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Also, I forget who I was playing with last night, but they were a level 25-30 Sienna with Unchained. They had a beam staff that must have had vent overheat on crit or something along those lines. They basically just beamed non-stop and were invincible. We had a Stormfiend spawn in a terrible spot, right on a small cliff, and 2 of us got knocked off instantly and 1 other got downed. Sienna was able to just stand there in the chaos fire and beam Stormfiend down without moving, healing, stopping the beam, basically just microwave for 60 seconds. An assassin rat came up and wouldn't pounce, presumably because the AI wouldn't enter the chaos fire. Every boss we ran into, including the end of level bosses, became completely trivial.
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As they are, the talents are boring. The last two are basically all the same, and the first couple are mediocre and dull for everyone (+5% attack speed! +5% movement speed!). I think Payday 2 is a worse game than this but their talent trees are a lot more interesting.
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'5% movement speed if all of your friends is dead' is the most hilariously useless. I agree the talent trees need significant work.
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Mar 19, 2018 16:59
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How many of you play on a difficulty thats not veteran
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Mar 19, 2018 17:01
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I feel like most people play on Champ.
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Drythe posted:How many of you play on a difficulty thats not veteran I've recently stepped into champion with beloved Kruber, and I've finally found all these infinite ammo teams everyone else seemed to be finding in veteran. Lumbering too and fro as the dwarf, elf, and witch kill everything is pretty frustrating. Guess I should bite the bullet and craft an infinite ammo blunderbus, but I'm still only at item level 148.
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Zephro posted:I wonder if temp health was added as a counterbalance to some attacks now damaging even through block? That was the only thing in the whole game that did though, unless I’m forgetting one of krench’s moves, and roger behaved more predictably so it was very reliably dodgeable There’s a whole lotta poo poo that will damage you through block now and some of it is not reasonable because those attacks advance the enemy toward you at the same time, like one of the troll’s attacks, so you can neither get out of range nor block the damage. In general a lot of the boss design feels incoherent because it assumes you have all the space in the world to maneuver and also aren’t getting ganged by two hordes and three specials at the same time. The protections from the first game that kept situations like that from coming up often are gone, and lunethex actually believes that bosses summon that poo poo which I 100% believe after what I’ve seen
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Mar 19, 2018 17:04
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Drythe posted:How many of you play on a difficulty thats not veteran Wait are you spamming emote/cry more responses or actually engaging people in conversation? Seems like you need to stick with one or the other.
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Internet Explorer posted:Blocking and dodging is something you learn over time and actually the Dwarf Iron Breaker teaches you bad habits because you can be way lazier. It's teaching me bad habits, for sure. I'm trying to get better at remembering to dodge. I feel like I've got it down on bosses and the like, but I still eat way too many heavy hits due to not dodging properly. I'm only still a Ranger Veteran but the Sword and Shield is letting me tank at a low level. I was playing Spear Elf and having fun but the tryhards were all "STOP DODGING AND BLOCK" so I think I am going to hate pub games.
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Unzip and Attack posted:Wait are you spamming emote/cry more responses or actually engaging people in conversation? Seems like you need to stick with one or the other. 
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Internet Explorer posted:The temp health definitely feels like a tacked-on afterthought. And the fact that all classes have the same set of talents at the same level really reinforced that for me. I hit 20 on my Dwarf, still playing Iron Breaker with the 1 hit absorption every 13 seconds, a 2h Hammer, and a "gain temp health on kill" and it's just made the game silly. I can play super sloppy and still fumble my way through, and I am by no definition "good." Drythe posted:How many of you play on a difficulty thats not veteran I think I preferred Vet between levels 10-15 and total hero power ~150-250ish to Champion. Ravenfood fucked around with this message at 17:12 on Mar 19, 2018 |
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tbh im kinda surprised vermintide 2 of all games attracts a lot of tryhard shitposters
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Started getting people demanding to know power level as soon as you join the game. It's gearscore all over again.
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toasterwarrior posted:tbh im kinda surprised vermintide 2 of all games attracts a lot of tryhard shitposters Sandwich Anarchist posted:Started getting people demanding to know power level as soon as you join the game. It's gearscore all over again. I'm glad 2 has blown up so much more for Fatshark, but yeah there's a lot more assholes around for now until they filter out to the next game.
