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ewe2
Jul 1, 2009

kordansk posted:

Yo, I gotta ask - what is your endgame? Like what is the goal here. Mocking the stupidity of the development of this project is amusing and passes the time. What harm can come from a dead gay comedy forum mocking a game behind a paywall? What do you gain from defending it? Presumably you aren't paid to sit there and defend croberts honor, nor are you an employee of the company. Do you think that by defending them you can get more people to spend money? Do you think anyone that actually reads this thread is likely going to spend any more money on SC? As a customer, wouldn't it make sense to be critical of the people that have claimed so many things that ended up being demonstrably false? Why is it that when people mock or comment on what you believe to be the magnum opus of gaming you attack them instead of their argument?

The MoMa Gestalt Entity lashes out to maintain its internal integrity otherwise it will explode into a rainbow of different delusions and melt away.

edit: kitty taxxe

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ManofManyAliases
Mar 21, 2016
ToastOfManySmarts


Can't post for 3 hours!

kordansk posted:

Yo, I gotta ask - what is your endgame? Like what is the goal here. Mocking the stupidity of the development of this project is amusing and passes the time. What harm can come from a dead gay comedy forum mocking a game behind a paywall? What do you gain from defending it? Presumably you aren't paid to sit there and defend croberts honor, nor are you an employee of the company. Do you think that by defending them you can get more people to spend money? Do you think anyone that actually reads this thread is likely going to spend any more money on SC? As a customer, wouldn't it make sense to be critical of the people that have claimed so many things that ended up being demonstrably false? Why is it that when people mock or comment on what you believe to be the magnum opus of gaming you attack them instead of their argument?

My goal is not to try and turn people here, defend CIG from the goons, shill for CIG, protect backers or the like. It's to defenstrate this notion that crowdfunding of this magnitude is bad, that a company that may not have started off surefooted can try and gain some ground in the more recent years and that there exists a possibility of a space simulation that many people want and is for all intents and purposes, attainable. Look: CIG has raised a poo poo ton of money from backers and an unknown amount from private investment. They have positioned themselves around tax hurdles, setup subs to adjust their positions, hedge and play the game (just like any other corporation does), and - iny my opinion - are making efforts to really achieve some semblance of a game that has grown into the scope that it has because of backer demands. I don't think Chris is sitting atop a pile of decisions and yes'ing or no'ing each into oblivion. I think he relies heavily on the advice of Todd, Erin and others for their respective areas and yes - as CEO decides overall direction but leaves a lot of the liberty to the respective heads. As for Crytek: I think CIG would have outright settled if they honestly thought they were in the wrong and "caught" by Crytek (so to speak). Either there are other facets of the agreement(s) that were made that we're just not privy to or they really think CryTek's case isn't strong enough to worry about.

To your point about attacking the arguments of others instead of others directly: I'm not outright attacking anyone. I tried making reasoned arguments but either people thought they were poo poo and stopped responding or felt the need to quash the one outspoken voice in the thread so badly that it just became less and less fun to argue. Now I just poke Smart every once in a while and say a few words here-and-there to gauge what the narrative shifted to week-by-week. One week it's about marketing and Sandi. Another it's about Erin and some Irish Mafia connection. Then it's Archer. Rinse, repeat. It's honestly old. I stopped giving CIG money and am equally as glad that there's no need to buy into and pay for anything more in SA forums. Some of the other threads and topics in the forums are ok - I'll go spend some time there and talk about my fishing kayak, learn a few tips for when I'm at the range next or whatever.

ManofManyAliases
Mar 21, 2016
ToastOfManySmarts


Can't post for 3 hours!

Veni Vidi Ameche! posted:

Is it just me, or does CIG seem to be keeping its head down a bit since the lawsuit news broke? It seems like we had a hilarious new disaster every week previous to that.

Are we at the point, now, where we just spin our wheels for nine months or so, until there’s some sort of lawsuit news?

