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| Golf GTI / R / R32 |
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196 | 0.02% |
| Impreza WRX / STi |
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133 | 0.01% |
| Mazdaspeed 3 |
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92 | 0.01% |
| Veloster Turbo |
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20 | 0.00% |
| Focus ST |
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149 | 0.01% |
| Other Hot Hatch |
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230 | 0.02% |
| Elantra GT |
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1000001 | 99.92% |
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Warbird posted:I meant to ask, is there any weirdness with FWD vehicles I should know about? I’ve only ever had RWD before now. I think you've discovered most of it already.
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Mar 8, 2018 20:42
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If you hit the gas hard while going straight, you might experience lift off oversteer. It's the best part about sporty fwd cars. Hit the gas on a tight on ramp and you might experience understeer, the bad part of fwd cars. Besides that eh, it's just a (fun) car. Keep in mind that traction is going to be a trade off between turning grip and acceleration and you will be fine. Finally got a buy order for a FiST, the last two that I looked at used got sold out from under me while I got the check from the credit union. Seems stock besides an exhaust, and they already took the st badge off of it for max cop invisibility. Not a bad deal for 14.3k.
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Mar 8, 2018 20:48
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SeaGoatSupreme posted:If you hit the gas hard while going straight, you might experience lift off oversteer. You'll be invisible to everyone no matter what. I can't even count the number of times I've had someone pull out in front of me just a little too close. Way more than when I had my GTI.
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Mar 8, 2018 21:00
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SeaGoatSupreme posted:If you hit the gas hard while going straight, you might experience lift off oversteer. Wat. FWD is easy-mode, you don't end up going backwards into poo poo when you gently caress up.
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Mar 8, 2018 21:07
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Take your hand off the wheel and mash the gently caress out of the gas pedal. That's lift off oversteer and it's loving *hilarious* in a compact car. Terrifying when it's your first car that isn't a commuterbox and you don't think it should/could happen though.
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Mar 8, 2018 21:16
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That's torque steer, lift-off oversteer is when you push the car into a corner on throttle, then abruptly lift the throttle. You'll transfer the weight balance to the front of the car and let the back end get light and rotate, depending on how aggressive the car is set up.
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Mar 8, 2018 21:18
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Ya got me, don't listen to YouTube car reviews for the names of poo poo
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Mar 8, 2018 21:19
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You'll love the FiST then, most torque steer of anything I've driven 
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Mar 8, 2018 21:26
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Wasn’t aware of the “may try to kill you” factor. That’ll be an interesting change after the couch like experience that was the Jeep.
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Mar 8, 2018 21:28
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You'll be fine, a stock GTI is docile.
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Mar 8, 2018 21:29
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BlackMK4 posted:You'll love the FiST then, most torque steer of anything I've driven The ones I test drove had more torque steer than my incredibly shittily built b20vtec which both shocked and amazed me. After that I decided I needed one.
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Mar 8, 2018 21:34
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BlackMK4 posted:You'll love the FiST then, most torque steer of anything I've driven Try a first gen MS3 Anyway lift off oversteer is what you got on old Honda models like my second gen Integra and it’s exactly what it sounds like - lift off mid corner and the car will snap from under steering to over steering in the blink of an eye. Other old FWDs like the Peugeot 205 were also notorious for it but it isn’t something you’ll typically find in a modern car with standard suspension.
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Mar 8, 2018 21:49
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BlackMK4 posted:You'll love the FiST then, most torque steer of anything I've driven really? I barely notice even a twitch of the wheel even dropping it hard, nothing compared to the FoST anyways
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Mar 8, 2018 22:24
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The MS3 has some massive torque steer.
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Mar 8, 2018 22:29
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sneakyfrog posted:really? It's night and day compared to a GTI or CTR.
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Mar 8, 2018 22:39
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Warbird posted:I meant to ask, is there any weirdness with FWD vehicles I should know about? I’ve only ever had RWD before now. Basically what it comes down to is that FWD is safer not because it's more controllable but because when you lose control you're going to crash in roughly a straight line rather than spinning and possibly taking a tree/oncoming truck directly to the door.
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Mar 8, 2018 22:41
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Yesterday I was treated to the sight of a veteran salesman being simultaneously surprised and dismayed at his employer's markup on a Civic Type R. I think it may have been legit; dude suggested I wait a few months or look in Iowa.
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Mar 9, 2018 02:50
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I’d have to say the worst torque steer I’ve ever experienced was an SRT4, the Fiesta is pretty mild. Stock the Neon was bad to begin with, then my buddy dumped a bunch of money into it and it was awful until you just couldn’t do anything but get wheelspin in the first few gears.
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Mar 9, 2018 02:54
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I just went from a 1st-gen MS3 to a Fiesta ST and the lack of torque steer in comparison is wild.
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Mar 9, 2018 03:19
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Midjack posted:Yesterday I was treated to the sight of a veteran salesman being simultaneously surprised and dismayed at his employer's markup on a Civic Type R. I think it may have been legit; dude suggested I wait a few months or look in Iowa. Haha, yeah, that poo poo is retarded. I am biding my time until they come off lease.
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Mar 9, 2018 04:04
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On the subject of torque steer and suspension geometry-related phenomena, does anyone know where one might find the full suspension specs of a car? I’m thinking about wheel and tyre changes for my FiST and I want to either keep my scrub radius as close to stock as possible (or change it via going to a different offset wheel if that looks like it will be beneficial to do so).
