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quote:They hold an ardent wish to experience their "first time" together before their eternal rest...But they don't know how. Are you being deliberately obtuse
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FirstAidKite posted:Are you being deliberately obtuse
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Endorph posted:have you played the game I don't need to play the game to be able to read the description that the developers wrote themselves about the game's contents. You've gone back and forth like 3 times now trying to say how Schubalts is wrong and that that isn't what the game is about, and then saying that that is an aspect of the game but that it represents something else entirely and isn't what the developers explicitly say it is.
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Mar 15, 2018 11:06
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FirstAidKite posted:I don't need to play the game to be able to read the description that the developers wrote themselves about the game's contents.
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Mar 15, 2018 11:06
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You edited your post like 3 or 4 times from effectively saying "no it isn't" to "it is, but it's not important" to "it is there, but it isn't major" to "it is there, but it's actually representative of things much deeper than that"
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Mar 15, 2018 11:08
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because its a pretty complicated thing to discuss and its six in the morning?
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Mar 15, 2018 11:10
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Schubalts posted:Regarding Kindred Spirits, it's because people have convinced themselves that it's not hosed up. afaik most visual novels are more hosed up the simple absence of rape, gore & piss puts KS in the top percentile Hwurmp fucked around with this message at 11:13 on Mar 15, 2018 |
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Mar 15, 2018 11:10
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Endorph posted:because its a pretty complicated thing to discuss and its six in the morning? What's complicated about it? If he's wrong and there isn't a teacher/student thing and the teacher isn't some younger-than-she-looks type and the game is not about trying to create a bunch of lesbian couples to create a utopia of lesbians so that the ghosts can figure out how to do it (despite of this being explicitly what the game developers state) then explain why he's wrong instead of trying to change the topic when you're asked to explain your point.
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Mar 15, 2018 11:16
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FirstAidKite posted:What's complicated about it? The game is about the ghosts wanting to help a bunch of lesbian couples confess to each other and form actual relationships, something that they weren't able to experience in life. They also mention wanting to figure out how two women have sex. The vast majority of the game is spent on that first issue, with the player's perspective being shifted between a variety of characters navigating romantic situations with each other.The protagonist nudges the characters along in their relationships without really interfering directly. The protagonist also never forcibly pairs two people together. The romantic relationships were already developing before the protagonist got involved, and the ghosts only want them to get the courage to confess. The closest the ghosts get to any kind of spying or voyeuristic activity is telling the protagonist where people are at any given time, and seeing arguments. The protagonist specifically mentions that they could just hide somewhere where people might sneak off to have sex and the ghosts specifically reject that option as creepy and wrong. At the end of the game, they use the protagonist to figure out that second thing, with the protagonist and her partner's permission. If you have a problem with any of that, then that's a valid criticism, I was just disagreeing with the characterization of it as the 'driving force.'
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it is explicitly about lesbian schoolgirls tryna smash and there is a student/teacher thing I wouldn't call anyone unreasonable if that turned them off entirely but Kindred Spirits is actually pretty good, believe it or not Hwurmp fucked around with this message at 11:33 on Mar 15, 2018 |
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Mar 15, 2018 11:30
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I am absolutely the last person who is gonna throw shade on someone for liking a game or a character or anything that relates back to sex in either a minor, major, or otherwise unmentioned way. It's just that remember that the context of this whole conversation was "this one VN got removed from steam for sexualization of minors, yet steam didn't do anything about another VN with similar content that has been on sale for years now" so even arguing that it's a small part doesn't excuse it from being eligible for removal for the same reason, imo. e: I know you weren't trying to argue that it being a small part of the game gives it a free pass. I'm speaking generally here now about how Steam has poor rule enforcement due to their general refusal to hire some people to curate their store. double edit: actually I would definitely throw shade if someone was all "the sexual content in kindred spirits is good" because of minors but that's just because I've got a grievance about that kind of thing and how casually it feels like people treat sexualization of fictional minors. FirstAidKite fucked around with this message at 11:39 on Mar 15, 2018 |
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Mar 15, 2018 11:35
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Steam has hardcore porn RPGmaker games just sitting around with screenshots of titties so even by that metric bringing up Kindred Spirits of all games is a pretty odd choice. I guess since they're both about lesbians? It is kind of odd how focused this whole conversation is on the like, three yuri VNs that have hit steam as opposed to the 5 billion Sakura games about high schoolers. Not even accusing anyone here of that, it's just noticeable that this whole conversation 'started' with Kindred Spirits way back when that was first hitting steam and then ended with kiss for the petals getting blammed. And it does make you wonder what, exactly, the cut-off point is. Explicit sex? Does it have to be shown visually? Textually? Implied? Of course the real answer is that Steam has a monopoly so they can just delete whatever, whenever with no standards or consistency and no one can really do anything about it.