What company do you know comments on pending legal action? Or, makes a variety public statements while under potential legal action?

ewe2
Jul 1, 2009

ManofManyAliases posted:

My goal is not to try and turn people here, defend CIG from the goons, shill for CIG, protect backers or the like. It's to defenstrate this notion that crowdfunding of this magnitude is bad, that a company that may not have started off surefooted can try and gain some ground in the more recent years and that there exists a possibility of a space simulation that many people want and is for all intents and purposes, attainable. Look: CIG has raised a poo poo ton of money from backers and an unknown amount from private investment. They have positioned themselves around tax hurdles, setup subs to adjust their positions, hedge and play the game (just like any other corporation does), and - iny my opinion - are making efforts to really achieve some semblance of a game that has grown into the scope that it has because of backer demands. I don't think Chris is sitting atop a pile of decisions and yes'ing or no'ing each into oblivion. I think he relies heavily on the advice of Todd, Erin and others for their respective areas and yes - as CEO decides overall direction but leaves a lot of the liberty to the respective heads. As for Crytek: I think CIG would have outright settled if they honestly thought they were in the wrong and "caught" by Crytek (so to speak). Either there are other facets of the agreement(s) that were made that we're just not privy to or they really think CryTek's case isn't strong enough to worry about.

To your point about attacking the arguments of others instead of others directly: I'm not outright attacking anyone. I tried making reasoned arguments but either people thought they were poo poo and stopped responding or felt the need to quash the one outspoken voice in the thread so badly that it just became less and less fun to argue. Now I just poke Smart every once in a while and say a few words here-and-there to gauge what the narrative shifted to week-by-week. One week it's about marketing and Sandi. Another it's about Erin and some Irish Mafia connection. Then it's Archer. Rinse, repeat. It's honestly old. I stopped giving CIG money and am equally as glad that there's no need to buy into and pay for anything more in SA forums. Some of the other threads and topics in the forums are ok - I'll go spend some time there and talk about my fishing kayak, learn a few tips for when I'm at the range next or whatever.

Hi Erris.

Richie Stardust
Mar 30, 2016

ManofManyAliases posted:

My goal is not to try and turn people here, defend CIG from the goons, shill for CIG, protect backers or the like. It's to defenstrate this notion that crowdfunding of this magnitude is bad, that a company that may not have started off surefooted can try and gain some ground in the more recent years and that there exists a possibility of a space simulation that many people want and is for all intents and purposes, attainable. Look: CIG has raised a poo poo ton of money from backers and an unknown amount from private investment. They have positioned themselves around tax hurdles, setup subs to adjust their positions, hedge and play the game (just like any other corporation does), and - iny my opinion - are making efforts to really achieve some semblance of a game that has grown into the scope that it has because of backer demands. I don't think Chris is sitting atop a pile of decisions and yes'ing or no'ing each into oblivion. I think he relies heavily on the advice of Todd, Erin and others for their respective areas and yes - as CEO decides overall direction but leaves a lot of the liberty to the respective heads. As for Crytek: I think CIG would have outright settled if they honestly thought they were in the wrong and "caught" by Crytek (so to speak). Either there are other facets of the agreement(s) that were made that we're just not privy to or they really think CryTek's case isn't strong enough to worry about.

To your point about attacking the arguments of others instead of others directly: I'm not outright attacking anyone. I tried making reasoned arguments but either people thought they were poo poo and stopped responding or felt the need to quash the one outspoken voice in the thread so badly that it just became less and less fun to argue. Now I just poke Smart every once in a while and say a few words here-and-there to gauge what the narrative shifted to week-by-week. One week it's about marketing and Sandi. Another it's about Erin and some Irish Mafia connection. Then it's Archer. Rinse, repeat. It's honestly old. I stopped giving CIG money and am equally as glad that there's no need to buy into and pay for anything more in SA forums. Some of the other threads and topics in the forums are ok - I'll go spend some time there and talk about my fishing kayak, learn a few tips for when I'm at the range next or whatever.

You sound like a propertarian.

Tokyo Sexwale
Jul 30, 2003

The man infamous for telling his underlings what colour to make individual pixels almost certainly leaves a lot of lee-way for his managers.

Zzr
Oct 6, 2016

Jason Sextro posted:

I think that if MoMA just lashes out enough Star Citizen will come out and be good.

Exactly. You didn't try enough ManofManyAliases/Toast, that's why star citizen is still poo poo and a nogame.

Zzr
Oct 6, 2016

ManofManyAliases posted:

My goal is not to try and turn people here, defend CIG from the goons, shill for CIG, protect backers or the like. It's to defenstrate this notion that crowdfunding of this magnitude is bad, that a company that may not have started off surefooted can try and gain some ground in the more recent years and that there exists a possibility of a space simulation that many people want and is for all intents and purposes, attainable. Look: CIG has raised a poo poo ton of money from backers and an unknown amount from private investment. They have positioned themselves around tax hurdles, setup subs to adjust their positions, hedge and play the game (just like any other corporation does), and - iny my opinion - are making efforts to really achieve some semblance of a game that has grown into the scope that it has because of backer demands. I don't think Chris is sitting atop a pile of decisions and yes'ing or no'ing each into oblivion. I think he relies heavily on the advice of Todd, Erin and others for their respective areas and yes - as CEO decides overall direction but leaves a lot of the liberty to the respective heads. As for Crytek: I think CIG would have outright settled if they honestly thought they were in the wrong and "caught" by Crytek (so to speak). Either there are other facets of the agreement(s) that were made that we're just not privy to or they really think CryTek's case isn't strong enough to worry about.

