|
In fairness, Black Panther is exceptional in getting liberals ITT to argue antiracism is white genocide. Like literally half the thread is people saying we need a ‘moderated antiracism’ in the form of multiculturalism lest M. B. Jordan kill all the white babies. What makes it unexceptional is that, in both form and content, the film argues that only certain respectable black millionaire-celebrities can be trusted with empowerment. So we’re left with an explicitly racialized variation on trickle-down economics.
|
#
?
Mar 31, 2018 21:24
|
|
|
|
| # ? Apr 26, 2024 15:05 |
|
|
On top of that, Wakanda should reveal itself and intervene for the practical purpose of self-preservation, lest another black radical be born who threatens their way of life. Any position to the left of liberals are painted as bloodthirsty for Trump's head, when that's clearly a projected desire. Thanks for the recommendation for "Born in Flames", it sounds amazing.
|
|
#
?
Apr 1, 2018 00:26
|
|
|
SuperMechagodzilla posted:In fairness, Black Panther is exceptional in getting liberals ITT to argue antiracism is white genocide. Like literally half the thread is people saying we need a ‘moderated antiracism’ in the form of multiculturalism lest M. B. Jordan kill all the white babies.  For real.
|
|
#
?
Apr 1, 2018 00:32
|
|
|
Long live the king.
|
|
#
?
Apr 1, 2018 00:38
|
|
|
black panther is a useful tool to get people who value disliking the mcu more than supporting black filmmakers to out themselves, as seen in pages 2-51 of the black panther thread. there is zero justfiable arguments.
|
|
#
?
Apr 1, 2018 02:43
|
|
|
Farg posted:black panther is a useful tool to get people who value disliking the mcu more than supporting black filmmakers to out themselves, as seen in pages 2-51 of the black panther thread. there is zero justfiable arguments. definitely not racist to imply that black filmmakers should be coddled by not critically discussing and judging their films the way we're allowed to do about white filmmakers
|
|
#
?
Apr 1, 2018 02:58
|
|
|
KVeezy3 posted:On top of that, Wakanda should reveal itself and intervene for the practical purpose of self-preservation, lest another black radical be born who threatens their way of life. Any position to the left of liberals are painted as bloodthirsty for Trump's head, when that's clearly a projected desire. It's not exactly amazing, but it's legit as gently caress. Working Girls and Erotique are better but not as hardcore
|
|
#
?
Apr 1, 2018 02:59
|
|
|
Brother Entropy posted:definitely not racist to imply that black filmmakers should be coddled by not critically discussing and judging their films the way we're allowed to do about white filmmakers Like I said, anything coming back in response is baseless, and is just writhing around in its own hypocrisy
|
|
#
?
Apr 1, 2018 03:03
|
|
|
Farg posted:Like I said, anything coming back in response is baseless, and is just writhing around in its own hypocrisy Including your posts. Woof. Imagine being so fragilely tied to your choice of franchise, you'll throw racism at any criticism to stifle it.
|
|
#
?
Apr 1, 2018 03:58
|
|
|
Farg posted:Like I said, anything coming back in response is baseless, and is just writhing around in its own hypocrisy The contortions you've gone through to avoid discussing the film are very impressive: a discussion about non-discussion for black blockbuster directors. DeimosRising posted:It's not exactly amazing, but it's legit as gently caress. Working Girls and Erotique are better but not as hardcore Thanks, I'll keep these in mind. KVeezy3 fucked around with this message at 04:28 on Apr 1, 2018 |
|
#
?
Apr 1, 2018 04:06
|
|
|
Farg posted:black panther is a useful tool to get people who value disliking the mcu more than supporting black filmmakers to out themselves, as seen in pages 2-51 of the black panther thread. there is zero justfiable arguments. Congrats. This is the worst and dumbest conceivable take. Supporting black film makers by praising them for making bland, forgettable but adequate films is not...anything that should be encouraged.
|
|
#
?
Apr 1, 2018 04:35
|
|
|
SuperMechagodzilla posted:Exceptional movies typically don't make a billion dollars.
|
|
#
?
Apr 1, 2018 05:37
|
|
|
Snowman_McK posted:Congrats. This is the worst and dumbest conceivable take. i feel that the incredible success and hope a movie like Black Panther brings will mean that it will certainly not be being forgotten soon. I am also certainly not avoiding talking about the movie, as I discuss Black Panther in the Black Panther thread. Its telling that movies like Phantom Thread (PT) or the Shape of Water are not included in discussions like these (gee i wonder why)
|
|
#
?
