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Astoundingly Ugly Baby posted:Apple's got some 2012 13-inch Classic MBPs in the refurb store right now. Which seems real fuckin weird to me they kept selling those into the education market and some weirdo businesses for many years. it was the last device they sold that had an optical drive.
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i want timb to release a mac pro that is clearly just a janky hackintosh with the Dell logo covered by an apple sticker
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i want apple to start selling rebranded clevo/sager laptops like system 76 does
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The Management posted:they kept selling those into the education market and some weirdo businesses for many years. it was the last device they sold that had an optical drive. they're also the last ones with real firewire ports. a lot of pro-audio people were screwed when they dropped them since the thunderbolt adapters don't provide phantom power
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The Management posted:reading the article I am now convinced that they are going to royally gently caress up the new Mac Pro and miss the entire point of everything people have been yelling about for years. work your contacts if you haven’t burned any bridges (I have no knowledge or insight etc. I’m just saying if you care, be vocal about what you think)
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Apr 6, 2018 05:03
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rjmccall posted:why would you do serious cad work without a mouse anyway, it's not like that wouldn't equally suck on a pc laptop yeah like my first thought was “dude just get a Sun Type 6 USB mouse and live the three-button lifestyle”
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Apr 6, 2018 05:04
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i want the new mac pro to be designed out of pure spite. the cpu socket will fit standard off the shelf xeons but it will fry both the board and cpu if you put one in it because it's not LGA2066, no sir; it's LGA2066a and it's not keyed any differently. same goes for the cpu fan header, psu, m.2, memory, and pci express slots, all the same pin count and connectors, all artificially electrically incompatible. the only compatible video cards will be quadro and firepro cards that will cost a couple hundred more than the already-padded price of the regular pc ones, because gently caress you. the cheapest card will be rebadged $350 gt610.
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Apr 6, 2018 05:06
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C.H.O.M.E. posted:this drat plug that was originally intended for the Quadra 660AV and Quadra 840AV, I think there was also a 17in multisync version intended for the Quadra 840AV (and no, I’m not thinking of the Multiple Scan 17AV) I got one of those 14in monitors from a friend back in 1998-99 and stuck it on the PowerMac 7100/66 that I was using as a NAT, the speakers were loving boss and the Trinitron screen looked great though it was 640×480 only, and the software brightness/volume/etc. was cool too
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Apr 6, 2018 05:10
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Laslow posted:i want the new mac pro to be designed out of pure spite. the cpu socket will fit standard off the shelf xeons but it will fry both the board and cpu if you put one in it because it's not LGA2066, no sir; it's LGA2066a and it's not keyed any differently. “uh why does this pin have AC line voltage going to it”
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Apr 6, 2018 05:12
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The Management posted:they kept selling those into the education market and some weirdo businesses for many years. it was the last device they sold that had an optical drive. my girlfriend is unfucking the Mac IT situation at her company. Previously it was taken care of by Windows people who just kept buying those models refurb, and when people complained it was getting slow, they shoved an SSD in there. They were doing this for over 5 years.
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hobbesmaster posted:“uh why does this pin have AC line voltage going to it” “it doesn’t, you missed the diode ladder”
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eschaton posted:work your contacts if you haven’t burned any bridges lol if you think me or anyone I know has any ability to influence product decisions. literally the most effective thing I could do is write marco arment and inspire him to complain.
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Apr 6, 2018 05:34
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eschaton posted:yeah like my first thought was “dude just get a Sun Type 6 USB mouse and live the three-button lifestyle” these were not great mice btw
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Laslow posted:the only compatible video cards will be quadro and firepro cards that will cost a couple hundred more than the already-padded price of the regular pc ones, because gently caress you. the cheapest card will be rebadged $350 gt610. this, but it will be firepro only because apple has a vendetta against nvidia
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Apr 6, 2018 06:00
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a new trashcan, but the top part has an integrated touch thing so u can dj in a circle on the lid as a means of input for logic pro work flow design
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Apr 6, 2018 06:03
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:this, but it will be firepro only because apple has a vendetta against nvidia never forgive, never forget.
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Apr 6, 2018 06:38
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They could do so many cool things with a plain old cheese grater tower form factor it fills me with rage to know that it will never happen  For instance they could start selling PCIe ARM daughterboards stuffed full of A11 chips to let you compile and run native arm code once that platform migration project gets off the ground. It was the last Apple computer to have an actual functional cooling solution, too 
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Apr 6, 2018 06:44
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:these were not great mice btw I use one on my Linux box with my Type 7 UNIX keyboard, it’s fine
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rjmccall posted:why would you do serious cad work without a mouse anyway, it's not like that wouldn't equally suck on a pc laptop it would be so unthinkable to even try this on any pc touchpad. the mac trackpad is so good the students don’t even realize they should use a mouse.