To your point about attacking the arguments of others instead of others directly: I'm not outright attacking anyone. I tried making reasoned arguments but either people thought they were poo poo and stopped responding or felt the need to quash the one outspoken voice in the thread so badly that it just became less and less fun to argue. Now I just poke Smart every once in a while and say a few words here-and-there to gauge what the narrative shifted to week-by-week. One week it's about marketing and Sandi. Another it's about Erin and some Irish Mafia connection. Then it's Archer. Rinse, repeat. It's honestly old. I stopped giving CIG money and am equally as glad that there's no need to buy into and pay for anything more in SA forums. Some of the other threads and topics in the forums are ok - I'll go spend some time there and talk about my fishing kayak, learn a few tips for when I'm at the range next or whatever.

Good. Is it out yet or still not enough ?

Midnight Voyager
Jul 2, 2008

Lipstick Apathy

ManofManyAliases posted:

My goal is not to try and turn people here, defend CIG from the goons, shill for CIG, protect backers or the like. It's to defenstrate this notion that crowdfunding of this magnitude is bad, that a company that may not have started off surefooted can try and gain some ground in the more recent years and that there exists a possibility of a space simulation that many people want and is for all intents and purposes, attainable.

You're not succeeding by any measure to anyone here.

kordansk
Sep 12, 2011

ManofManyAliases posted:

My goal is not to try and turn people here, defend CIG from the goons, shill for CIG, protect backers or the like. It's to defenstrate this notion that crowdfunding of this magnitude is bad, that a company that may not have started off surefooted can try and gain some ground in the more recent years and that there exists a possibility of a space simulation that many people want and is for all intents and purposes, attainable. Look: CIG has raised a poo poo ton of money from backers and an unknown amount from private investment. They have positioned themselves around tax hurdles, setup subs to adjust their positions, hedge and play the game (just like any other corporation does), and - iny my opinion - are making efforts to really achieve some semblance of a game that has grown into the scope that it has because of backer demands. I don't think Chris is sitting atop a pile of decisions and yes'ing or no'ing each into oblivion. I think he relies heavily on the advice of Todd, Erin and others for their respective areas and yes - as CEO decides overall direction but leaves a lot of the liberty to the respective heads. As for Crytek: I think CIG would have outright settled if they honestly thought they were in the wrong and "caught" by Crytek (so to speak). Either there are other facets of the agreement(s) that were made that we're just not privy to or they really think CryTek's case isn't strong enough to worry about.

To your point about attacking the arguments of others instead of others directly: I'm not outright attacking anyone. I tried making reasoned arguments but either people thought they were poo poo and stopped responding or felt the need to quash the one outspoken voice in the thread so badly that it just became less and less fun to argue. Now I just poke Smart every once in a while and say a few words here-and-there to gauge what the narrative shifted to week-by-week. One week it's about marketing and Sandi. Another it's about Erin and some Irish Mafia connection. Then it's Archer. Rinse, repeat. It's honestly old. I stopped giving CIG money and am equally as glad that there's no need to buy into and pay for anything more in SA forums. Some of the other threads and topics in the forums are ok - I'll go spend some time there and talk about my fishing kayak, learn a few tips for when I'm at the range next or whatever.

As far as I know, nobody has really made the argument that crowdfunding is bad when it is utilized in such a way that results in an end product - see Gloomhaven, Divinity, or any other successful projects. I think a large problem with SC that people take issue with is that you have a company that is constantly generating engineering debt to obtain more funding for development of a game that appears to be in perpetual alpha with no end in sight. Every deadline has been missed by months, every statement about the current status of the project and expected releases has been demonstrably false to the point that they had to know they were lying when they made those statements, and literally you have what appears to be the most heinous rabid fanbase on the planet that goes out of their way to promote SC in a way that makes bitcoin shittards look like normal people.

How do you explain what looks like the complete inability for fans to have introspection into why they make the statements they do, or why they have what looks like a cult-like following for a game?

