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toasterwarrior
Nov 11, 2011

SunAndSpring posted:

Any ability with an AoE component will tag a friendly if they're in the zone. Bardin is notable in that every single one of his abilities has friendly fire on it, even Slayer jump.

Skypie posted:

Kruber's shout for Mercenary does friendly fire. It's 0 damage but will trigger Gromril Armor so lol

Man this explains why I'd hear friendlies bitching at me for yelling heals at them. Ungrateful fuckers!

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Scandalous
Jul 16, 2009
Is there a point at which Champion/Legend chests will guarantee only 300 power items? I’ve been getting 300s for a few days but there’s still the odd 295~ which grates my gears when it’s the only exotic out of the box. It’s an imperceptible difference I know but my uneven-numbered hero powerrrr

toasterwarrior
Nov 11, 2011

Scandalous posted:

Is there a point at which Champion/Legend chests will guarantee only 300 power items? I’ve been getting 300s for a few days but there’s still the odd 295~ which grates my gears when it’s the only exotic out of the box. It’s an imperceptible difference I know but my uneven-numbered hero powerrrr

By the item drop logic we know of, even once you hit 300 on your drops, you still have a range of 290-300 to roll on since it's -10/+10 (but the + definitely doesn't feel like 10). Them's the breaks, but IMO might as well spend your scrap on getting level 300 items and upgrading them the hard way since what else are you going to spend scrap on?

forest spirit
Apr 6, 2009

Frigate Hetman Sahaidachny
First to Fight Scuttle, First to Fall Sink


I haven't played in like 3 weeks, did they say they were going to tune the skating chaos guys? I'm fine with them coming at that speed, I just want clearer visual communication that the guy taking one step forward and raising his axe is now equipped with Heelies©

Ignite Memories
Feb 27, 2005

toasterwarrior posted:

By the item drop logic we know of, even once you hit 300 on your drops, you still have a range of 290-300 to roll on since it's -10/+10 (but the + definitely doesn't feel like 10). Them's the breaks, but IMO might as well spend your scrap on getting level 300 items and upgrading them the hard way since what else are you going to spend scrap on?

btw this is dumb

Arashiofordo3
Nov 5, 2010

Warning, Internet
may prove lethal.
I really hope they introduce throwing axes for the Slayer. Given that back when they had an army their specialised war machine just threw axes at people, and all of their ranged troops threw axes. It might help mitigate Slayers biggest weakness. Anything that he can't reach is impossible to deal with. Having to wait for the Globader to wander down in range of you is a huge hassle.

Vargs
Mar 27, 2010

I haven't really found the Slayer's lack of range to be that huge of a deal. The CC specials are very dodge-able, and with the current meta you are almost guaranteed to have 3 other people dedicated to ranged.

Arashiofordo3
Nov 5, 2010

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may prove lethal.

Vargs posted:

I haven't really found the Slayer's lack of range to be that huge of a deal. The CC specials are very dodge-able, and with the current meta you are almost guaranteed to have 3 other people dedicated to ranged.

That is relying on them to be somewhat competent. The number of times I've turned around and all three of the pubbies (yeah I know, my fault for playing with pubbies) I've been quick playing with have gone down simultaneously to a gas bomb... well, I don't have enough fingers to cover it. Slayer is great, and cleaving through armour like it's nothing is satisfying as hell. But I desperately want to giggle in glee as I huck a axe into a skaven's face from out of nowhere before I leap through the air like a majestic ginger pigeon and start swinging.

Phlegmish
Jul 2, 2011



Yeah, there have been games where I was the designated special killer as Ironbreaker, simply because the others apparently couldn't be bothered. But at that point, your group just sucks and it's probably not limited to that one aspect.

Skypie
Sep 28, 2008

Phlegmish posted:

Yeah, there have been games where I was the designated special killer as Ironbreaker, simply because the others apparently couldn't be bothered. But at that point, your group just sucks and it's probably not limited to that one aspect.

If there's an Ironbreaker with an axe/shield in my group, I usually toss on halberd and handgun as Kruber. Lets me help out chewing up armor targets and I can reliably obliterate specials from a good distance

Agent355
Jul 26, 2011


It is consistently impressive to me how much 'I would do X but then I'd have to rely on my team' comes up in this thread. I hate pubbies in literally all the games but relying on them to be at least half-competent is pretty unavoidable in this game and it seems like your just hamstringing yourself if you refuse to.

Arashiofordo3
Nov 5, 2010

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I tend to go Axe/flame pistols. It seems to work wonderfully. Those flame pistols are surprisingly accurate at times.

toasterwarrior
Nov 11, 2011
It's not the "pubbies suck and you gotta do the job yourself" thing to me, it's that the role of a "hard counter" to major threats in VT2 generally cannot be fulfilled by a single dude. When you have multiple Chaos Warriors, Chaos Maulers, and shield Marauders coming at you, finding yourself in the position of "well let the 2H hammer/axe dude handle it" is a bad fuckin' deal. Multiple, powerful, special snipers are a necessity in Champion since the fuckers come at you in multiples; the same concept applies to can-openers. Just so happens that the best weapons are those that can do that, as well as some horde-clearing on the side or vice versa.

