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Intel&Sebastian posted:Quick Q's on the Children of Time ep of DS9 Nobody killed anybody in this episode. I consider this one in particularly egregious failure to understand their own premise. See, it's not that their Descendants on the planet died, and it's not even that their descendants cease to exist. by escaping the planet they are going to have a bunch of future descendants who have much better lives than the people stuck in subsistence farming that we see in the episode. Furthermore, they'll save everybody from the Dominion. This is one of the biggest false choices I think ever presented on Star Trek. it's like if some people came to now from way back in the past and concluded that stopping Genghis Khan from killing millions of people would be wrong, because a possible future exists where that happened and there are some nice people there.
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A bunch of Prophets looking like Vorta asking Jem'Hadar "what is life?" over and over again because the Jem'Hadar only say "Victory is life" when they're asked "what is victory."
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Mar 3, 2018 02:48
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Yeah i know but worf was specifically asked to stab his own descendants in the heart to give them a semblance of an honorable death before the wipe out and he was gonna do it but i guess he didnt since they were trying to preserve their little timeline
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Mar 3, 2018 02:55
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Yeah they all become idiots and decide to leave the galaxy to burn because they met their inbred bad timeline grandkids.
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Mar 3, 2018 03:07
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RC Cola posted:So what happened to the thousands of Dominion ships in the wormhole? Just lost in space and time forever?
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I think it was discussed here not too long ago, but I just rewatched TNG Reunification (I and II) for the first time in ages and I was pretty underwhelmed. The episodes are full of decisions and events that just don’t make any sense. Just off the top of my head: -The Romulans were going to take over Vulcan with 3,000 soldiers in completely defenseless transport vessels. Right, they were going to entrench themselves or whatever to make it a fact of life but give me a loving break, you couldn’t even occupy one small city with that number of soldiers, let alone a planet. -If successful, the Romulan sneak attack would have obviously been considered a deliberate act of war against the Federation, but nobody seemed to think the obvious repercussions would have included a major war. Vulcan is a founding member of the Federation, this isn’t some border colony! -Their plan hinged on nobody inspecting or even scanning mysterious transport vessels at all as they travel through Federation and Vulcan space. -Evil Romulan Yar left Picard, Data, and Spock alone in an office with full computer access and no guards- a computer apparently capable of blasting livestream transmissions to a foreign power (and generate holographic projection too) -Spock’s interstellar transmission of warning to Vulcan was not intercepted - the pro-Vulcan Romulan underground was completely compromised and each of their identities clearly known by the evil senator and consequently the secret police etc. yet they don’t seem concerned to remain on Romulus. The same goes for Spock- all their tunnels and hiding places are known. -apparently you can just easily send cloaked ships wherever, like loving Romulus, so earth must be 15% Romulan and Klingon agents -why was irreplaceable, priceless Data on this mission? -Riker violently assaults an unarmed Ferengi much smaller than him to get information Delthalaz fucked around with this message at 09:51 on Mar 3, 2018 |
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Mar 3, 2018 09:49
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Delthalaz posted:-apparently you can just easily send cloaked ships wherever, like loving Romulus, so earth must be 15% Romulan and Klingon agents From how often disguised agents are found in various episodes (the heroes even do it on several occasions) it's probably both true, and much higher than 15%.
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Mar 3, 2018 11:18
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Don't forget all the people that are taken over by ghosts, replaced by clones, have worms controlling them, evil gods taking their place, changlings infiltrating...
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Mar 3, 2018 15:29
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RC Cola posted:So what happened to the thousands of Dominion ships in the wormhole? Just lost in space and time forever? I think the scene implies that they just cease to exist. Removed from reality, if you will. But it isn't clearly stated what happens. Of course, STO simply has them thrown forward in time about 40 years, so the player can fight them.