As far as the lawsuit goes - speculating on it in any form is hilariously silly. Literally nobody is going to have an objective opinion on either side of it, however, some of the arguments made about the language of exclusivity are ridiculous especially if you are attempting to make the argument that a company that literally exists to license engine tech would grant only one game development company access to their entire revenue stream and lock it out for everyone else.

Milkfred E. Moore
Aug 27, 2006

'It's easier to imagine the end of the world than the end of capitalism.'

ManofManyAliases posted:

My goal is not to try and turn people here, defend CIG from the goons, shill for CIG, protect backers or the like. It's to defenstrate this notion that crowdfunding of this magnitude is bad, that a company that may not have started off surefooted can try and gain some ground in the more recent years and that there exists a possibility of a space simulation that many people want and is for all intents and purposes, attainable. Look: CIG has raised a poo poo ton of money from backers and an unknown amount from private investment. They have positioned themselves around tax hurdles, setup subs to adjust their positions, hedge and play the game (just like any other corporation does), and - iny my opinion - are making efforts to really achieve some semblance of a game that has grown into the scope that it has because of backer demands. I don't think Chris is sitting atop a pile of decisions and yes'ing or no'ing each into oblivion. I think he relies heavily on the advice of Todd, Erin and others for their respective areas and yes - as CEO decides overall direction but leaves a lot of the liberty to the respective heads. As for Crytek: I think CIG would have outright settled if they honestly thought they were in the wrong and "caught" by Crytek (so to speak). Either there are other facets of the agreement(s) that were made that we're just not privy to or they really think CryTek's case isn't strong enough to worry about.

To your point about attacking the arguments of others instead of others directly: I'm not outright attacking anyone. I tried making reasoned arguments but either people thought they were poo poo and stopped responding or felt the need to quash the one outspoken voice in the thread so badly that it just became less and less fun to argue. Now I just poke Smart every once in a while and say a few words here-and-there to gauge what the narrative shifted to week-by-week. One week it's about marketing and Sandi. Another it's about Erin and some Irish Mafia connection. Then it's Archer. Rinse, repeat. It's honestly old. I stopped giving CIG money and am equally as glad that there's no need to buy into and pay for anything more in SA forums. Some of the other threads and topics in the forums are ok - I'll go spend some time there and talk about my fishing kayak, learn a few tips for when I'm at the range next or whatever.

This is almost 500 words of defending CIG. Yikes.

Midnight Voyager
Jul 2, 2008

Lipstick Apathy

Milky Moor posted:

This is almost 500 words of defending CIG. Yikes.

It's okay, he prefaced it by saying he isn't here to defend CIG, so that cancels out all the words that only exist to defend CIG.

Tippis
Mar 21, 2008

It's yet another day in the wasteland.

Midnight Voyager posted:

It's okay, he prefaced it by saying he isn't here to defend CIG, so that cancels out all the words that only exist to defend CIG.

Especially since the non-defence is against an argument no-one has really ever made. So that's double-cancelled! Check mate goonie.

Veni Vidi Ameche!
Nov 2, 2017

by Fluffdaddy

ManofManyAliases posted:

What company do you know comments on pending legal action? Or, makes a variety public statements while under potential legal action?

What part of my post mentioned CIG commenting on the lawsuit? What part of CIG’s behavior leads you to believe a question like “what other company ...” applies to them in any meaningful way? Have they been making tons of rational, intelligent decisions based in reality that I just haven’t heard about? They’re a clown show, top to bottom. I haven’t heard of them doing anything head-scratchingly stupid or embarrassing for a few weeks, and that’s unusual, so I figured I’d check in with the thread.

SomethingJones
Mar 6, 2016

<3

ManofManyAliases posted:

My goal is not to try and turn people here, defend CIG from the goons, shill for CIG, protect backers or the like. It's to defenstrate this notion that crowdfunding of this magnitude is bad, that a company that may not have started off surefooted can try and gain some ground in the more recent years and that there exists a possibility of a space simulation that many people want and is for all intents and purposes, attainable. Look: CIG has raised a poo poo ton of money from backers and an unknown amount from private investment. They have positioned themselves around tax hurdles, setup subs to adjust their positions, hedge and play the game (just like any other corporation does), and - iny my opinion - are making efforts to really achieve some semblance of a game that has grown into the scope that it has because of backer demands. I don't think Chris is sitting atop a pile of decisions and yes'ing or no'ing each into oblivion. I think he relies heavily on the advice of Todd, Erin and others for their respective areas and yes - as CEO decides overall direction but leaves a lot of the liberty to the respective heads. As for Crytek: I think CIG would have outright settled if they honestly thought they were in the wrong and "caught" by Crytek (so to speak). Either there are other facets of the agreement(s) that were made that we're just not privy to or they really think CryTek's case isn't strong enough to worry about.