Hence my trepidation about 2H swords: bless them for being great for horde clear, but god help you if shields/armor are in a horde.

toasterwarrior fucked around with this message at 17:03 on Apr 1, 2018

Slow News Day
Jul 4, 2007

I got an orange halberd with “slayer” on it. It’s amazing, especially when it stacks with Paced Strikes.

It’s only HP 175 though. I’m assuming there isn’t a way to upgrade its HP...

Dr. Fishopolis
Aug 31, 2004

ROBOT
i been clicking this poo poo for half an hour nothing's happening

toasterwarrior
Nov 11, 2011
Hell yeah, made it to 300HP drops after 148 hours. This game is...good.

Also whoever said that there's still breakpoints for Halberd damage at around 600HP is right. Comparing 592HP vs 599HP, a Halberd light sweep bodyshot gets 1400 vs 1650 damage, which is hilariously huge. I can only hope the dummy is skewing the results a tad bit much.

Madcosby
Mar 4, 2003

by FactsAreUseless
Am I supposed to learn to block chaos warrior punches or are those attacks essentially mandatory to eat

Xaris
Jul 25, 2006

Lucky there's a family guy
Lucky there's a man who positively can do
All the things that make us
Laugh and cry

AggressivelyStupid posted:

Arghy use a grudgeraker, get scrounger on it and butt stroke for ammo when you need it

I’ve been running with that the past few days on Champ, I like it but Scrounget seems bugged and it takes upward of 25+ butts to get it to crit for ammo back, the nice thing when it crits it does crit multiple so you get upwards of like +6 but I can’t seem to reliably get it crit

And this is running 5/4 Crit Chance items

Xaris fucked around with this message at 18:10 on Apr 1, 2018

Phlegmish
Jul 2, 2011



Dr. Fishopolis posted:

i been clicking this poo poo for half an hour nothing's happening





https://www.reddit.com/r/Vermintide/comments/84xdoz/devs_please_take_notice/

e: wow yours is actually from Fatshark itself

Phlegmish fucked around with this message at 18:21 on Apr 1, 2018

Sykic
Feb 9, 2004

Resist! Humanity demands it! Resist!
https://i.imgur.com/2VuKrHb.gifv

Clever, rat man. Very clever.

Zaffy
Sep 15, 2003


Sykic posted:



Clever, rat man. Very clever.

They're evolving

Magitek
Feb 20, 2008

That's not jolly.
That's not jolly at all!

Sykic posted:

Clever, rat man. Very clever.

Dang. I've seen that invisibility bug with Leeches before, but never Runners

Magitek fucked around with this message at 19:11 on Apr 1, 2018

AggressivelyStupid
Jan 9, 2012

Xaris posted:

I’ve been running with that the past few days on Champ, I like it but Scrounget seems bugged and it takes upward of 25+ butts to get it to crit for ammo back, the nice thing when it crits it does crit multiple so you get upwards of like +6 but I can’t seem to reliably get it crit

And this is running 5/4 Crit Chance items

on champ you can just wade into the horde spamming the buttstroke and you'll be fine, you should be oneshotting slave rats and you cant get ammo from dead bodies

Phlegmish
Jul 2, 2011



Arghy
Nov 15, 2012

AggressivelyStupid posted:

Arghy use a grudgeraker, get scrounger on it and butt stroke for ammo when you need it

Nah the grudgeraker is a FF machine and its not like oh i just scratched you its oh poo poo i just gibbed the wizard. My hope is they give the ranger the BH treatment so bardin players can use their ranged weapons.

Tried the slayer on a champion run with the beta build, its totally manageable especially with the 1h hammer but i actually did less damage/kills than my normal IB runs which blows my mind. The problem is you need to be careful with positioning and constantly move around while the IB with a shield just wades into the biggest concentration of enemies push attacking. During a boss the slayer has a ton of potential unless the boss aggros you then not only is all that potential DPS wasted you have to struggle to survive. Now that the boss taunt is working the IB is amazing during a boss fight because you can pull aggro for 10 seconds and give the boss off balance.

You can make the slayer work but it will always be sub par compared to the ironbreaker because its a team game.

Drythe
Aug 26, 2012


 
:gitgud:

Minorkos
Feb 20, 2010

Arghy posted:

You can make the slayer work but it will always be sub par compared to the ironbreaker because its a team game.

to me Slayer seems kind of fundamentally bad because you kinda need to have a ranged weapon to snipe various specials with.