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Mar 9, 2018 05:46
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All this talk of speed threes is making me want to cancel my buy on the fiesta. Or at least take one for a spin (directly into the barrier of an on ramp). Yall are some enabling jerks
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Mar 9, 2018 06:32
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SeaGoatSupreme posted:All this talk of speed threes is making me want to cancel my buy on the fiesta. I miss mine terribly and kinda wish I never sold it. Definitely the right choice though, it was still tidy so I got a good trade in deal on a boring new model 3 which I never have to worry about maintenance on.
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Mar 9, 2018 07:01
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The torque steer in my buddy's bone stock FoST is way worse than my "stage 2" FiST. Anyways I wanted to ask about winter tire setups. Is it normal for winter tires to be absolute dogshit on anything other than snow? I have Hercules Avalanche tires on my FiST and they get gently caress all grip on dry roads even when the temp is below 30 Fahrenheit. They are fantastic in the snow, but I think I'm just going to get all seasons for my winter setup next year. poo poo feels legit dangerous to drive on dry roads. Oh, and they make my car shake even when properly inflated. I dunno, maybe they are a bum set though.
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Mar 9, 2018 08:17
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Winters are good in snow and lower temps. But in the dry they aren't great for grip, usually. The treads are too big and blocky so they squirm a shitload.
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Mar 9, 2018 14:41
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You can get winter tires that are more of a compromise though. I have Blizzak LM001's on my RS and they drive great on pavement.
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Mar 9, 2018 14:44
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True. Blizzaks are a "performance winter" tire or some such. They're better for that. I just don't drive like a knob (as much) in the winter.
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Mar 9, 2018 14:48
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dissss posted:I miss mine terribly and kinda wish I never sold it. Same, I miss mine big time. Such an awesome car.
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Mar 9, 2018 15:04
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Holy crap my car is still being worked on. They're saying Tuesday now.
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Mar 9, 2018 15:46
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Rape Stink posted:Anyways I wanted to ask about winter tire setups. Is it normal for winter tires to be absolute dogshit on anything other than snow? I have Hercules Avalanche tires on my FiST and they get gently caress all grip on dry roads even when the temp is below 30 Fahrenheit. They are fantastic in the snow, but I think I'm just going to get all seasons for my winter setup next year. poo poo feels legit dangerous to drive on dry roads. Oh, and they make my car shake even when properly inflated. I dunno, maybe they are a bum set though. Winter tires will definitely be worse than summers in the dry, but shouldn't be much worse than a moderate all-season unless they get really warm. As noted performance winter tires are available which can handle more aggressive driving better at the cost of a bit of extreme snow/ice performance. My General Altimax Arctics handle well enough that I feel comfortable taking onramps at highway speed, but the Blizzak LMs were definitely a lot better (and carried a higher speed rating, the Generals are only rated to 100 where the Blizzaks were good up to 130). The Generals are worn out after this season and I'm thinking about going full crazy next winter with some Hakkapeliitta R3s.
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Mar 9, 2018 17:13
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KillHour posted:You can get winter tires that are more of a compromise though. I have Blizzak LM001's on my RS and they drive great on pavement. I have some Blizzak WS80s on my RS, and aside from some really bad road noise on damp pavement, they handle/grip great in dry and snow/slush. Which is more than I can say for the RS undertray. It's seriously made out of the same thing as the hatch cargo cover. As soon as it gets wet in the winter, it rips to shreds and packs snow up in it.  (My 8mm aluminum undertray arrived this week)
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Mar 9, 2018 17:19
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My 185/60/15 winters are squirmy, I can feel the sidewall flex during lane changes. You get used to it, but it’s not confidence inspiring for driving quick.
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Mar 9, 2018 20:19
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God I'm glad I don't have to deal with snow. It sounds like a major pain in the rear end.
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Mar 9, 2018 20:30
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BlackMK4 posted:You'll love the FiST then, most torque steer of anything I've driven here sits a man who never drove a 9-3 Viggen
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Mar 9, 2018 21:08
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Warbird posted:God I'm glad I don't have to deal with snow. It sounds like a major pain in the rear end. It's a lot of fun when you know what you're doing, especially when it's bad enough out to scare most of the lovely drivers off the road. I love plowing through snow and tossing the car around. One of the car blogs linked a video on FB the other day of someone just dancing a panel van Fiesta back and forth across an empty snow-covered highway, doing probably <15 MPH but certainly having a ton of fun. It's also one of the few times when you can drift in front of a cop and not even get a second glance because they're doing the same thing.
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Mar 9, 2018 22:45
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wolrah posted:It's a lot of fun when you know what you're doing, especially when it's bad enough out to scare most of the lovely drivers off the road. I love plowing through snow and tossing the car around. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5UssybCVjNg&t=510s
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Mar 9, 2018 23:01
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I can understand the appeal, but that would squarely fall into stark terror for me. Might be fun to try and learn to drift though. Another GTI flashed his lights at me as he passed. Is this what it’s like to have a Miata?
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Mar 9, 2018 23:06
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you are in the GTI club
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Mar 9, 2018 23:36
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Most other GTI owners completely ignore me. Maybe because they think I’m too ricey? The world may never know.
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Mar 9, 2018 23:43
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Etrips posted:Most other GTI owners completely ignore me. Maybe because they think I’m too ricey? The world may never know. how do you rice out a gti? i mean i have lit door sills in the fiesta so i guess im riced out as gently caress but really? big fart can on it or something?
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Mar 9, 2018 23:48
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