To your point about attacking the arguments of others instead of others directly: I'm not outright attacking anyone. I tried making reasoned arguments but either people thought they were poo poo and stopped responding or felt the need to quash the one outspoken voice in the thread so badly that it just became less and less fun to argue. Now I just poke Smart every once in a while and say a few words here-and-there to gauge what the narrative shifted to week-by-week. One week it's about marketing and Sandi. Another it's about Erin and some Irish Mafia connection. Then it's Archer. Rinse, repeat. It's honestly old. I stopped giving CIG money and am equally as glad that there's no need to buy into and pay for anything more in SA forums. Some of the other threads and topics in the forums are ok - I'll go spend some time there and talk about my fishing kayak, learn a few tips for when I'm at the range next or whatever.



You started with the premise that you are here to defenstrate these notions:
1. Crowdfunding of this magnitude is bad
2. Even a company who got off to a bad start can gain ground and the simulation is in fact attainable


1.
Crowdfunding of this magnitude is not bad or good as such. Selling jpegs of spaceships by posting videos on youtube describing gameplay which is not feasible with your tech (demonstrably so) is BAD, and lying to your backers about the status of development is WORSE (weeks not months, Network Culling in development in 2015 and started development in Jan 2018, Star Marine is in the game, VR development ramping up in 2016 etc etc). They are liars, there is no other way to say it. They've been lying about what they are capable of producing and they have to keep lying to pay their staff.

All of this is demonstrable and has been documented by sheer effort in this thread for years.


2.
Frontier got off to a bad start and are demonstrating year on year that the level of simulation desired is in fact attainable - with their tech and with their teams. CIG year on year have demonstrated that the level of simulation desired is NOT possible with their tech or their teams.


As for the scope growing based on backer demands - this is the same as saying that a backer can ask for a feature in return for paying money - and this is in fact the case! Because in all of those 10FTC videos Chris answered 'Yes' to every single 'will we be able to do X' question. I know this to be true because I went through all of them and posted a big list. And what comes out of that? The "level of simulation" desired and that you feel is attainable, and this is the absolute heart of where you disagree with posters here, because it isn't attainable, not in the slightest, not with that engine and that team and with Chris Roberts in charge.

"Some semblance of a game" is the absolute best you can possibly hope for but unfortunately it's too late for that because time is about to be called on the whole project and the backers are seemingly the last people to know what the gently caress is about to hit Star Citizen.

You're out of the loop MoMA.

Propagandist
Oct 23, 2007

ManofManyAliases posted:

My goal is not to try and turn people here, defend CIG from the goons, shill for CIG, protect backers or the like. It's to defenstrate this notion that crowdfunding of this magnitude is bad, that a company that may not have started off surefooted can try and gain some ground in the more recent years and that there exists a possibility of a space simulation that many people want and is for all intents and purposes, attainable. Look: CIG has raised a poo poo ton of money from backers and an unknown amount from private investment. They have positioned themselves around tax hurdles, setup subs to adjust their positions, hedge and play the game (just like any other corporation does), and - iny my opinion - are making efforts to really achieve some semblance of a game that has grown into the scope that it has because of backer demands. I don't think Chris is sitting atop a pile of decisions and yes'ing or no'ing each into oblivion. I think he relies heavily on the advice of Todd, Erin and others for their respective areas and yes - as CEO decides overall direction but leaves a lot of the liberty to the respective heads. As for Crytek: I think CIG would have outright settled if they honestly thought they were in the wrong and "caught" by Crytek (so to speak). Either there are other facets of the agreement(s) that were made that we're just not privy to or they really think CryTek's case isn't strong enough to worry about.

To your point about attacking the arguments of others instead of others directly: I'm not outright attacking anyone. I tried making reasoned arguments but either people thought they were poo poo and stopped responding or felt the need to quash the one outspoken voice in the thread so badly that it just became less and less fun to argue. Now I just poke Smart every once in a while and say a few words here-and-there to gauge what the narrative shifted to week-by-week. One week it's about marketing and Sandi. Another it's about Erin and some Irish Mafia connection. Then it's Archer. Rinse, repeat. It's honestly old. I stopped giving CIG money and am equally as glad that there's no need to buy into and pay for anything more in SA forums. Some of the other threads and topics in the forums are ok - I'll go spend some time there and talk about my fishing kayak, learn a few tips for when I'm at the range next or whatever.

