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Well the stock clock gains are already leaked, its about 200mhz across the board. Glofos 12nm is not really a "die shrink" (numbers are marketing trash now), its Samsungs 14LPP with some smaller libraries from what I've read. Should change some unit sizes, and shrink the average gate size a little, but this really is just a refresh. Theres a reason it was called 14+ until a few months ago when it was rebranded. Glofo's 7nm DUV (if it still happens? there are rumors they are going straight to limited EUV) will be the big change.
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Kinda figured that was how it was going to go down. I was hoping for 10% but maybe they'll make it if they push the voltage. The wall is really steep right now and maybe that will be relaxed a bit. I wonder how 12LP compares to TSMC 12nm/10nm (which I'm pretty sure are a 16+ and a 16++) and 7nm though. I'm wondering how much it'll help Vega 20 going up against GP100.
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Well, they did mention 15% greater transistor density, I'd assume there has to be some knock on effects for die size if number of transistors between designs remains the same.
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I'm sure the unlocked variants will be binned a little better and maybe, hopefully 300-400mhz increases for those? Would it be fair to just say get it if you generally liked Ryzen but was not interested in dealing with the: -good but not entirely convincing single core performance of Ryzen gen1 -RAM compatibility strangeness of Ryzen gen1 (at launch anyways) -BIOS version dickery from mobo manufacturers -4.0 Ghz max clocks at best didn't seem too futureproof
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Seamonster posted:I'm sure the unlocked variants will be binned a little better and maybe, hopefully 300-400mhz increases for those? Again, these are not Zen+ dies, but yes, that's been my general hope for Zen+. Fix the IMU wonkiness so regular RAM with normal-ish timings just works, clocks a bit higher, more stable in general (hopefully a 100% fix for the segfault bug). A little faster, with the rough corners polished off would go a long way. Unfortunately mobo manufacturers are actively screwing the pooch here, GN, Phoronix, Jay, and Bitwit are reporting instability/driver issues on certain mobos. I'm sure it will get sorted out but lol, it has got to be aggravating for AMD just how badly their board partners handle the launches. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t_te-ksbGXE https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=AMD-Raven-Ridge-Mobo-Linux Paul MaudDib fucked around with this message at 06:28 on Feb 21, 2018 |
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I thought the fix for the Segfault bug was to get a replacement from AMD? IIRC they narrowed it down to one or two months from the Malaysia? foundry
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God drat it, I hate it when they put bling bling on high tech stuff. I'm running my R7 rig with two 1080s without the side cover to keep the heat and noise down, and the drat thing lights up like Fourth of July. GPUs have LEDs on them. Four RAM sticks shine as all hell and you can't turn off any of these. drat, even the board has lights but you can at least turn them off (not that it helps much). I'm already thinking about a real ghetto fix; putting sticky masking tape over those goddamn lights because they annoy me at night! 
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A SWEATY FATBEARD posted:God drat it, I hate it when they put bling bling on high tech stuff. I'm running my R7 rig with two 1080s without the side cover to keep the heat and noise down, and the drat thing lights up like Fourth of July. GPUs have LEDs on them. Four RAM sticks shine as all hell and you can't turn off any of these. drat, even the board has lights but you can at least turn them off (not that it helps much). I'm already thinking about a real ghetto fix; putting sticky masking tape over those goddamn lights because they annoy me at night! Standard whiteout would probably work, just paint it on in layers.