Apr 1, 2018 05:46
|
|
|
Farg posted:i feel that the incredible success and hope a movie like Black Panther brings will mean that it will certainly not be being forgotten soon. I am also certainly not avoiding talking about the movie, as I discuss Black Panther in the Black Panther thread. What the gently caress point are you even groping towards? Discussions like what?
|
|
#
?
Apr 1, 2018 06:26
|
|
|
Snowman_McK posted:What the gently caress point are you even groping towards? Discussions like what? perhaps im letting it get away from me, if so my fault. i think i could better state the point i'm trying to make, my pov on it if i could clearly understand where you/ya'll stand?
|
|
#
?
Apr 1, 2018 06:33
|
|
|
Snowman_McK posted:What the gently caress point are you even groping towards? Discussions like what? Black Panther is a big deal regardless what CineD thinks of it I believe is what the point is.
|
|
#
?
Apr 1, 2018 07:01
|
|
|
"CineD" (who exactly?) has not been denying that Black Panther is a big deal. The discussion has in fact centred around how this reactionary blockbuster movie is something of a big deal. e: Farg posted:black panther is a useful tool to get people who value disliking the mcu more than supporting black filmmakers to out themselves, as seen in pages 2-51 of the black panther thread. there is zero justfiable arguments. Obama is a useful tool to get people who value disliking liberalism more than supporting black politicians to out themselves... there is zero justfiable arguments. BravestOfTheLamps fucked around with this message at 07:08 on Apr 1, 2018 |
|
#
?
Apr 1, 2018 07:06
|
|
|
Snowman_McK posted:Supporting black film makers by praising them for making bland, forgettable but adequate films is not...anything that should be encouraged.  VvV Fair. I'll qualify that with "Tyler Perry's Medeaverse movies" FilthyImp fucked around with this message at 07:30 on Apr 1, 2018 |
|
#
?
Apr 1, 2018 07:24
|
|
|
you can call tyler perry a lot of things but you lose me at 'forgettable'
|
|
#
?
Apr 1, 2018 07:26
|
|
|
Maybe more 'regrettable' I'm not sure if the usual mockeries I've seen on them have taken this angle, but iirc basically the only reason Tyler Perry has an audience is because he's one of the only filmmakers to acknowledge that black middle-class people exist. (though post-2008 I figure they're an endangered species. Again.)
|
|
#
?
Apr 1, 2018 08:38
|
|
|
Didn't you hear? What black people have been missing is hope and Black Panther's success in the market is giving them that.
|
|
#
?
Apr 1, 2018 08:50
|
|
|
It is possible to praise the metapolitical elements of Black Panther's success wrt representation of black talent both in front of and behind the camera, while simultaneously being critical of the political elements of the film as a text.
|
|
#
?
Apr 1, 2018 09:06
|
|
|
BravestOfTheLamps posted:Obama is a useful tool to get people who value disliking liberalism more than supporting black politicians to out themselves... there is zero justfiable arguments. Look, I know you people believe Obama is a Muslim and an African, but that doesn't mean he's a Black Panther.
|
|
#
?
Apr 1, 2018 09:53
|
|
|
Supercar Gautier posted:It is possible to praise the metapolitical elements of Black Panther's success wrt representation of black talent both in front of and behind the camera, while simultaneously being critical of the political elements of the film as a text. This exactly. I'm happy that black panther exists and what it means to people, but it really falls short in that it is very timid in its criticism against whitey.
|
|
#
?
Apr 1, 2018 12:46
|
|
|
I think it's very pointedly not centered on white people. This seems to be the aspect people have the most trouble coming to grips with.
|
|
#
?
Apr 1, 2018 13:35
|
|
|
sean10mm posted:This seems to be the aspect people have the most trouble coming to grips with. How so? The movie is explicitly concerned with white supremacy, and by extension "white people". And it's already been established that white people love the movie, so it's hardly a problem for them. BravestOfTheLamps fucked around with this message at 14:19 on Apr 1, 2018 |
|
#
?
Apr 1, 2018 14:17
|
|
|
sean10mm posted:I think it's very pointedly not centered on white people. It's not centered on white people, but it sure puts the consequences of their behavior front and center.
|
|
#
?
