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Vic
Nov 26, 2009

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HTML5 is released



I think that projection was made by their webmaster and they fired him because that's still a live page there.

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Dick Trauma
Nov 30, 2007

God damn it, you've got to be kind.
I remember that funny transitional period when suddenly every website had to have a flash animated intro that was so long and such a large download that they were obliged to put an HTML link to skip the page. I was the web guy in a marketing department when the company was rebranding and they demanded one of those stupid goddamn intros that had the new lovely logo flying all over the goddamn place and it took about 20 seconds to complete.

They rejected my request to add a link to skip the animation. Guess what that did to our traffic?

Pilsner
Nov 23, 2002


To be frank, all companies out there play the super-optimistic outlook, whether it's in their shareholder reports, website or other marketing materials. No company is willingly going to admit to a bleak future.

Dick Trauma posted:

I remember that funny transitional period when suddenly every website had to have a flash animated intro that was so long and such a large download that they were obliged to put an HTML link to skip the page. I was the web guy in a marketing department when the company was rebranding and they demanded one of those stupid goddamn intros that had the new lovely logo flying all over the goddamn place and it took about 20 seconds to complete.

They rejected my request to add a link to skip the animation. Guess what that did to our traffic?
Oh yes, welcome pages. Remember how artsy/creative websites loved to have a font so tiny in their flash thing, it was borderline unreadable? I'm talking like 10 pixels tall. Sadly, now it's gone too far the other way, and fonts are just annoyingly huge, in my opinion.

T-man
Aug 22, 2010


Talk shit, get bzzzt.

Pilsner posted:

To be frank, all companies out there play the super-optimistic outlook, whether it's in their shareholder reports, website or other marketing materials. No company is willingly going to admit to a bleak future.

Oh yes, welcome pages. Remember how artsy/creative websites loved to have a font so tiny in their flash thing, it was borderline unreadable? I'm talking like 10 pixels tall. Sadly, now it's gone too far the other way, and fonts are just annoyingly huge, in my opinion.

Benjamin Button parachute account spotted.

LifeSunDeath
Jan 4, 2007

still gay rights and smoke weed every day
Guys, at my new job in a newly built hospital, we have to use 90's pagers, no assigned hospital cellphones, loving pagers. It's legit the worst, sitting around waiting for people to call you back on a hard-line is the worst, i'm in hell.

shovelbum
Oct 21, 2010

Fun Shoe

LifeSunDeath posted:

Guys, at my new job in a newly built hospital, we have to use 90's pagers, no assigned hospital cellphones, loving pagers. It's legit the worst, sitting around waiting for people to call you back on a hard-line is the worst, i'm in hell.

Probably to keep cameras out

LifeSunDeath
Jan 4, 2007

still gay rights and smoke weed every day
naw we can use our cellphones too, the nurses get hospital phones that work in the new building but not complex wide, the therapy department is still running off dark ages tech but it does work complex wide.

ladron
Sep 15, 2007

eso es lo que es

LifeSunDeath posted:

Guys, at my new job in a newly built hospital, we have to use 90's pagers, no assigned hospital cellphones, loving pagers. It's legit the worst, sitting around waiting for people to call you back on a hard-line is the worst, i'm in hell.

pagers are still definitely used in the (hospital) medical industry because they are so reliable.

Krispy Wafer
Jul 26, 2002

I shouted out "Free the exposed 67"
But they stood on my hair and told me I was fat

Grimey Drawer
The old RIM pagers with the keyboards were the legit poo poo.



We moved off them around 2005 to traditional Blackberry smartphones, which were probably better in many different ways. However for IT shift work, the old pagers could easily be passed from person to person and the batteries lasted forever. I miss them.

Altared State
Jan 14, 2006

I think I was born to burn
I still have a Blackberry with a roll ball and it only connects to 3g. I think it still has pictures on it but I haven't bothered trying to get them off because of how long it takes to startup.

