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Feels Villeneuve posted:would you rather be a Pirates fan or an Astros fan  
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and then what happened?
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Feb 9, 2018 21:36
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I want to live in the alternate timeline where none of the Astros top draft picks over the last 5 years panned out and they live as a cautionary tale that tanking is bad.
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Feb 9, 2018 21:38
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Pirates fan checking in. It sucks total poo poo and baseball makes me want to jump off one of Pittsburgh's many beautiful bridges.
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Feb 9, 2018 21:38
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bawfuls posted:and then what happened? The Astros won, rewarding the idea that not spending and tanking for 5 years is good and teams should do it. Like the Pirates are doing now.
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Feb 9, 2018 21:39
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So the answer is obviously neither; I'd rather be a fan of a team that actually spends money and tries to contend every chance they can.
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Feb 9, 2018 21:41
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How did tanking help the astros. They got Correa. He's good obviously. I'm not trying to be argumentative. It just seems to me they could have been less bad and ended up in the same spot. Minus Correa.
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Feb 9, 2018 21:41
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euphronius posted:How did tanking help the astros. They got Correa. He's good obviously. Correa, Bregman, Springer are all first rounders during the Astros terribad years, They gave a 5'5" 2nd basemen the chance to develop and play in the majors leagues because they were not trying to win, they had the assets to trade for Brian McCann, Justin Verlander, ect.
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Feb 9, 2018 21:49
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Oh Bregman was 1.2.
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Comptroll The Forums posted:I want to live in the alternate timeline where none of the Astros top draft picks over the last 5 years panned out and they live as a cautionary tale that tanking is bad.  Springer was pre-tank, McCullers was signable because they took Correa instead of Appel or Buxton which in hindsight is hilarious Altuve was told to go home after his first day of tryouts and showed up for the second day anyway so yeah weird how things work out sometimes Paul Zuvella posted:The Astros won, rewarding the idea that not spending and tanking for 5 years is good and teams should do it. The Astros had one of the oldest and worst teams in baseball when the tank began. Their farm was also in the bottom 5 in baseball. They didn't have much of a choice tbh Never forget the offseason Drayton signed Woody Williams in hopes he would put them over the top Intruder fucked around with this message at 22:31 on Feb 9, 2018 |
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Feb 9, 2018 22:28
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Tanking is bullshit. If your team is old and your farm is bad you just keep playing winning seasons and usually being in the mix until September, then finally one year your GM convinces ownership to trade two of the best relievers in the game for a huge haul of prospects, then you trade your catcher and OF/DH for more prospects, promote your own guys to fill those positions and then still almost make it to the playoffs, then two years later you have the #2 farm system in baseball and are favorites for your division after playing to ALCS game 7 in the previous season. It's not that hard people.
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Feb 9, 2018 22:38
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Feels Villeneuve posted:would you rather be a Pirates fan or an Astros fan Astros vs Blue Jays is probably a better comp. At this moment obviously Astros but taken as a whole, Blue Jays.
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Feb 9, 2018 22:56
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Inspector_666 posted:Tanking is bullshit. If your team is old and your farm is bad you just keep playing winning seasons and usually being in the mix until September, then finally one year your GM convinces ownership to trade two of the best relievers in the game for a huge haul of prospects, then you trade your catcher and OF/DH for more prospects, promote your own guys to fill those positions and then still almost make it to the playoffs, then two years later you have the #2 farm system in baseball and are favorites for your division after playing to ALCS game 7 in the previous season. Yankees really are the baseball equivalent of baby boomers saying poor people should just get a loving job.
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Feb 9, 2018 23:23
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In a way the Astros came close to having the tank job backfire on them considering they drafted only the third #1 overall pick to never play in the majors and the next year drafted a #1 overall pick who might become the fourth (but didn't sign him and he didn't go first the next year so I guess it doesn't count?) Who was that guy who got drafted in the first but wasn't satisfied with his position or bonus, so he kept re-entering the draft for like five years in a row and each time kept sliding further and further down?
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Feb 9, 2018 23:29
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Intruder posted:Who was that guy who got drafted in the first but wasn't satisfied with his position or bonus, so he kept re-entering the draft for like five years in a row and each time kept sliding further and further down? Matt Harrington.
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Feb 9, 2018 23:41
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Tony Phillips posted:Matt Harrington. Wow, I'd never heard of the guy but what a loving tragedy. His Wikipedia page says he was working at Costco as of 2009, wonder what he's up to.
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Feb 10, 2018 00:09
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Sydin posted:The Reds payroll right now is ~$84m. They could have resigned Cozart (3/38), thrown money and years at one of Darvish/Arrieta (let's say 6/150) and one of Cobb/Lynn (let's say 5/100) and thrown another ~$20m AAV at the bullpen and picked up two of Cishek, Reed, Morrow, McGee, etc. That roughly doubles their payroll to ~$166m, and now they look like this: This is a very 2015 White Sox roster
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Feb 10, 2018 00:33
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The Phillies tanked and instead of Correa got .... Mickey Moniak
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bawfuls posted:Are the Rays finally getting a new stadium in Tampa? Yay! 