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Mar 15, 2018 11:41
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Kindred Spirits definitely had people going to bat for it before it even released. Source: me, seeing the dev's statements about it during development, bragging about how it was gonna be uncensored (though turns out this was just a marketing thing I guess so they could say the game is uncensored when they never made content that they thought needed censoring to begin with) and how it was all about creating a yuritopia and how it was about two ghosts that were trying to learn from other couples how to have sex. I know I came away from it with the impression that it was a porn game like kiss for the petals and there were plenty of people very defensive about kindred spirits who seemed completely in shock that anyone could possibly think the game was pornographic in nature.
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Mar 15, 2018 11:46
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Mangagamer's marketing of the game was fairly weird and then a bunch of game journos leaped at the chance to talk about hentai because they love doing that, which didn't help the problem. Of course the issue was also exacerbated by Steam's weird standards in the first place. It's a bit of a ten car pile-up.
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Mar 15, 2018 11:51
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Considering how little of it there is and how it's all pretty dang PG-13 about it, I can't imagine anyone actually played Kindred Spirit for the sex scenes instead of the gayness, good writing and interesting characters. But what do I know, the internet's a weird place.
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Anyways A Turd's Life quote:Ever wonder what happens to poop after you flush it down? A TURD'S LIFE focuses on the life of a brand new turd with challenging infinite 3D runner type of gameplay and difficult bosses with very dynamic gameplay! Jump, duck, dodge or shoot your way through enemies, obstacles and bosses! collect coins  
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Mar 15, 2018 12:38
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That's not even the first game on steam about playing as a piece of poo poo 
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e: wrong thread I think
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Mar 15, 2018 12:53
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They are, so why is this posted in this of all threads?
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Mar 15, 2018 12:54
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I don’t visit the actual subforum this often and assumed “Terrible Awful” referred to the thread rather than the games discussed within
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Mar 15, 2018 13:03
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Palpek posted:Anyways "Games ARE art." -Roger Ebert
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Mar 15, 2018 13:15
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The way the game starts is art though.
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It's probably a poo poo game in every meaning of the word, but at least there is a modicum of effort involved compared to some of the games in this thread.
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FirstAidKite posted:I am absolutely the last person who is gonna throw shade on someone for liking a game or a character or anything that relates back to sex in either a minor, major, or otherwise unmentioned way. Out of curiosity do you have this problem with R rated or even PG13 rated highschool romantic comedies where the characters gently caress? I'd say KS floats somewhere between those two ratings in terms of explicitness and it's probably a lot less titillating about it than a lot of the latter ones I've seen.
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Palpek posted:The way the game starts is art though. What, do you not stand four feet above the toilet to take a poo poo?
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only when I'm taking A Dump in the Dark
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Wamdoodle posted:"Games ARE art."  Or, for something cooler: The Cloaca Machine. 