I think they should just reduce his jump's cooldown to like, 10 seconds

Arghy
Nov 15, 2012

Agent355 posted:

It is consistently impressive to me how much 'I would do X but then I'd have to rely on my team' comes up in this thread. I hate pubbies in literally all the games but relying on them to be at least half-competent is pretty unavoidable in this game and it seems like your just hamstringing yourself if you refuse to.

They literally intended for you to design your groups in the keep like discussing tactics and poo poo but in reality people get attached to certain classes and characters while some careers are just inferior at the job. Unchained/zealot will never be as good tanks as FK/IB, none of bardins careers will ever approach the DPS of the other DPS careers, and to make matters worse on legend your pretty much forced into roles.

I have multiple lv30's but i play IB the most and i would love to mess with slayer/ranger but realistically on champ/legend me being IB will pull our rear end out of the fire and allow us to complete the run so i play IB. I'm also the dedicated grim/tome carrier in every game, if i'm slayer/ranger who's going to carry the grim and not die? When i was leveling my other chars it was a horrible poo poo show with us losing the grims almost constantly because it takes a certain mindset to carry them and not have the freedom of going down.

Kruber and the elf are the best off atm with all 3 careers being very viable, hopefully they'll buff ranger/WHC/BW.

Grapplejack
Nov 27, 2007

One thing about this game that I find kind of nuts is that people will always go for the grims and tomes, even if it's really obvious this team won't survive taking them both.

I'd rather get a box then get nothing >:(

Ammanas
Jul 17, 2005

Voltes V: "Laser swooooooooord!"
Champ is for playing the class you want, how you want
Legend is for choosing the best class at a role and doing your job

The Skeleton King
Jul 16, 2011

Right now undead are at the top of my shit list. Undead are complete fuckers. Those geists are fuckers. Necromancers are fuckers. Necrosavants are big time fuckers. Skeletons aren't too bad except when they bleed everyone in the company. Zombos are at least not too bad.


Grapplejack posted:

One thing about this game that I find kind of nuts is that people will always go for the grims and tomes, even if it's really obvious this team won't survive taking them both.

I'd rather get a box then get nothing >:(

I hate that poo poo. I just want to live!

Agrajag
Jan 21, 2006

gat dang thats hot

Ammanas posted:

Champ is for playing the class you want, how you want
Legend is for choosing the best class at a role and doing your job

sounds not fun at all

toasterwarrior
Nov 11, 2011
Not really a fan of Slayer in high difficulties but I find that taking the stronger Leap stagger with faster cooldown on stacks helps a lot more than defense per stack and uninterruptible attacks. Just Keep Jumpin'!

Dr. VooDoo
May 4, 2006



God damnit, Tzneetch

Agent355
Jul 26, 2011


Agrajag posted:

sounds not fun at all

It's about challenging yourself to see if you can beat the absolute hardest content. Same sorta mouth feel as MMO raiding. It demands a bit of compromise on the players part to play things that are objectively better instead of whatever is the most fun, because at that point winning/challenging yourself is where the fun comes from and not what weapon/class you're using.

If that doesn't describe you then stay on champion, thats fine too.

AndyElusive
Jan 7, 2007

During Empire in Flames my rando vet team was picked off one after the other by the evilest hook rat.

First it hooked Sienna and dragged her off the map just as I turned around to try and save her, while our Kruber kept hacking away at slaverats.

I get mobbed from behind by ratties and while I'm in the moshpit I got hooked and dragged past the invisible wall. My limp carcass should have been a warning to the Kruber and the IB to start paying attention to the hooker instead of the slave rats.

IB doesn't seem to care so he gets hooked while the Kruber kept doing his thing. I chime in that he should do something about the rat with the stick.

Nope, while he's lipping me off and trying to school me on the ways of the Foot Knight he gets hooked.

:boom:

AggressivelyStupid
Jan 9, 2012

Arghy posted:

Nah the grudgeraker is a FF machine and its not like oh i just scratched you its oh poo poo i just gibbed the wizard.


yeah thats good

Magitek
Feb 20, 2008

That's not jolly.
That's not jolly at all!

Minorkos posted:

I think they should just reduce his jump's cooldown to like, 10 seconds

That's already the case, provided that you take the talent that reduces the cooldown on-hit and are actually in the thick of things hitting with your dual axes. You can keep 100% uptime on the attack speed buff (and movement speed buff, if you take that talent as well), and it stacks very favorably with the Swift Slaying enchant. Slayer is an absolute blender and a ton of fun to play, but as others have mentioned losing your ranged weapon is a huge trade-off. Not unmanageable, but definitely needs to be taken into consideration when choosing a team lineup.

Ammanas
Jul 17, 2005

Voltes V: "Laser swooooooooord!"

Agrajag posted:

sounds not fun at all

Its incredibly fun, imo Legend is where the game belongs. It just requires your teammates to be Not Fuckheads

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kaleedity
Feb 27, 2016



Agrajag posted:

sounds not fun at all

it's a little better when you're sick as gently caress like these nerds

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yu51E7Cw0uY

but yeah my group's far from that

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