I Brake For MILFs
Jan 9, 2007

:syoon:


shovelbum posted:

Probably to keep cameras out

I know of a company that had a rule about no cameras. You either had to have an iPhone (because the camera can be disabled?) Or you had to literally break the lense or cover it up with epoxy or JB weld.

I'm sure it's different now, but yea, they still allowed phones and stuff.

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ladron
Sep 15, 2007

eso es lo que es

I Brake For MILFs posted:

I know of a company that had a rule about no cameras. You either had to to have an iPhone (because the camera can be disabled?) Or you had to literally break the camera on your phone.

I dated a girl who worked at samsung (in korea) and she had to lock up her phone for the day or get this weird sticker on the camera that they would check at the end of the day to see if it had been removed.

LifeSunDeath
Jan 4, 2007

still gay rights and smoke weed every day

We Know Catheters posted:

I still have a Blackberry with a roll ball and it only connects to 3g. I think it still has pictures on it but I haven't bothered trying to get them off because of how long it takes to startup.

i loved that little roll ball!

Trabant
Nov 26, 2011

All systems nominal.

ladron posted:

I dated a girl who worked at samsung (in korea) and she had to lock up her phone for the day or get this weird sticker on the camera that they would check at the end of the day to see if it had been removed.

Having worked for Samsung in the US, the rules were (still are?) the same. For a while there were plastic, Ziploc-style baggies as well -- the only way to block access to the phone's data port so you can't use it as a drive.

I've worked for 3 other Huge Tech Companies and none of them gave a flying gently caress about what you bring in.

I Brake For MILFs
Jan 9, 2007

:syoon:


Trabant posted:

Having worked for Samsung in the US, the rules were (still are?) the same. For a while there were plastic, Ziploc-style baggies as well -- the only way to block access to the phone's data port so you can't use it as a drive.

I've worked for 3 other Huge Tech Companies and none of them gave a flying gently caress about what you bring in.

You learn a lot about how much a company cares about their employees with how they treat potential theft/espionage. I've worked at 4 different casinos as a cage cashier and 3 of them didn't give a poo poo. Don't put your hands in your pockets around the money and you're good to go.

The 4th place had uniforms with no pockets. At all. They treated the employees like thieves and didn't give a poo poo about anyone.


Besides, cameras/computers are so tiny nowadays I suspect 99% of these companies safeguards are outdated and useless.

Rev. Bleech_
Oct 19, 2004

~OKAY, WE'LL DRINK TO OUR LEGS!~

Mein Kampf Enthusiast posted:

I learned that despite Edge existing, Internet Explorer 11 is still a separate program. Why did I learn this? Because Federal Express, one of the giants of corporate shipping, still uses Java to talk to the label printers they provide their customers, and IE11 is literally the only browser left that will allow me to print shipping labels, because the rest of the world has already decided that Java is a toxic insecure mess.

The last hotel I worked at "had to" rely on IE. Why? Because even in the Year of Our Lord 2017, the latest thing the franchise's Property Management System officially supported was IE9 running on Windows 7 (though IE10 support was coming soon! Customer credit cards will be immensely safer now that your browser is only 5 years out of date!); anything later and it wouldn't even issue the SSL certificate for you to log on to the system in the first place. The stupid thing was, it worked just fine if you changed the user agent, installed the certificate, then put it back to normal. The only "error" I saw pop up using other browsers after doing this was that Adobe Reader wouldn't pop open new browser windows without asking.

Pham Nuwen
Oct 30, 2010



LifeSunDeath posted:

Guys, at my new job in a newly built hospital, we have to use 90's pagers, no assigned hospital cellphones, loving pagers. It's legit the worst, sitting around waiting for people to call you back on a hard-line is the worst, i'm in hell.

Pagers are also quite common among people who work in SCIFs and other high security areas for processing classified information. If you bring in your phone, you'll never get it back.

ladron
Sep 15, 2007

eso es lo que es
wait until y'all find out about south korea and active x.

dont be mean to me
May 2, 2007

I'm interplanetary, bitch
Let's go to Mars


ladron posted:

wait until y'all find out about south korea and active x.