Hi Derek.

skaboomizzy
Nov 12, 2003

There is nothing I want to be. There is nothing I want to do.
I don't even have an image of what I want to be. I have nothing. All that exists is zero.
awesome, it's "reasonable" MoMA's shift now.

SomethingJones
Mar 6, 2016

<3

ManofManyAliases posted:

What company do you know comments on pending legal action? Or, makes a variety public statements while under potential legal action?

CIG and Crytek both commented on the legal action, they both sent releases to Polygon and Ars Technica.


quote:

We are aware of the Crytek complaint having been filed in the US District Court. CIG hasn’t used the CryEngine for quite some time since we switched to Amazon’s Lumberyard. This is a meritless lawsuit that we will defend vigorously against, including recovering from Crytek any costs incurred in this matter.

quote:

Crytek is a technology company and intellectual property is its greatest asset. It is unfortunate that this lawsuit had to be brought, but Crytek has been left with no option but to protect its intellectual property in court.

Midnight Voyager
Jul 2, 2008

Lipstick Apathy

ManofManyAliases posted:

I tried making reasoned arguments but either people thought they were poo poo and stopped responding or felt the need to quash the one outspoken voice in the thread so badly that it just became less and less fun to argue.

Actually, if you want to know why people stopped responding to your arguments in good faith, that's pretty easy. Nobody agrees with the reasons in your arguments. Like, what is anyone supposed to do with that? We disagree with you. We interpret what we are seeing differently. Showing us these facts and how you interpret them isn't going to do anything, because we just flat-out disagree. It's like arguing politics with your racist grandfather. It accomplishes nothing except irritating everyone involved. When most people realize they are at an impasse in a debate, they move on to another topic or something. You are Sisyphus if Sisyphus made himself push the rock up the hill and could stop at any time.

And nobody wants to "quash the one outspoken voice in the thread," Captain Oppression Complex. We're just here for laughs. Laughing at you isn't quashing your voice. It's this: We started off disagreeing with you, then we got frustrated because you're one of those guys who can't put an argument down even when it's blatantly clear that nobody is being convinced by you in the slightest, and then we gave up and got the laughs we were looking for at your expense. Now your schtick is old and not really funny anymore.

SomethingJones
Mar 6, 2016

<3

ManofManyAliases posted:

I'm not outright attacking anyone.


ManofManyAliases posted:

No one's going to jail for a video game you nutjob. FFS fully retire already.

ManofManyAliases posted:

LOL you loving pansies are so scared of risk.

ManofManyAliases posted:

You're a loving idiot.

ManofManyAliases posted:

I read this forum you insufferable asshat.


Can't be arsed to dig up the bullshit you were spouting about the Coutts loan being CIG hedging their bets on Brexit, but that was when I realised you are just here to troll and nothing else. You may as well come clean MoMA, the game is up.

Spermanent Record
Mar 28, 2007
I interviewed a NK escapee who came to my school and made a thread. Then life got in the way and the translation had to be postponed. I did finish it in the end, but nobody is going to pay 10 bux to update my.avatar

ManofManyAliases posted:

My goal is not to try and turn people here, defend CIG from the goons, shill for CIG, protect backers or the like. It's to defenstrate this notion that crowdfunding of this magnitude is bad, that a company that may not have started off surefooted can try and gain some ground in the more recent years and that there exists a possibility of a space simulation that many people want and is for all intents and purposes, attainable. Look: CIG has raised a poo poo ton of money from backers and an unknown amount from private investment. They have positioned themselves around tax hurdles, setup subs to adjust their positions, hedge and play the game (just like any other corporation does), and - iny my opinion - are making efforts to really achieve some semblance of a game that has grown into the scope that it has because of backer demands. I don't think Chris is sitting atop a pile of decisions and yes'ing or no'ing each into oblivion. I think he relies heavily on the advice of Todd, Erin and others for their respective areas and yes - as CEO decides overall direction but leaves a lot of the liberty to the respective heads. As for Crytek: I think CIG would have outright settled if they honestly thought they were in the wrong and "caught" by Crytek (so to speak). Either there are other facets of the agreement(s) that were made that we're just not privy to or they really think CryTek's case isn't strong enough to worry about.