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Delthalaz posted:-The Romulans were going to take over Vulcan with 3,000 soldiers in completely defenseless transport vessels. Right, they were going to entrench themselves or whatever to make it a fact of life but give me a loving break, you couldn’t even occupy one small city with that number of soldiers, let alone a planet. For comparison, Jubal Early showed up outside Washington DC with 10,000 troops, threw his hands up and went WELP!, then turned around. - or- Hitler and his SA Pals numbering more than 2000 but less than 3000 couldn't successfully take control of Munich. At least Early knew there was prepared opposition milling around DC. Hitler's crew was a bolt of lighting sucker punch against a soft target, so a bit closer to what the Romulans were up to. Hell, the German surprise attack plans on Switzerland called for about 400,000 men. If you need half a million dudes to take over a country the size of a peanut, the hell do you think you're going to do with 3000? Numbers aside, what were their overall plans? I mean, if a few thousand Russian or North Korean or whatever soldiers suddenly materialized in the Capitol, White House, and Pentagon and declared themselves in charge, virtually everyone is going to go "....ok" and wait for them to all get shot. Sash! fucked around with this message at 16:52 on Mar 3, 2018 |
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Mar 3, 2018 16:50
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Like if you were going to infiltrate Vulcan and plant an antimatter bomb in every major city then hold the planet hostage... probably still wouldn't work but you'd at least give the Federation pause with billions of lives on the line.
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Mar 3, 2018 16:56
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That's a nice Planet Vulcan you have there. Shame if something happened to... what? It already did? poo poo
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Mar 3, 2018 17:28
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Sela's Master Plan! (original content, don't steal!!) 1. Convert respected Vulcanian ambassador Spock 2. Infiltrate Vulcan with fleet of very frowny men in upholstery jackets 3. ???? 4. Obtain vengeance against the Federation for mom's abandonment in the past!
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Grand Fromage posted:Like if you were going to infiltrate Vulcan and plant an antimatter bomb in every major city then hold the planet hostage... probably still wouldn't work but you'd at least give the Federation pause with billions of lives on the line. This almost exact plan did not work in the Clive Cussler Dad Airport Novel "Dragon," wherein Japanese built cars were secret nuclear weapon carriers hidden throughout the world.
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Mar 3, 2018 18:32
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Sash! posted:This almost exact plan did not work in the Clive Cussler Dad Airport Novel "Dragon," wherein Japanese built cars were secret nuclear weapon carriers hidden throughout the world. And the award for most 80s novel goes to
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Mar 3, 2018 19:06
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Sash! posted:This almost exact plan did not work in the Clive Cussler Dad Airport Novel "Dragon," wherein Japanese built cars were secret nuclear weapon carriers hidden throughout the world. Haha. Those sneaky nuke loving Japs  Sela is a dumb character, Unification is a dumb episode and a shameful waste of Nimoy. There are some good Romulan episodes to be found in the age of the power shoulder forehead latex Romulans, but this is not one of them. Better not to have brought the character back at all.
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Mar 3, 2018 19:14
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Counterpoint: Klingon Opera. (My mother has that song as the ringtone for when I call.  )
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Mar 3, 2018 19:47
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Sash! posted:This almost exact plan did not work in the Clive Cussler Dad Airport Novel "Dragon," wherein Japanese built cars were secret nuclear weapon carriers hidden throughout the world. Wait this is real
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Sash! posted:This almost exact plan did not work in the Clive Cussler Dad Airport Novel "Dragon," wherein Japanese built cars were secret nuclear weapon carriers hidden throughout the world.
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Mar 3, 2018 21:51
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Insane Totoro posted:Wait this is real Don't worry, their plan was foiled by DIRK PITT. Publication date is 1990, so that's around when Americans were worried Japan was about to economically take over the world instead of fall into a decade-long funk.
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Mar 3, 2018 21:57
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Remember the time Tom Clancy wrote about a Japanese guy seeking revenge who then piloted an airliner into Congress? Oh those innocent days before 9/11
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Insane Totoro posted:Remember the time Tom Clancy wrote about a Japanese guy seeking revenge who then piloted an airliner into Congress? poo poo, I remember Clancy being interviewed about it the morning of.