Hey.

HEY.

The South Korean National Tax Service is abandoning ActiveX. South Korea is finally free of one of its top five greatest enemies.

... At the end of this year. (E: Wrong year at first, whoops)

If you have an irrational regret of life itself, rest assured, that's rational.

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mystes
May 31, 2006

dont be mean to me posted:

Hey.

HEY.

The South Korean National Tax Service is abandoning ActiveX. South Korea is finally free of one of its top five greatest enemies.

... At the end of 2019.

If you have an irrational regret of life itself, rest assured, that's rational.
Lol. They got into this situation because they created their own encryption standard that that required activex in 1996, and they still haven't quite finished extricating themselves from it.

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Mondian
Apr 24, 2007

I Brake For MILFs posted:

I know of a company that had a rule about no cameras. You either had to have an iPhone (because the camera can be disabled?) Or you had to literally break the lense or cover it up with epoxy or JB weld.

I'm sure it's different now, but yea, they still allowed phones and stuff.


Some industrial sites restrict that stuff too, cameras and smartphones, until they were too ubiquitous to enforce that part of the policy, were banned in US Steel facilities. Not sure if they were scared of industrial espionage or people reporting infractions, but gate guards would conduct random searches and refuse entry if they found them, or seize them if they found them on exiting.

spog
Aug 7, 2004

It's your own bloody fault.

LifeSunDeath posted:

Guys, at my new job in a newly built hospital, we have to use 90's pagers, no assigned hospital cellphones, loving pagers. It's legit the worst, sitting around waiting for people to call you back on a hard-line is the worst, i'm in hell.

Pagers are great because you don't have to drop what you're doing immediately just because some moron on a higher paygrade has a question.

Humphreys
Jan 26, 2013

We conceived a way to use my mother as a porn mule


Mondian posted:

Some industrial sites restrict that stuff too, cameras and smartphones, until they were too ubiquitous to enforce that part of the policy, were banned in US Steel facilities. Not sure if they were scared of industrial espionage or people reporting infractions, but gate guards would conduct random searches and refuse entry if they found them, or seize them if they found them on exiting.

I used to love the 'no cameras' signs at industrial sites I would work for.

I loved watching the gate guards eyes light up when I have 3 DSLRs hanging off straps and my coworker has a video camera when we walked up to sign in. They ultimately won because I was creating my own hell: signing in on documentation I designed, watch a site induction I filmed the year prior, then do a eLearning test we also developed. Being the user of poo poo you make (and cannot have fun with most times due to corporate style guides and restrictions) is terrible. Then realising you are there to make an updated version of the exact same poo poo :(

champagne posting
Apr 5, 2006

YOU ARE A BRAIN
IN A BUNKER

Humphreys posted:

I used to love the 'no cameras' signs at industrial sites I would work for.

I loved watching the gate guards eyes light up when I have 3 DSLRs hanging off straps and my coworker has a video camera when we walked up to sign in. They ultimately won because I was creating my own hell: signing in on documentation I designed, watch a site induction I filmed the year prior, then do a eLearning test we also developed. Being the user of poo poo you make (and cannot have fun with most times due to corporate style guides and restrictions) is terrible. Then realising you are there to make an updated version of the exact same poo poo :(

The corporation I work for has exactly one piece of music and it is used everywhere. Promotional video material as either background music or the only sound, and even as the hold music for phones. This of course means I can only associate the music with being on hold with some jerk who can't be bothered either picking up his phone or setting up his phone correctly for redirecting.

GRINDCORE MEGGIDO
Feb 28, 1985


mobby_6kl posted:

I like Edge on my tablet, it feels way smoother than Chrome and works great with touch. Otherwise it's pretty poor in terms of features though.