To your point about attacking the arguments of others instead of others directly: I'm not outright attacking anyone. I tried making reasoned arguments but either people thought they were poo poo and stopped responding or felt the need to quash the one outspoken voice in the thread so badly that it just became less and less fun to argue. Now I just poke Smart every once in a while and say a few words here-and-there to gauge what the narrative shifted to week-by-week. One week it's about marketing and Sandi. Another it's about Erin and some Irish Mafia connection. Then it's Archer. Rinse, repeat. It's honestly old. I stopped giving CIG money and am equally as glad that there's no need to buy into and pay for anything more in SA forums. Some of the other threads and topics in the forums are ok - I'll go spend some time there and talk about my fishing kayak, learn a few tips for when I'm at the range next or whatever.

You are wrong.

The Rabbi T. White
Jul 17, 2008





For those who somehow missed it:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kjrzemJvUCU
That is Ubisoft doing everything that Star Citizen wants to do - and doing it well and smoothly and on a console.
Why are backers not going crazy over this?
God I wish I was in the room to watch Crobber's expression when someone showed him this video.

Blue On Blue
Nov 14, 2012

The Rabbi T. White posted:

For those who somehow missed it:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kjrzemJvUCU
That is Ubisoft doing everything that Star Citizen wants to do - and doing it well and smoothly and on a console.
Why are backers not going crazy over this?
God I wish I was in the room to watch Crobber's expression when someone showed him this video.

Brightly lite work spaces, no airplane parts to be seen anywhere in the office

Total poo poo, the entire management team should be fired

trucutru
Jul 9, 2003

by Fluffdaddy

ManofManyAliases posted:

My goal is not to try and turn people here, defend CIG from the goons, shill for CIG, protect backers or the like. It's to defenstrate this notion that crowdfunding of this magnitude is bad, that a company that may not have started off surefooted can try and gain some ground in the more recent years and that there exists a possibility of a space simulation that many people want and is for all intents and purposes, attainable. Look: CIG has raised a poo poo ton of money from backers and an unknown amount from private investment. They have positioned themselves around tax hurdles, setup subs to adjust their positions, hedge and play the game (just like any other corporation does), and - iny my opinion - are making efforts to really achieve some semblance of a game that has grown into the scope that it has because of backer demands. I don't think Chris is sitting atop a pile of decisions and yes'ing or no'ing each into oblivion. I think he relies heavily on the advice of Todd, Erin and others for their respective areas and yes - as CEO decides overall direction but leaves a lot of the liberty to the respective heads. As for Crytek: I think CIG would have outright settled if they honestly thought they were in the wrong and "caught" by Crytek (so to speak). Either there are other facets of the agreement(s) that were made that we're just not privy to or they really think CryTek's case isn't strong enough to worry about.

To your point about attacking the arguments of others instead of others directly: I'm not outright attacking anyone. I tried making reasoned arguments but either people thought they were poo poo and stopped responding or felt the need to quash the one outspoken voice in the thread so badly that it just became less and less fun to argue. Now I just poke Smart every once in a while and say a few words here-and-there to gauge what the narrative shifted to week-by-week. One week it's about marketing and Sandi. Another it's about Erin and some Irish Mafia connection. Then it's Archer. Rinse, repeat. It's honestly old. I stopped giving CIG money and am equally as glad that there's no need to buy into and pay for anything more in SA forums. Some of the other threads and topics in the forums are ok - I'll go spend some time there and talk about my fishing kayak, learn a few tips for when I'm at the range next or whatever.

Yeah, like I am going to read that.

Ok, I'll try...

ManofManyAliases posted:

My goal is not to try and turn people here, defend CIG from the goons, shill for CIG, protect backers or the like. It's to defenstrate


Oh, gently caress you.

(Sorry, I couldn't continue).

But, seriously, gently caress you and your big words.



Where is Octopode?

Octopode, I miss you, I know you're reading.

trucutru
Jul 9, 2003

by Fluffdaddy
Hey, I read your post MoMA. I just want to say that the reason people attacked your arguments is because they were poo poo, nothing less, nothing more.

Also, this is 2018, we haven;t talked about Sandi. Erin and some Irish Mafia connection, and Archer for a freaking while. It's not fun anymore when we can talk about lawsuits, 3.0 (lol), and their lies.

