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Comrade Gorbash posted:Maybe not enough of those players exist to build a championship contender around Russ, but thus far it doesn't seem like OKC has bothered to try to identify and acquire them. ? They may not have been fully successful additions so far but they fuckin traded for Paul George and Carmelo Anthony to give Russ some (ostensibly, in Melo's case) elite perimeter options just this last offseason. They got Oladipo for similar reasons the season before. I don't know how you could possibly say they haven't bothered to try to identify and acquire the right sort of players for Russ to play with OKC and Russ deserve criticism for plenty of things but lack of effort is not one of them
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Russ sucks rear end but this opinion is influenced by my friend who picked up OKC as his team this year and will not shut up about how good Russ is like there are other things to like in the league russ definitely should not have won MVP last year notice how he's having a similar season and not a peep; everybody knew what they were doing last year Carlosologist fucked around with this message at 17:31 on Apr 3, 2018 |
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Apr 3, 2018 17:29
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Zogo posted:It seems improbable that he'll reach those heights although he's still only 21. Might I remind you that this thread is a Devin Booker loving zone so tread lightly in your responses.
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Cool Buff Man posted:First part is fair enough but what's wrong with liking dunks Because one guy says that he thinks Westbrook is a problem in OKC and he gets a bunch of replies talking about dunks like it's somehow a valid argument. It happens constantly.
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Apr 3, 2018 17:30
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There's nothing more important than shot creation and Russ is a one of the best shot creators in the league so you could in fact probably build a title team around him. No one here thought George and Melo being added to this team made them an instant title contender when it happened so caretrolling when they are in fact not a title contender and blaming it on Westbrook is a bit disingenuous.
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Doltos posted:Because one guy says that he thinks Westbrook is a problem in OKC and he gets a bunch of replies talking about dunks like it's somehow a valid argument. It happens constantly. Ok phew just as long as you like dunks
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Fast Luck posted:I think Booker is already better than Klay on the offensive side of the ball. They're playing very different games, where Klay gets to knock down open looks as a shooter on Golden State, while Booker is creating all the scoring for a putrid Suns team; 83.7% of Klay's shots are assisted, versus only 42.6% of Booker's. So, obviously, Booker's efficiency comes out worse, but he's already scored more ppg (and more pp100p) than Klay ever has. I also believe Booker's shooting ability is as good as Klay's, though it's hard to say for sure. But Booker has an .849 career ft% versus Klay's .851 which is basically the same (and Booker reached .878 this season). So, basically, I believe Booker can shoot like Klay but is a much more dynamic offensive threat. Maybe. Def think you are right wrt more and different types of shots created. Too bad about his defense. Rip.
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Cool Buff Man posted:First part is fair enough but what's wrong with liking dunks https://twitter.com/dril/status/975401318050418689
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Apr 3, 2018 17:37
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Comrade Gorbash posted:I think Russ could be the best player on a championship team, but he's the kind of superstar that creates a tricky team building challenge. This just sounds like mental gymnastics to justify... I don't know, I'm not even sure what? They've consistently put REALLY good players around him, including finding absolute gems like Adams and Ibaka. And he's been on a bunch of really successful teams, so it's not like he's lacking career success.
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i dont even know what unusual combination of unique skills russ has that make him a tough fit. i dont know what mistakes the thunder supposedly previously made. and i dont know how a player who perfectly fits on every contender ever in the history of the nba is an example of this. mostly cause that guy just says a thing exists, doesnt define it and then starts channeling espn draft coverage
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Apr 3, 2018 17:47
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Losing Roberson is a bigger loss than everyone who has besmirched him in the past wants to admit and this team was playing a championship caliber level before he got hurt
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Doltos posted:Because he's a turnover machine and clanks deep 3's in tight situations pretty much every time they're trailing. He also puts himself completely out of position going for inane rebounds and plays no defense. sorry about high school
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Apr 3, 2018 17:50
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Rick posted:Lmao is this what people are saying? If he's not picking the phone up after 5:30 it's because he's at a game in Lebanon or something. Which is why I don't think you have to worry about the draft part of it all. If he nails their draft pick it'll already be an improvement on Cho's run, it just sucks being someone's retirement gig. At his age and his stature I can't see him going for the long-haul demolition they probably need
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Metapod posted:Losing Roberson is a bigger loss than everyone who has besmirched him in the past wants to admit and this team was playing a championship caliber level before he got hurt
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russ was also on a team that was one win away from beating the greatest regular season team of all time, and hes already been to the finals? if your definition is has to actually win the finals then....theres only one good player every single year? and last year it was zaza pachulia
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Paul Zuvella posted:You could probably have put prime dirk on literally any team and they would have succeeded. *bursts into thread because someone said "dirk"* no you have to be very specific to accomodate prime Dirk, you need a guard in the classic Steve Nash/Devin Harris/Jason Terry/Jason Kidd/JJ Barea mold, a center at least as good as Shawn Bradley and a team pace somewhere between 2nd and 28th
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Saying Dirk is hard to build around might be subtly the dumbest take in SAS since "Lebron's never lifted"
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this player is hard to build around, you need players with a very particular and unusual set of skills which I will now elaborate on whoops got to go
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Comrade Gorbash posted:Hm, Oklahoma City has had essentially the same set of problems for a decade and players routinely get better after they leave. Can't possibly be because of the only person directly involved in games who's been there the entire time, that doesn't make any sense. Their problems are coaching, supporting players (including injuries) and the front office. Comrade Gorbash posted:Really the actual problem with Russ is that OKC keeps doing the same thing in regards to building a team around him and expecting different results. It's like the Knicks chasing the Olympic Melo mirage all over. Paul Zuvella posted:You could probably have put prime dirk on literally any team and they would have succeeded. Accurate. Imagine how many titles Dirk would have won if he had ever been paired with a superstar. (Nash was close but not there yet.) Dirk + 1 of KG/Shaq/Duncan would have won more titles together than any squad since the Russell Celtics. Paul Zuvella posted:Saying Dirk is hard to build around might be subtly the dumbest take in SAS since "Lebron's never lifted" Dutchy posted:*bursts into thread because someone said "dirk"* My man. Nerlens really should have taken that deal from Dallas this summer.