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One of my recent games involved a 29 elf/30 pyro who wanted to kick a 9 BH Saltz out of a veteran Screaming Bell run. I voted no and cancelled the kick vote, went through the map pretty smoothly until the elf got stabbed to death by slaverats and lost the second grimoire right before the Rat Ogre fight due to lag. Saltz didn't even go down once, and I laughed about them trying to kick him when we finished.
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I only play with people on the Discord because I'm terrible at this game and y'all seem remarkably tolerant of that.
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Digirat posted:That was the only thing in the whole game that did though, unless I’m forgetting one of krench’s moves, and roger behaved more predictably so it was very reliably dodgeable roger himself i find easier to dodge simply because he generally no longer walks up into your face to do a punch - if he needs to move toward you and attack, he uses his 3-hit smashing attack, which is blockable. if you never stop moving he'll never QUITE have the range to hit you with his ground pound, which differs from the first game since you had to time your back dodge correctly to not get hit with the shockwave there. trollface, though, damage is going to be unavoidable for SOMEONE. it isn't just his axe attacks, ALL his attacks as nearly as i can tell will do damage through a guard. his unarmed attack, both of his axe attacks, his puke also does it obviously. i still guard out of habit and because i'm hopeful it stops SOME of the damage, but trollface will definitely throw damage through a guard no problem whatsoever. roger also summoned hordes in VT1, though there was some random chance involved. actually, our discovery of that brick of code was how we figured out that fatshark agreed with our nickname for him, because there was an 85/15 split chance for a 'roger_and_friends' event where roger would summon a horde on a short delay, or 'lonelyroger' where he would show up alone. this was a large part of the reason why punking him was so important in the first game, and that at least hasn't changed to a large extent.
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Digirat posted:That was the only thing in the whole game that did though, unless I’m forgetting one of krench’s moves, and roger behaved more predictably so it was very reliably dodgeable Yeah, the Chaos Spawn in particular wants you to be able to dodge a certain attack, because not only do you get hurt you heal the boss if it hits. But good luck if it's got a bunch of big axe guys and green tornadoes around!
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wow the game is a heck of a lot more fun than the thread
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i have a now lvl 20 pyro and i just now discovered what venting overcharge means lol...
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Coolguye posted:roger himself i find easier to dodge simply because he generally no longer walks up into your face to do a punch - if he needs to move toward you and attack, he uses his 3-hit smashing attack, which is blockable. if you never stop moving he'll never QUITE have the range to hit you with his ground pound, which differs from the first game since you had to time your back dodge correctly to not get hit with the shockwave there. My beef with new roger compared to old roger is he can now do the unblockable attack while doing a 180 to instantly slam someone who was hitting him in the back for half their health bar. Every boss except for the stormfiend has at least one thing that is just off You’re not wrong about the roger horde but that would always be slave rats by my memory, while the most common encounter by far would just include a handful of clan rats, and specials seemed barred from spawning under normal circumstances. Even with all those concessions compared to this game I still think the options to kill roger in 5 seconds were a necessary evil because even a horde of slave rats in the wrong place could be pretty crazy on top of roger. Now those options are either gone or far less available, most bosses are a serious threat to every player (not even the one they’re targeting) when completely alone, and they can either summon or coincide with a completely unreasonable pile of other poo poo that turns them into pretty much the single biggest middle finger you can get right now and you can get two of them through RNG in a level, which was only ever possible in vermintide 1 through a long-fixed bug
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I am not as young as I used to and don't play a ton, but you guys make me a bit self-conscious. I'm still in Veteran, haven't played all of the maps yet, only have tome / grim locations memorized on 3-4 maps, and don't exactly effortlessly dance through everything. If the posts in this thread are to be believed, anything short of champion is a waste of time for drooling children.
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rap music posted:wow the game is a heck of a lot more fun than the thread ur rite wtb elf crew gangtag Backhand posted:I am not as young as I used to and don't play a ton, but you guys make me a bit self-conscious. I'm still in Veteran, haven't played all of the maps yet, only have tome / grim locations memorized on 3-4 maps, and don't exactly effortlessly dance through everything. If the posts in this thread are to be believed, anything short of champion is a waste of time for drooling children. Nah, they're just the most vocal posters because they're the ones who've played enough to get some solid game knowledge Personally, I only just dipped into vet with HP like 130 
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Talents could be a ton more fun. Give me a damage buff which makes me unable to block as slayer. Dumb stuff like that.