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euphronius posted:The Phillies tanked and instead of Correa got .... At least Appel won't be the "Last #1 overall pick not to make the major leagues" for long.
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Chief McHeath posted:Wow, I'd never heard of the guy but what a loving tragedy. His Wikipedia page says he was working at Costco as of 2009, wonder what he's up to. No kidding. How the hell did his agent talk an 18 year old kid out of a $4m signing bonus offer back in 2000?
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Feb 10, 2018 01:48
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GoatSeeGuy posted:At least Appel won't be the "Last #1 overall pick not to make the major leagues" for long.
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Feb 10, 2018 02:31
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Was over at Mesa Riverview this evening and walked over to the Cubs' facility after dinner to check it out. It's apparently the biggest Spring Training stadium in terms of seating (15,000) in the entire MLB. It was built back in 2014 to the tune of 100 million bucks. I need to catch a game there next month. They're playing the D'Backs on March 15th. I loves me some Tigers, but they're 2,100 miles away in Lakeland, FL. This will have to suffice. I just figured the Cubs goons in SAS would appreciate this.              
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Feb 10, 2018 04:21
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Yeah, I live about 15 minutes away from Sloan Park and we go to games every year. It’s a really nice spring training park. I’m not sure Mesa has seen the necessary ROI from building it but eh.
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Feb 10, 2018 04:56
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Tanking is going to be the way most teams that either can't or don't want to be skating up against the luxury tax every single year are going to compete for the foreseeable future because there is nothing worse in sports than being that perfectly mediocre team that sits a handful of games above or below .500 all year. In the NBA and NHL those are the bottom seeds who get swept out of the first round by the teams that matter most of the time. In the NFL and in baseball they're the teams that end up with middle of the road draft picks while occasionally overperforming and sneaking into the playoffs for a forgettable run twice a decade. I doubt that too many Orioles, A's, or Diamondbacks fans look back fondly at their playoff teams this decade.
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Feb 10, 2018 04:59
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Great pics of Sloan, I would love to visit someday. Every fall a bunch of the guys I play with go down there for a rec league tournament where they play in a bunch of spring training parks, I really need to do it one year.
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Feb 10, 2018 05:07
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Sloan is great, although it could really use a better beer selection.
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Sydin posted:Sloan is great, although it could really use a better beer selection. TripAdvisor posted:If you want an Old Style, you'll need to go to the small stand behind home plate. Seems OK to me.
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Comptroll The Forums posted:No kidding. How the hell did his agent talk an 18 year old kid out of a $4m signing bonus offer back in 2000? Also a guaranteed call up within two years e: minor league baseball owns https://twitter.com/playfresno/status/961690325126234112?ref_src=twcamp%5Ecopy%7Ctwsrc%5Eandroid%7Ctwgr%5Ecopy%7Ctwcon%5E7090%7Ctwterm%5E0 Intruder fucked around with this message at 07:20 on Feb 10, 2018 |
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Feb 10, 2018 07:03
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Paul Zuvella posted:So the answer is obviously neither; I'd rather be a fan of a team that actually spends money and tries to contend every chance they can. Hello. Fellow Yankees Fan, our rebuild was an awful and terrifying experience too.
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Feb 10, 2018 14:08
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gently caress yeah!!!
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How is the thread title not Evan-Year Bullshit?
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Feb 10, 2018 14:12
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FlamingLiberal posted:Moniak is not a bust yet, I don’t get that view that I keep hearing. He has only had one year in pro ball. He’s like 18/19. I guess he will make the majors but he's a bust in that he's not going to be an all star
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Feb 10, 2018 14:18
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ZenVulgarity posted:Hello. Fellow Yankees Fan, our rebuild was an awful and terrifying experience too. It was a scary couple of hours.
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Feb 10, 2018 14:25
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Is all this talk of tanking and cold stove putting you guys off watching baseball this year?
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SourKraut posted:Yeah, I live about 15 minutes away from Sloan Park and we go to games every year. It’s a really nice spring training park. I’m not sure Mesa has seen the necessary ROI from building it They won't.
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Feb 10, 2018 14:40
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I would blow Dane Cook posted:Is all this talk of tanking and cold stove putting you guys off watching baseball this year? Nope, if anything puts me off watching baseball it's that the games are five minutes too long 
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Feb 10, 2018 15:01
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What happens if two tanking teams play each other? I imagine it to be a total farce.
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Feb 10, 2018 15:05
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I would blow Dane Cook posted:What happens if two tanking teams play each other? I imagine it to be a total farce. The 1980s NL West.
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I would blow Dane Cook posted:What happens if two tanking teams play each other? I imagine it to be a total farce. The managers have a 100 meter footrace to tell the umpire crew chief that they forfeit.
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