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Mandrel posted:sorry about high school I was getting dunked on well into college and beyond too
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The great thing about the Noel situation is that it is almost certainly all his fault and not his agents, seeing as he fired his agent right before squatting down and demanding the max. His original agent was almost assuredly pushing for him to take the dallas deal.
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Totally hosed that up, sorry, 100% deserved getting clowned on for it. Don't half finish an idea and hit post without rereading it make sure you didn't say something terminally stupid because you're posting on lunch before going to a meeting. Comrade Gorbash fucked around with this message at 21:21 on Apr 3, 2018 |
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Apr 3, 2018 18:35
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It makes me sad to see Nerlens flame out like this. I think he just doesn’t give a gently caress.
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Doltos posted:I was getting dunked on well into college and beyond too Did you get dunked on with one of those little fisher price basketball goals?
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dokmo posted:This is periodically brought up here but then posters remind the thread that Westbrook is a dunking death dealer and triple doubles trump efficiency so go home nerds. He is also disabusing me one game at a time of the archaic notions of teamwork, open man advantage and the absurd notion that winning a child's game matters. There is order amidst chaos, its origin is inscrutable like the first verse of the bible, and that's what Russ brings
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My Zen Westbrook take: Criticize him for playing a type of basketball that isn't super compatible with many good players, believe his talent is still enough to lead a contender if the right pieces are around him, cherish him for bringing a distinct style to a game in which aesthetic value can outweigh efficiency for the viewer Basically: "He could improve his game, but who cares." Tear down the slavish dedication to wins and losses and learn to love each basketballer for who he is
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http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yad843o5 lol maybe this trade will work out for San Antonio the way the Dipo/Sabonis trade worked out for Indiana.
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Ghost Dog posted:russ was also on a team that was one win away from beating the greatest regular season team of all time, and hes already been to the finals? if your definition is has to actually win the finals then....theres only one good player every single year? and last year it was zaza pachulia Lol end thread, ghost dog slam dunk, highlights at 11
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Dirk should be easy to build a title around but then you had stretches of his career where dumbshits like Avery insist that be needed to bang more down low. Or that Antawn and Antoine should be his front court mates. Or that Finley needed his fair share of shots. Or Josh Howard was the team's real primary scorer
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pubic works project posted:http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yad843o5 This is a form of violence
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Kawaii, welcome to Cleveland
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AggressivelyStupid posted:Kawaii, welcome to Cleveland Kevin Love and the Brooklyn pick, who says no?
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I dont want to trade for Kawhi until I see him play a few games of basketball first
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Nissin Cup Nudist posted:I dont want to trade for Kawhi until I see him play a few games of basketball first When he played this year he was still really, really good on bad legs and limited minutes
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xbilkis posted:My Zen Westbrook take: Criticize him for playing a type of basketball that isn't super compatible with many good players, believe his talent is still enough to lead a contender if the right pieces are around him, cherish him for bringing a distinct style to a game in which aesthetic value can outweigh efficiency for the viewer People could stand to focus more on what players can do rather than what they can't just in general
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MourningView posted:People could stand to focus more on what players can do rather than what they can't just in general We all know what Westbrook can do which is why no one here is acting like he's some poo poo player. It's just that he happens to have a lot of faults which can rightfully be discussed.
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claiming hes the problem with the thunder instead of unarguably their best player may not be calling him a G leaguer but its close enough that its worth pretending thats what was said
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Ghost Dog posted:claiming hes the problem with the thunder instead of unarguably their best player may not be calling him a G leaguer but its close enough that its worth pretending thats what was said Pretending what was said. Repeat that phrase to yourself.
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