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A SWEATY FATBEARD posted:God drat it, I hate it when they put bling bling on high tech stuff. I'm running my R7 rig with two 1080s without the side cover to keep the heat and noise down, and the drat thing lights up like Fourth of July. GPUs have LEDs on them. Four RAM sticks shine as all hell and you can't turn off any of these. drat, even the board has lights but you can at least turn them off (not that it helps much). I'm already thinking about a real ghetto fix; putting sticky masking tape over those goddamn lights because they annoy me at night! I use server racks that only have small slits in the sides, so all I have to do is turn board lights off and it's good enough. That being said, depending on your bios, asus in particular, you can turn some rgb off. Also i think linustechtips discusses a few ways to paint a computer. I think liquid electrical tape works, maybe plastidip etc. Just would ruin resale value. Ezekial fucked around with this message at 00:06 on Feb 22, 2018 |
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A SWEATY FATBEARD posted:God drat it, I hate it when they put bling bling on high tech stuff. I'm running my R7 rig with two 1080s without the side cover to keep the heat and noise down, and the drat thing lights up like Fourth of July. GPUs have LEDs on them. Four RAM sticks shine as all hell and you can't turn off any of these. drat, even the board has lights but you can at least turn them off (not that it helps much). I'm already thinking about a real ghetto fix; putting sticky masking tape over those goddamn lights because they annoy me at night! It's one thing I looked at when buying my Palit Gamerock - can the GPU lights be turned off (they can).
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https://community.amd.com/community/amd-business/blog/2018/02/21/ushering-in-a-new-age-of-embedded-processors It probably isn't any less than a year off, but I'd like to see an embedded board that usually uses those shitbook chips using one of these (probably one of those apocalypse bins like this)
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Anime Schoolgirl posted:https://community.amd.com/community/amd-business/blog/2018/02/21/ushering-in-a-new-age-of-embedded-processors drat, there is basically nothing left of that chip, 2C/4T and 3CU means AMD is going to be ready to reuse everything. Guess Athlons will be AMDs Celeron equivalent, 2C/4T 3-6CU, and sell for the 39-59$ market and will knock the absolute poo poo out of what they are supposed to compete against. gently caress, this'll dominate the nearly every embedded commercial solution I've seen, hopefully they don't gently caress the BIOS for any commercial boards, RAM and GPU tweaking are a must. So maybe There might be an R3 2100, 4C/4T, 6CU, then a bunch of Athlons for desktop? Athlon 280X: 2C/4T, 3.6 Base, 3.9 Boost, disabled iGPU Athlon 280G: 2C/4T, 3.4 Base, 3.7 Boost, 6CU Athlon 260X: 2C/4T, 3.3 Base, 3.6 Boost, disabled iGPU Athlon 260G: 2C/4T, 3.4 Base, 3.7 Boost, 4CU Athlon 240G: 2C/4T, 3.2 Base, 3.6 Boost, 4CU Athlon 220G: 2C/4T, 3.0 Base, 3.4 Boost, 3CU Athlon 200G: 2C/4T, 2.8 Base, 3.2 Boost, 3CU Also this should be pretty power efficient, might be 2 in 1 worthy?
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Double Post but, AMD poached Ciscos Server CTO in charge of UCS. https://www.theregister.co.uk/2018/02/21/amd_lures_ciscos_server_cto_into_epyc_new_gig/ So good news for EPYC?
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FaustianQ posted:Double Post but, AMD poached Ciscos Server CTO in charge of UCS. https://www.theregister.co.uk/2018/02/21/amd_lures_ciscos_server_cto_into_epyc_new_gig/ Sweet heavens yes
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FaustianQ posted:drat, there is basically nothing left of that chip, 2C/4T and 3CU means AMD is going to be ready to reuse everything. Guess Athlons will be AMDs Celeron equivalent, 2C/4T 3-6CU, and sell for the 39-59$ market and will knock the absolute poo poo out of what they are supposed to compete against. gently caress, this'll dominate the nearly every embedded commercial solution I've seen, hopefully they don't gently caress the BIOS for any commercial boards, RAM and GPU tweaking are a must. I don't know anything about the embedded market. How often do people even "refresh" this sort of stuff? Margins would be decent I assume since they're squeezing every last drop from the wafers? These do sound great for cheap chromebooks. That lowest spec one might be fun to play with as a single board thingy, assuming they pair it with enough RAM. How would 3 CUs of graphics compare to whats on phones and tablets these days?
