be too much of a stretch since they already made an integrated one to go on the A11x Bionic but if intel gives them a price break on the vega i7s pretty sure they'd only be too happy to slap them into rmbps more likely they'd go with intel's / vega over their own since someone's already done the work for them, plus they have a history of going with external vendors for graphics, first was ixMicro for their towers back in 1995.. AMD (ATI back then) first showed up in Macs in 1997, them and Apple have a long history
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also garbage tier amd is what apple users are used to
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i was impressed with how quickly imagine tech got parted out to buyers once apple ditched them powervr was deece and I can only assume they calculated that apple could overpower them with brute money force lawyers should they seek to redress any patent fisticuffs from apples somehow independent gpus but Im dumb so I dunno
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^^^ seem to remember imagine tech showing up at a few trade shows with a PCIe card version of their graphics chip, claimed they already had DirectX drivers already done for it, guess that was never going to make the market.. by contrast nvidias didn't show up in macs until july 2000, 5 yrs after amd/ati when geforce 2mx's were an option for the infamous g4 cube boy i remember the days when i was flashing cheapass pc geforces to use in macs, think i still have couple of modded 6200s lying around.. http://appleinsider.com/articles/18/02/02/apple-rd-spend-exceeds-3b-for-first-time-up-410m-from-september $2.999 billion on iOS development, $10 bux to buy more coffee filters for the lone java maker in the macOS division Binary Badger fucked around with this message at 03:50 on Feb 4, 2018 |
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rjmccall posted:as a non-gpu person i have to ask, is there a reason why designing a discrete gpu would be significantly more difficult than designing an integrated gpu? from a design perspective it’s not too difficult as GPUs generally scale linearly with added parallel instances. they would need to add a memory controller and pci endpoint, not a big deal. the hard part is that discrete gpus have a higher TDP than CPUs and require different chip package technology that is not generally available.
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Binary Badger posted:^^^ seem to remember imagine tech showing up at a few trade shows with a PCIe card version of their graphics chip, claimed they already had DirectX drivers already done for it, guess that was never going to make the market.. powervr already failed in the marektplace as a discrete gpu product it never seemed real likely they would re-enter
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Feb 4, 2018 05:13
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not as discrete graphics but they seemed to be the fastest licensable mobile graphic kings when matched with some tim designed arm cores, for a decent number of generations, before apple said "nope"
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Feb 4, 2018 05:51
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just throw an a12 with some hbm on a thunderbolt, boom as for dedicated from integrated intels attempts at going from one to the other have been pretty lol
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Bulgakov posted:not as discrete graphics but they seemed to be the fastest licensable mobile graphic kings when matched with some tim designed arm cores, for a decent number of generations, before apple said "nope" nah, they were not keeping up with Qualcomm and even arm. Apple has been customizing the gpu cores for several generations, starting with IMG designs but replacing more and more every year. by the time they told IMG that they are no longer licensing it they already had a fully custom gpu taping out.
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rjmccall posted:i want an easily-maintainable server farm full of cheap buildslaves that can be legally licensed to run macos Even Microsoft has this in VSTS, so it's probably not that big a deal.
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The Management posted:nah, they were not keeping up with Qualcomm and even arm. Apple has been customizing the gpu cores for several generations, starting with IMG designs but replacing more and more every year. by the time they told IMG that they are no longer licensing it they already had a fully custom gpu taping out. oh! still curious why there wasn't a publicized patent shakedown is there a wide industry-style MAD agreement?
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i miss the old days some times (not the stripes though)
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Chris Knight posted:(not the stripes though) brushed metal supremacy
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infernal machines posted:brushed metal supremacy its more of a combed metal really
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pinstripe supremecy
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this thread is making me nostalgic for my old 2009 Mac Mini such a plucky little computer
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Chris Knight posted:i miss the old days some times i think i still prefer os9 platinum to every modern os.
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mac users used to obsess about their dock and dashboard in ways that are impossible to describe the whole "minimalism" cargo cult was something else in particular
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jony neuemonic posted:i think i still prefer os9 platinum to every modern os. same also os9 finder to every modern file manager
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I bought my mom an iPhone SE since she was needing a new phone and my dad, an Android user, has convinced himself that she is trying to hide something because of the fingerprint reader. He doesn't realize his phone has a fingerprint reader as well 
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Astoundingly Ugly Baby posted:I bought my mom an iPhone SE since she was needing a new phone and my dad, an Android user, has convinced himself that she is trying to hide something because of the fingerprint reader. use your facial hole to communicate that to you're dad?
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nah, I want to see if they'll get divorced over a telephone button
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Astoundingly Ugly Baby posted:nah, I want to see if they'll get divorced over a telephone button nice username/post combo
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Astoundingly Ugly Baby posted:I bought my mom an iPhone SE since she was needing a new phone and my dad, an Android user, has convinced himself that she is trying to hide something because of the fingerprint reader. lol what a beta cuck
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Doc Block posted:this thread is making me nostalgic for my old 2009 Mac Mini same except my old LC520
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