One web trend that drives me absolutely insane nowadays is tying your account logins to a geographical area in the name of security. I run into this poo poo all the time when travelling or using VPN for work. Like I needed to call my hotel in Taiwan and had Wifi available on my phone, so I'll just use Skype, right? No gently caress you, we noticed that you're in a different country so you have to click a confirmation link in the email we sent.

Well ok, I'll check my gmail... except gently caress YOU, we need you to confirm it's you because you have a different IP address. At least gmail doesn't tell me to check my secondary/backup email, because I'd be stuck in a loop. Gyft.com has the same poo poo though, every time I try to login from a different place, it tells me I need to change the password. I do it, but on the next login it asks for it again so I'm still unable to get in. Well done.

Holy poo poo that sounds like a pain in the rear end. I envy you for traveling that much though. That owns.

Pilsner posted:

, now it's gone too far the other way, and fonts are just annoyingly huge, in my opinion.

Images too. I notice it because clients want super huge banner images (ie, full screen) so there's about 400KB per banner. Then they want a slideshow of them. I should lazy load them I guess.

All the tweaks I do for load time like compressing the html output, serving static stuff from a subdomain etc are a drop in the ocean vs images like that.

We need a replacement for jpg like yesterday. It needs to be fully obselete.

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axolotl farmer
May 17, 2007

Now I'm going to sing the Perry Mason theme

Dick Trauma posted:

I remember that funny transitional period when suddenly every website had to have a flash animated intro that was so long and such a large download that they were obliged to put an HTML link to skip the page. I was the web guy in a marketing department when the company was rebranding and they demanded one of those stupid goddamn intros that had the new lovely logo flying all over the goddamn place and it took about 20 seconds to complete.

They rejected my request to add a link to skip the animation. Guess what that did to our traffic?

Worst ones were the sites that played the flash intro, then after >>CLICK TO ENTER<< popped up the content confined to a 640x480 window without the navigation or bookmark bars.

GRINDCORE MEGGIDO
Feb 28, 1985


Weirdest site I ever replaced was a site that had a huge, crap flash animation, then the main site had flash for menus, and the main content in iframes.

That was hosed up and Google didn't know it existed.

shovelbum
Oct 21, 2010

Fun Shoe

Humphreys posted:

I used to love the 'no cameras' signs at industrial sites I would work for.

I loved watching the gate guards eyes light up when I have 3 DSLRs hanging off straps and my coworker has a video camera when we walked up to sign in. They ultimately won because I was creating my own hell: signing in on documentation I designed, watch a site induction I filmed the year prior, then do a eLearning test we also developed. Being the user of poo poo you make (and cannot have fun with most times due to corporate style guides and restrictions) is terrible. Then realising you are there to make an updated version of the exact same poo poo :(

I used to have to read a 14 page induction script verbatim to all visitors including our own people who had been to ten of our boats that day, it took over half an hour and they got it on every boat they visited, gently caress em for that policy. They said a video or audio presentation was out of the question because there was no way to get a sense of how engaged the visitor was with the process.

Samizdata
May 14, 2007

spog posted:

Pagers are great because you don't have to drop what you're doing immediately just because some moron on a higher paygrade has a question.

Back in the late 80's/early 90's, I used to carry a fake pager that had a hidden trigger button. You are stuck talking to someone you don't want to be talking to, hit the trigger. "Oh, sorry, I got a page. I have to take this. Please excuse me."

Buttcoin purse
Apr 24, 2014

Krispy Wafer posted:

VMware's vSphere uses Shockwave and it's a clusterfuck. Using it in Mac OS required a 50mb plugin just to upload an OS. That plugin wouldn't download in Safari or Chrome so I'd have to connect using Windows in emulation.

One day I had to use my Dell laptop with 4gb of RAM. It crashed everything. Like it wouldn't even load. I think my RAM was pegged at about 98% utilized.

I'm still sore about the fact I needed a 50mb plugin to upload a file. I'm not even a coder and I'm pretty sure I could code a simple upload.