Apr 1, 2018 14:29
|
|
|
And then blames black people for not picking up the pieces. Exceptional? Or just another Hollywood film. Check out The color purple for a better take on this theme.
|
|
#
?
Apr 1, 2018 16:16
|
|
|
CelticPredator posted:Black Panther is a big deal regardless what CineD thinks of it I believe is what the point is. But only us blacks hold it in high regard and continued patronage so it doesn’t matter.
|
|
#
?
Apr 1, 2018 17:16
|
|
|
I’m saying Black Panther is a great film with a flawed political message but nevertheless is extremely important to black peoples world wide and will not be forgotten or dismissed overtime as another super hero schlock. If you disagree then you are racist. Hyperbole. But not really. gohmak fucked around with this message at 17:27 on Apr 1, 2018 |
|
#
?
Apr 1, 2018 17:22
|
|
|
It's nice that we have someone ITT to speak for all blacks. Very comforting.
|
|
#
?
Apr 1, 2018 17:45
|
|
|
gohmak posted:I’m saying Black Panther is a great film with a flawed political message but nevertheless is extremely important to black peoples world wide and will not be forgotten or dismissed overtime as another super hero schlock. If you disagree then you are racist. We already know your point, and the point of trumpeting Disney’s “exceptional” profit, is to claim that this is the first ‘good’ black film ever made - and that Coogler is the first ‘good’ black director, Tchalla the first ‘good’ black hero, etc. This good is defined exclusively in terms of popularity-profitability - cross-demographic appeal, etc. Your implicit point is that Black Panther will not be forgotten by whites, because it is profitable for whites. Of course there are other black heroes, films, directors... but whites don’t like those. They weren’t good enough. They weren’t popular-profitable enough. Timeless Appeal posted:The characters in Born in Flames aren't authoritarians. Killmonger is. That’s not what ‘authoritarianism’ means. SuperMechagodzilla fucked around with this message at 18:13 on Apr 1, 2018 |
|
#
?
Apr 1, 2018 18:08
|
|
|
gohmak posted:If you disagree then you are racist. You're wrong, but do you.
|
|
#
?
Apr 1, 2018 18:17
|
|
|
The same thing happened in the Wonder Woman thread. Some dude was saying that Wonder Woman was the first successful female superhero movie, and it’s sexist not to praise it. It turned out that Wonder Woman was actually just the first such movie that ever appealed to him, it was the only one that he personally cared about; and so he was profoundly ignorant of indifferent to the long history of female directors and female heroes in cinema.
|
|
#
?
Apr 1, 2018 18:32
|
|
|
It's only natural at our current stage of society to perceive commodification as the definitive form of art's value. As I refresh boxofficemojo.com, I can feel Black Panther becoming more exceptional and society becoming more and more free.
|
|
#
?
Apr 1, 2018 18:45
|
|
|
gohmak posted:But only us blacks hold it in high regard and continued patronage so it doesn’t matter. It’s pretty well liked across the board though? 
|
|
#
?
Apr 1, 2018 19:11
|
|
|
CelticPredator posted:It’s pretty well liked across the board though? Surely you can imagine lots of pop media this applies to.
|
|
#
?
Apr 1, 2018 19:54
|
|
|
I’m saying blank man is a great film with a flawed political message but nevertheless is extremely important to black peoples world wide and will not be forgotten or dismissed overtime as another super hero schlock. If you disagree then you are racist. Hyperbole. But not really.
|
|
#
?
Apr 1, 2018 20:08
|
|
|
There's no argument to be had, that's just true.
|
|
#
?
Apr 1, 2018 20:09
|
|
|
|
| # ? Apr 26, 2024 15:05 |
|
|
SuperMechagodzilla posted:Of course there are other black heroes, films, directors... but whites don’t like those. They weren’t good enough. They weren’t popular-profitable enough. BP is unapologetically Afrocentric in a way that hasn't been seen or attempted in popular media to this scale. The crossover success is validation because of normalizing effects, and the financial success rebuts the talking point that those films aren't of value to a film company. But the inclination to deligitimize the importance of the film or reduce the achievement of the director is dishearenting. Linda Rondstat's 'Canciones de mi Padre' wasnt hailed by a generation of Mexican Americans because of its technical innovation, but because it created cultural validity. There's also an uncomfortable subtext where the director created something of significance, but because it was genre work it is somehow a less valid achievement
|
|
#
?
Apr 1, 2018 20:27
|
|