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rap music posted:wow the game is a heck of a lot more fun than the thread because the thread spends more time whining than playing
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Backhand posted:I am not as young as I used to and don't play a ton, but you guys make me a bit self-conscious. I'm still in Veteran, haven't played all of the maps yet, only have tome / grim locations memorized on 3-4 maps, and don't exactly effortlessly dance through everything. If the posts in this thread are to be believed, anything short of champion is a waste of time for drooling children. Nah, don't worry about it. In my case, I don't plan on playing Champion without a reliable crew, so I just pub veteran. It's why I want nerfs to the super strong ranged classes and options: I'd like veteran games to be consistently challenging, and the way things are now, the only way I see most high-level elf and pyro players losing vet games is the AI director going Skynet or them getting complacent.
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Digirat posted:My beef with new roger compared to old roger is he can now do the unblockable attack while doing a 180 to instantly slam someone who was hitting him in the back for half their health bar. Every boss except for the stormfiend has at least one thing that is just off Drythe posted:because the thread spends more time whining than playing having seen how much many of the thread regulars play this game, megalol @ this
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toasterwarrior posted:tbh im kinda surprised vermintide 2 of all games attracts a lot of tryhard shitposters It's either twitch streamers or tryhard shitposters. I mean, it's a game where you have dudes with axes run at you with them in the air like they are a child with a new toy. It's hard to take this poo poo seriously.
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Look I'm trying to get on the MLG circuit for this game, I have to tryhard
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i enjoy pretending to be elf that's really good at slaughtering countless enemies in battle sorry if that makes me a piece of poo poo
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Backhand posted:I am not as young as I used to and don't play a ton, but you guys make me a bit self-conscious. I'm still in Veteran, haven't played all of the maps yet, only have tome / grim locations memorized on 3-4 maps, and don't exactly effortlessly dance through everything. If the posts in this thread are to be believed, anything short of champion is a waste of time for drooling children. Started playing Champion last night and it doesn't even seem that much harder, though maybe it just seems that way due to the fact that your teammates are usually competent. Play on whichever difficulty level you find the most fun, ignore the 1337 gamerz
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 Phlegmish posted:Play on whichever difficulty level you find the most fun, ignore the 1337 gamerz Yep, people trying to turn this into vidya dickwaving are missing the point of the game.
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All of my characters are at least level 12, but I'm stuck in recruit, because more of my friends keep getting this game and I want to play with them.
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Coolguye posted:yeah that's fair, if my memory serves me correctly (which it might not on this point) this was a problem for a while in VT1 as well. it's kind of surprising to see how many VT1 problems have come back in the opening act of VT2. part of the situation is that it is utterly impossible to discern intent from accident with fatshark I have absolutely no idea what is working as intended here and what is not
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poe meater posted:What gun do people use for the bounty hunter? I'm not sure how to use bounty hunter and feel like the tagging was maybe better? I dunno I'm only lvl 9.
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Drythe posted:because the thread spends more time whining than playing Drythe posted:How many of you play on a difficulty thats not veteran  The real answer is play what you want to play and don't let anyone convince you otherwise. Veteran is great for chopping through hordes without having to be too concerned about where everyone is all the time but Champion is great when you get some better gear and are looking for a challenge. I've probably stayed in veteran for longer than most but I've been helping friends gear up along the way so it's been alright.
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personally i will be asking for consent from the rest of the party before killing ANY mobs going forward i encourage any other elves to be respectful and do the same
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rap music posted:personally i will be asking for consent from the rest of the party before killing ANY mobs going forward Aww! Don't feel bad! It's not your fault that you're not fun to play games with.
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daily reminder that this is a friendly coop with friends friend game that happens to have a server browser simply to make it more general playable, but it's still to go on a bender with you and three of your mates no thread nor pubbie nor even discord will sully that design point also post better ya'll drat
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Playing as Iron Bardin with double drakefire pistols is rad as gently caress and has so far been my favorite ranged weapon. You're like a tiny Sienna. It also frees up pretty much all the ammo drops for Satlz, Kruger and Kerillian. Speaking of Drakefire, the flamethrower seems kind of...underpowered? Fire damage over time seems kind of weak, even against hordes of slave rats.
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