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The embedded Ryzens look to be reused Raven Ridge, based on the die size and features. The better Vega cores will def be useful for stuff with graphical requirements, like slot machines, signage, and medical equipment. May be able to snake some of the market there, cause the intel and arm offerings are def weak in that area, which leads to some stuff using separate video chips which add cost. The also announced embedded EPYC has a few parts which are super bizarre two original Zeppelin dies on a small package... like threadripper but without the weird dummy dies. https://www.servethehome.com/amd-epyc-embedded-3000-series-launch-watch-out-xeon-d/ 
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Since its a smaller package they don't need the dummy dies that the larger TR and Epyc do to support and distribute the pressure of the mounted HSF anymore properly across the package. For embedded stuff it makes sense I guess. The STH guys seem awfully excited about it and reading the specs and prices it seems that its almost a given they're going to sell heaps of them. The real issue will be probably just how many they can supply.
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PC LOAD LETTER posted:Since its a smaller package they don't need the dummy dies that the larger TR and Epyc do to support and distribute the pressure of the mounted HSF anymore properly across the package. I was thinking about building a new "server" with a 12 core ThreadRipper, but these embedded Epyc procs look real nice.
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The embedded EPYC processors really lends credence to the idea that either TR is just recycled EPYC or AMD intends to do a lot more with TR4 as a platform that requires such an enormous socket.
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https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=TpECFc4nlmI Hardware Unboxed have started doing science to the APUs. With a $20 air cooler on the R3 2200G, anywhere from 10-20% performance gains depending on the game (minimum frames getting a larger boost than average ones).  It overtook the stock R5 2400G in many tests, so I’m very excited to see the gains that can be made when overclocking that one.
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Is there a go-to Threadripper motherboard for people wanting to run Linux and do GPU passthrough? I heard they updated the Taichi? The problem I'm having is all the X399 boards except the Gigabyte Aorus look like hot garbage to me, so I need something to motivate me to pick one over another. my god they're all hideous though
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Novo posted:Is there a go-to Threadripper motherboard for people wanting to run Linux and do GPU passthrough? I heard they updated the Taichi? Asus has generally is good for pass through of components and if you ever need bifurcation the Asus boards can split 16x slots into 4x4.
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Novo posted:Is there a go-to Threadripper motherboard for people wanting to run Linux and do GPU passthrough? I heard they updated the Taichi? Buy an ASUS board for the features, put it in a case that has no big ugly plexiglas window on the side, never need to look at the motherboard, ???, profit?
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Novo posted:Is there a go-to Threadripper motherboard for people wanting to run Linux and do GPU passthrough? I heard they updated the Taichi? I liked what I saw out of the Gigabyte X399 Designaire, but my default brand is ASRock.
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Cygni posted:The better Vega cores will def be useful for stuff with graphical requirements, like slot machines Why would they when they could use old Athlons and stuff. I have family who used to work in manufacturing slot machines, ten years ago when I last looked into one there was a wimpy Celeron processor on an mATX board in there. The cases are getting thinner than they used to but I don't think it's the power. The appealing thing for slots would be running four independent 4K screens, since you could build some big crazy mondo designs where the jackpot and other poo poo is on a screen above. Novo posted:Is there a go-to Threadripper motherboard for people wanting to run Linux and do GPU passthrough? You're basically doing a "which brand because these are all the same" request, so I'll just say I'm a long-time Asus buyer who is going MSI for now because they did a good job when I RMAed a graphics card. My only Gigabyte board was a mess and people who have used their RMAs always seem to be unhappy. OTOH the Gigabyte Designaire is the only TR motherboard that doesn't look it's trying too hard to impress everyone. However, personally I'd probably go MSI Gaming Pro Carbon because of what I said above, the lights aren't too obnoxious, I also like that their gamer line ignores the PC99 color coding standards and goes for red and black I/O ports, which I like because the PC99 colors are dated as all get-out. Craptacular! fucked around with this message at 00:13 on Feb 23, 2018 |
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Craptacular! posted:Why would they when they could use old Athlons and stuff. For the huge multi-screen slot machines that fill vegas now, they generally run dedicated architectures based on embedded parts. They are getting into adding lots of graphical effects to attract If you could get rid of the MXM, you could probably cut size, power, heat, and cost. Could be a competitive argument.