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Mar 3, 2018 22:49
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The idea of "giant piece of metal with jet engines on could be dangerous" is so obvious and boring in comparison to some of the crazier poo poo rightwing nuts could write up. Not to mention slightly more realistic. Aside from poo poo like " Iranian manages to infiltrate the Republican Guard of Iraq, murder Saddam and then Iraq just folds like wet tissue paper to Iran who could totally occupy them without issue" that appears later in that book or series, as I recall.
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Insane Totoro posted:Remember the time Tom Clancy wrote about a Japanese guy seeking revenge who then piloted an airliner into Congress? To be fair, he was suicidal over some of his family dying during the second US-Japan war in the 90s instead of just kamikaze dude.
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Also, for bonus points, Cussler's Valhalla Rising involves an LPG tanker almost being rammed into Lower Manhattan.
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Mar 4, 2018 04:11
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David Ogden Stiers died  I’ve always thought Half a Life was an underrated episode https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JVB6bIchRjI
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evilmiera posted:The idea of "giant piece of metal with jet engines on could be dangerous" is so obvious and boring in comparison to some of the crazier poo poo rightwing nuts could write up. Not to mention slightly more realistic. Aside from poo poo like " Iranian manages to infiltrate the Republican Guard of Iraq, murder Saddam and then Iraq just folds like wet tissue paper to Iran who could totally occupy them without issue" that appears later in that book or series, as I recall. This is actually a good point when you get down to it. Pre 9/11 Tom Clancy seems quite sane given the context.
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Insane Totoro posted:This is actually a good point when you get down to it. Tom Clancy's brain kinda broke with the end of the Soviet Union, I think. He had a good handle on the Soviet Union as antagonists and sometimes reluctant allies. After the Soviet Union dissolved, I think he kept looking for a replacement and never quite found one.
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Insane Totoro posted:Remember the time Tom Clancy wrote about a Japanese guy seeking revenge who then piloted an airliner into Congress? The Running Man novel ends with the main character ramming his plane into a massive skyscraper.
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Big Mean Jerk posted:David Ogden Stiers died And yes, that was a great episode. Maybe the best Lwaxana ep
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The Bloop posted:
In TNG yeah but not if you're counting DS9. Odo/Lwaxana forever ship.
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DrNutt posted:In TNG yeah but not if you're counting DS9. Odo/Lwaxana forever ship. 
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DrNutt posted:In TNG yeah but not if you're counting DS9. Odo/Lwaxana forever ship. I can't argue with that. And for the record, all Lwaxana episodes are good so I'm not damning with faint praise. The one that sucks is because of Alexander, not her. She's still great. THE HIGHER, THE FEWER
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Mar 4, 2018 14:27
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Rip Bilby Poor O'Brien
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Cythereal posted:Tom Clancy's brain kinda broke with the end of the Soviet Union, I think. He had a good handle on the Soviet Union as antagonists and sometimes reluctant allies. After the Soviet Union dissolved, I think he kept looking for a replacement and never quite found one. This. He also stopped writing technothrillers and moved to sci-fi, action and video game scripts.
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TheCenturion posted:This. He also stopped writing technothrillers and moved to sci-fi, action and video game scripts. Yeah. Rainbow Six was the only decent post-Soviet one he did and even then the villains were, lol.
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TheCenturion posted:This. He also stopped writing technothrillers and moved to sci-fi, action and video game scripts. I may be misremembering but I believe Teeth of the Tiger climaxes with the heroes and villains having a shootout and/or a chase between those little electric not-quite-golf-carts at a nuclear waste facility.
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Mar 4, 2018 16:01
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Why would a shape-shifter stop at one partner? Man shapeshifter Risa would get really freaky really fast.
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Arglebargle III posted:Why would a shape-shifter stop at one partner? The Great Kink
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Yay another Brannon Braga doesn't understand evolution episode. The Xindi homeworlds have 5 species that evolved intelligence, sounds good. If you get genetic samples from those species you'll find they're all from the same world because they're more closely related to each other than to other races that evolved on different planets, sounds good. They're also more closely related to each other than humans are to chimpanzees, more like the relationship between homo sapiens and homo neanderthalensis. Except...this Xindi is a primate with warm blood and skin, and this other one is a reptile with cold blood and scales...whaaaat 
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