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Stickman posted:
 the very close to copyright infringing logoThis is me as I go through GBS: May be  and  depending on your and your company's reaction to lifelike  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iSFe91XlwYQ&t=129s
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Palpek posted:Anyways This is....not the worst premise for an endless runner
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DisDisDis posted:Out of curiosity do you have this problem with R rated or even PG13 rated highschool romantic comedies where the characters gently caress? I'd say KS floats somewhere between those two ratings in terms of explicitness and it's probably a lot less titillating about it than a lot of the latter ones I've seen. Name some r rated or pg 13 romcoms that sexualize minors by showing nudity, specifically films that have done this and not either been called out for it or otherwise are treated as if it is completely normal to depict minors in a sexualized way without the film trying to use that to prove a point
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I don't keep up on highschool rom com critical theory so I can't tell you which ones have been called out or not but I wanna say most of them? Like, I haven't watched any of these in years so my memory's hazy but a lot of the pg13 ones had them banging down, the r ones moreso and more explicitly. nick and norah's infinite playlist had the loud rear end orgasm with the uhhh, audio visualizer thing onscreen in the music studio at the end? for some reason that movie is the only one of those I clearly remember I guess I thought that scene was really clever when I was 15. Anyway I think it's very normal for media about highschool to deal with sex when it's where most people have their formative sexual experiences. I've got my fair share of gripes with KS but I think it's really good how it portrays gay teens exploring their sexuality as totally normal and healthy and deals with societal homophobia without punishing the characters for having sex by murdering them with gaybasher lynchmobs or whatever. Personally I'd find media that pretended being gay in highschool was all handholding and blushing and maybe a chast peck on the cheek now and then if not extremely weird then at least totally unrelatable to my experience as a gay teen.
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Mar 16, 2018 07:54
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The Terrible Awful Gays Thread
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FirstAidKite posted:Name some r rated or pg 13 romcoms that sexualize minors by showing nudity, specifically films that have done this and not either been called out for it or otherwise are treated as if it is completely normal to depict minors in a sexualized way without the film trying to use that to prove a point
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RPATDO_LAMD posted:
It's an anime visual novel. That genre is, per definition, terrible.
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Fart of Presto posted:It's an anime visual novel. That genre is, per definition, terrible. 
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Endorph posted:wait when did we, as a society, decide that kindred spirits doesnt have a point I didn't say anything about kindred spirits, he asked about movies. I am relatively certain that there are not a lot of films that sexualize minors, specifically minors played by minors, without specifically trying to bring some kind of point up about it. Sure a movie about high schoolers might heavily imply sex, but a movie generally isn't going to cast minors and then ask the minors to go half-naked or anything. The things that come to mind where sexualization of a minor happened in a movie that was specifically trying to make a point about it are films like Hard Candy where it is about a minor specifically acting as bait in order to torture pedophiles and Let The Right One In/Let Me In which was also a film that touched upon, among other things, pedophilia. IMO, there is a difference between an adult playing the role of a minor and a minor playing the role of a minor. This isn't related to sexualizaiton, but this is why when Kick-rear end was coming out, there were many people who were offended by the fact that the character Hit-Girl had such a foul mouth while also being played by a child actor. e: meanwhile, as far as fictional characters go in media where the fictional characters are not portrayed by real people, I feel like the argument that "they're just fictional characters, it doesn't matter how old they are" just helps to normalize the idea that sexualized minors in media is an okay thing and not actually an issue. If someone likes a sexualized fictional minor then keep it to yourself or something because while, yes, it is true that it doesn't hurt anybody, talking about it outside of maybe a small group of peers in a way that acts as if it is completely normal is just going to normalize that kind of thought process. It results in people thinking that talking about how hot and sexy a fictional 15 year-old is isn't that strange because the 15 year-old is fake or the 15 year-old is just drawn that way and is actually an adult designed to look like a child. that bartending vn game is a good example of how some people are completely fine with the game despite one of its characters being a robot sex worker who specifically targets the pedophile market by being a child robot sex worker, while for others the presence of that character is enough that they wouldn't want to support the game because, while in the context of the game no child is being abused, the game's creator(s?) specifically created this character to be this way. FirstAidKite fucked around with this message at 13:23 on Mar 16, 2018 |
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FirstAidKite posted:IMO, there is a difference between an adult playing the role of a minor and a minor playing the role of a minor. This isn't related to sexualizaiton, but this is why when Kick-rear end was coming out, there were many people who were offended by the fact that the character Hit-Girl had such a foul mouth while also being played by a child actor. I can only imagine how people like that would react to seeing Monty Python's gig with children singing "every sperm is sacred".
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