Last I checked, you could get some kind of addon for the vCenter from the VMware Skunk Works or something that provided a HTML5 interface. I bet it was full of caveats about features that weren't supported yet.

Also there is some way to access datastores using command line tools like wget or curl. It's a crappy URL scheme, you'd need to Google for it. Yes, why isn't there just a loving standard 1990s era HTML upload form, why do I need a proprietary plugin using the deprecated NPAPI?

For a few years their "standalone" VM console viewer was also something that launched a browser and used an NPAPI plugin. WHY?

Tunicate
May 15, 2012

Boiled Water posted:

The corporation I work for has exactly one piece of music and it is used everywhere. Promotional video material as either background music or the only sound, and even as the hold music for phones. This of course means I can only associate the music with being on hold with some jerk who can't be bothered either picking up his phone or setting up his phone correctly for redirecting.

How about cell phone companies who make their default jingle the ringtone, so it sounds like a phone is ringing in every commercial they have?

Exit Strategy
Dec 10, 2010

by sebmojo

Samizdata posted:

Back in the late 80's/early 90's, I used to carry a fake pager that had a hidden trigger button. You are stuck talking to someone you don't want to be talking to, hit the trigger. "Oh, sorry, I got a page. I have to take this. Please excuse me."

I have an app for my phone and watch that lets me fake a phone call from "Work (IMPORTANT!)". It remains a very useful get-out-of-conversation-free card.

Vic
Nov 26, 2009

malae fidei cum XI_XXVI_MMIX
My ringtone is the Metal Gear Solid codec ring for years, and since most of my incoming calls are about somebody's internet not working again, it's like "Snake be a dear my metal gear has no internet again."

Snow Cone Capone
Jul 31, 2003


I honestly haven't taken my phone off vibrate in so long I don't remember what my ring tone is

Explosionface
May 30, 2011

We can dance if we want to,
we can leave Marle behind.
'Cause your fiends don't dance,
and if they don't dance,
they'll get a Robo Fist of mine.


Vic posted:

My ringtone is the Metal Gear Solid codec ring for years, and since most of my incoming calls are about somebody's internet not working again, it's like "Snake be a dear my metal gear has no internet again."

That's what my notification tone is. Regular ring tone is whatever video game music I want to hear for a while. Right now it's Simon's Theme from Super Castlevania IV.

evobatman
Jul 30, 2006

it means nothing, but says everything!
Pillbug
I was a huge fan of the 24 TV show, so I found the ringtone from the CTU office phones and used on my cell phone just after the end of a season.

When the show started up again 6 months later I was so used to the ringtone I went through the first few episodes like :supaburn: thinking it was my phone every time.

And I also used the MGS codec for a while, that was pretty cool.

Pham Nuwen
Oct 30, 2010



I used the first few measures of King Crimson's "One More Red Nightmare" for a while and although it's well-suited as a ringtone, my wife found it creepy:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TyoVrVGeqOU

(the first 7 seconds or so is what I used)

Krispy Wafer
Jul 26, 2002

I shouted out "Free the exposed 67"
But they stood on my hair and told me I was fat

Grimey Drawer
Look at all these scrubs that didn't have the Kim Possible alert tone.

Antioch
Apr 18, 2003
I used the Star Trek TNG sounds for a lot of things. Nice simple little beeps and such. Ended up checking my phone a LOT when I was rewatching the series a few months back.

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Dick Trauma
Nov 30, 2007

God damn it, you've got to be kind.
For years I took advantage of the Shoretel custom ringtone feature so I could make my deskphone sound like a Merlin. It was the phone at one of my first jobs and my brain recognizes the sound anywhere: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BMvOUJww83w&t=31s

Then I got a little bored so I switched it to the phone ring from Blade Runner: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3vDc64G7DfI

It's only just now that I realized that thanks to my Apple Watch I've had my phone on vibrate for so long I forgot what the ring tone is. I usually make my own from short song clips, like the opening of "Know Your Rights" by The Clash but I rarely ever have it off vibrate anymore.

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