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Do those APUs support freesync? I'm assuming if they'll do 3x4k60, it would happily do just one 1080@120. I'm usually pretty drunk at the casino but some of the new machines seem much smoother than 60hz Digging through brochures it looks like they use ECC memory, is that standard for slot machines?
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Cygni posted:For the huge multi-screen slot machines that fill vegas now, they generally run dedicated architectures based on embedded parts. They are getting into adding lots of graphical effects to attract Do you work in casinos? It's kind of odd that you know so much about the latest Scientific Games chipset but still call them Williams (people internally would use WMS). The problem isn't the cost of materials, it's the cost of certification among so many jurisdictions. By the time you've jumped through all the hoops and signed all the forms in triplicate to convince the strictest of places that they can ride millions of dollars on your new equipment, operating system, whatever, it's already no longer cutting edge.
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Craptacular! posted:Do you work in casinos? It's kind of odd that you know so much about the latest Scientific Games chipset but still call them Williams (people internally would use WMS). naw, i just poked at some poo poo at a tradeshow cause im a dumb nerd and it looked like a neat computer thing, then i looked up the specs online. i was just in vegas a few weekends ago so it was fresh in my mind. i assure you i dont know poo poo.
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Interview with Gary Patton at GloFo-IBM https://www.anandtech.com/show/12438/the-future-of-silicon-an-exclusive-interview-with-dr-gary-patton-cto-of-globalfoundries. Interesting that 12nm is not a considered just an enhancement to 14nmLPP, but rather it's own partial optical shrink with reduction in middle and back-end. They specifically asked if it's just a change from 9T to 7.5T libraries and it's not [just that], maybe it's GloFo backporting 10nm features into the node? Also based on how Gary talks about 14nm and 12nm, I'm guessing they'll be continually enhancing the process in the future, I wonder if that'd include EUV? Also, GloFo expects 7nm to be around forever and seems ready to do multiple generations of it as they phase in towards full EUV. Also, they way Gary talked about 5nm gave me the impression that GloFo would rather take any planned design elements for 5nm and just integrate them into 7nm until a substantial enough node change can be achieved. Also, Also, GloFo invested heavily into 22FDX and 12FDX, and according to Gary they have parity with 14nmFF and 7nmFF for chips under 150mm˛ depending on design. Sounds like a winner for low power applications?
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Craptacular! posted:OTOH the Gigabyte Designaire is the only TR motherboard that doesn't look it's trying too hard to impress everyone. Isn't that basically this https://www.gigabyte.com/Motherboard/X399-AORUS-Gaming-7-rev-10#kf with a slightly different paint job 
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FaustianQ posted:Also, GloFo expects 7nm to be around forever and seems ready to do multiple generations of it as they phase in towards full EUV. Also, they way Gary talked about 5nm gave me the impression that GloFo would rather take any planned design elements for 5nm and just integrate them into 7nm until a substantial enough node change can be achieved. Yeah I have a feeling too 7/10nm is going to be around for awhile. Like worse than 28nm for GPUs bad. But of course by that time we'll all be running 32c/64t threadrippers @ 5.2+ GHz anyway, right? 
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Stanley Pain posted:Isn't that basically this https://www.gigabyte.com/Motherboard/X399-AORUS-Gaming-7-rev-10#kf with a slightly different paint job It appears to not have every single slot on the board illuminated, though.
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Craptacular! posted:It appears to not have every single slot on the board illuminated, though. The RGB lights don't really bother me since I have it inside a case that uses sound dampening instead of glass and windows and such. I just checked the BIOS between the two and they look to be identical. So far it's been a rock solid board so I'd assume the Designaire would be pretty drat good too. My only gripe is they appear to be behind on BIOS updates.
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