Why don't you comment on all the people leaving the job? What's your opinion about that? Mmmm?

trucutru fucked around with this message at 08:54 on Feb 12, 2018

SomethingJones
Mar 6, 2016

<3

SomethingJones posted:

Current Frankfurt Vacancies:

Senior Producer
Feb 8, 2018

Producer
Jan 16, 2018

Senior Tools Programmer
January 16, 2018

Senior Game/Animation Programmer
January 16, 2018

Senior Engine Programmer
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Senior Game/AI Programmer
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Senior Game Programmer
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Physics Programmer
January 16, 2018

Lead Gameplay Programmer
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Animator
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Senior Facial Animator
January 11, 2018

Derail trigger was this

mrchinchin25
Apr 14, 2012

Dat BDSSE

Thoatse posted:

Paarp Fiction

“Say uhm ahh erm wat one more time motherfucker”

Also CIG intern: it would be really cool if you put heists into the game. You know like in that lower class game GTA5 which as we know is the current comparison to Sta Citizen

Dark Off
Aug 14, 2015




The Rabbi T. White posted:

For those who somehow missed it:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kjrzemJvUCU
That is Ubisoft doing everything that Star Citizen wants to do - and doing it well and smoothly and on a console.
Why are backers not going crazy over this?
God I wish I was in the room to watch Crobber's expression when someone showed him this video.

its too similar to SC. I would recommend lowering expectations for that. things like asteroid impacts affecting cities, subsumption npc's, pupil to planet solar systems without loading screens, multiplayer focus. Those are setting off my alarm bells.
I do hope that im wrong. But currently i am fully expecting to see "optional" pre-order ships for 200$

IrvingWashington
Dec 9, 2007

Shabbat Shalom
Clapping Larry

quote:

It's basically This is Spinal Tap except people think the band is real.

Stop wasting my time
You know what I want
You know what I need
Or maybe you don't?

https://youtu.be/I-BYzaDwNoE

Perfect theme tune

Thoatse
Feb 29, 2016

Lol said the scorpion, lmao

Gort
Aug 18, 2003

Good day what ho cup of tea
Owls are rad as poo poo.

Xaerael
Aug 25, 2010

Marching Powder is objectively the worst poster known. He also needs to learn how a keyboard works.

Gort posted:

Owls are dumb as poo poo.

FTFY

Source: I worked at a Raptor sanctuary, and owned a barn owl. They really are the dumbest feather dusters in the world.

AP
Jul 12, 2004

One Ring to fool them all
One Ring to find them
One Ring to milk them all
and pockets fully line them
Grimey Drawer

Gort
Aug 18, 2003

Good day what ho cup of tea

Xaerael posted:

FTFY

Source: I worked at a Raptor sanctuary, and owned a barn owl. They really are the dumbest feather dusters in the world.

I want owl anecdotes

AlmightyPants
Mar 14, 2001

King of Scheduling
Pillbug

SomethingJones posted:

Can't be arsed to dig up the bullshit you were spouting about the Coutts loan being CIG hedging their bets on Brexit, but that was when I realised you are just here to troll and nothing else. You may as well come clean MoMA, the game is up.

MoMA lies constantly and intentionally. It's just not worth the effort to argue with someone who is going to be dishonest to try and score imaginary points over some other nerd on a dead gay comedy forum. I don't know why people keep taking the bait. If MoMA ever makes a substantive argument and has intention of being honest and forthright instead of just stirring poo poo up then perhaps I could see the entertainment value, but after months of seeing the same dishonest arguments I just view MoMA as a high effort troll. It's pretty decent as far as trolls go, but the amount of time and energy that goes into it is baffling, especially considering that it riles up a handful of nerds every so often and that's it.

AP
Jul 12, 2004

One Ring to fool them all
One Ring to find them
One Ring to milk them all
and pockets fully line them
Grimey Drawer
https://twitter.com/Feldorkane/status/962873177104842753

https://twitter.com/SHACKLETON_ENT/status/962871027104497664

https://twitter.com/PhoenixFieryn/status/962836835448774657

no_recall
Aug 17, 2015

Lipstick Apathy

These people are broken as gently caress.

Bofast
Feb 21, 2011

Grimey Drawer

Mattjpwns posted:

Strikes me as someone trying to be 'clever' with optimization. "This way we only have to do damage = baseDamage * armour rather than damage = baseDamage - armour * baseDamage, omg the CPU cycle savings"

I think I would prefer damage = baseDamage * (1 - armour). I don't know much about games development, however :shrug:

Harold Stassen
Jan 24, 2016
Occasionally I fall back to an outsiders perspective, and all this poo poo with 2.0, 3.0 etc. is ridiculous.

All these updates are "we're working so hard on X.X iteration of thing Y"

Above everything else this is the Potemkin Village of game development.

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AP
Jul 12, 2004

One Ring to fool them all
One Ring to find them
One Ring to milk them all
and pockets fully line them
Grimey Drawer

ManofManyAliases posted:

I stopped giving CIG money

Congrats.

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