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real pro machine should run x86 AND arm64 at the same time i dont care how impossible it is just make it happen
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[img]https://i.imgur.com/2NrWHXn.png][/img] So you want a realistic down-to-earth computer that's completely off the wall and swarming with magic robots? Laslow fucked around with this message at 12:44 on Apr 6, 2018 |
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r u ready to WALK posted:They could do so many cool things with a plain old cheese grater tower form factor it fills me with rage to know that it will never happen it really is a pleasure to work on smh. to upgrade the cpu you literally just need about 5 minutes and an allen kay; you don't even need to hunch over the computer to do it, just whip the tray out and put it on a table. apple are better at making featureless hunks of aluminium but i think most of the reason apple diehards are apple diehards is because their computers actually featured... features that showed they were really thinking about how an actual human being would use the product. poo poo like magsafe. i'm too young/poor to have used the translucent plastic ibook so i've no idea how useful it was in practice but that handle was sure as gently caress a cool idea too
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lol that articlequote:"“We know that there’s a lot of customers today that are making purchase decisions on the iMac Pro and whether or not they should wait for the Mac Pro,” says Boger. people weren't buying our lovely solution because they were hoping for something better. we must kill that hope. quote:But on Tuesday I also got a tour of the editing suites where Mac hardware and software is pushed to the limits, including extensive use of eGPU support, and a different vision emerges. Let's see... iMac Pro - $5k 2x iPads Pro - $1.1k mbp (touchbar because you need the extra thunderbolt ports) - $1.8k workstation class eGPU - $1.8k for a P5000 + $200 for powered eGPU enclosure $10k minimum for that setup, nearly all of it going to apple for apple hardware. yes I can see why apple likes this vision.
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Generic Monk posted:it really is a pleasure to work on smh. to upgrade the cpu you literally just need about 5 minutes and an allen kay; you don't even need to hunch over the computer to do it, just whip the tray out and put it on a table. apple are better at making featureless hunks of aluminium but i think most of the reason apple diehards are apple diehards is because their computers actually featured... features that showed they were really thinking about how an actual human being would use the product. poo poo like magsafe. i'm too young/poor to have used the translucent plastic ibook so i've no idea how useful it was in practice but that handle was sure as gently caress a cool idea too i can emphasize with apple, i mean people who upgrade computers don't buy new computers, and buying new computers makes you money. i like money, and as such, i can emphasize
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Boiled Water posted:i can emphasize with apple, i mean people who upgrade computers don't buy new computers, and buying new computers makes you money. i think the pro market has voted with their wallets in this instance, in that if they can't buy a model of apple computer that suits their needs, they just won't buy an apple computer. i think what we're seeing now is tim cook's strategy of 'make a featureless hunk of aluminium that prints money' running up against a brick wall since the choice is either 'make something that this market actually wants to use and make a small amount of money' or 'make the featureless trashcan again which according to all our consumer products should print money, but doesn't make any money because no one wants to buy it'. the leadership has shown time and again that they aren't interested in anything that doesn't make a shitload of money, and i'm pretty certain this product would have gone the way of their wifi routers if not for a) the tech press going on about it constantly and b) there almost certainly being a considerable number of people within apple who develop for and work on macs that would really like this to happen. most likely unless timb has a spiritual epiphany, even if the product that everyone wants actually gets made (which is just a loving mac with pci slots, come on) its existence will likely have to be rejustified quarterly until the end of recorded time.
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apple's modern direction is either the true meaning of or a complete abandonment of their philosophy of "make the products we would want to use ourselves" and i'm not sure which is worse
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eschaton posted:yeah like my first thought was “dude just get a Sun Type 6 USB mouse and live the three-button lifestyle” fuuuuck they used these in the library in my city centre growing up, along with some weird all-in-one... things that ran cde and netscape iirc. i'm never going to find out what those things were building looked like this also. was so lit. yes it was as depressing and ill-maintained as you'd think inside, but i still think it's a looker  carry on then posted:apple's modern direction is either the true meaning of or a complete abandonment of their philosophy of "make the products we would want to use ourselves" and i'm not sure which is worse it's the former - the ipads are great, the iphones (size notwithstanding) are great. the partician 'you know what's best for you' attitude works well when you have more or less proven that you know what the consumer market wants more than the market itself knows. it's just that the people in charge of design and the people with the balance sheet are more than likely not going to be using pro desktops, but they're the ones holding all the cards and thinking 'why would anyone buy a tower computer in 2018? it's so ugly and it doesn't even make us that much money'. jony needs to eat a gigantic slice of deep-dish humble pie if he still keeps wanting to use that 'design isn't how it looks, design is how it works' line. all this 'pro workflow research' stuff just seems like a protracted, multimillion-dollar exercise in which these people attempt to convince themselves by any means possible that what this market actually wants isn't just a desktop mac with pci slots Generic Monk fucked around with this message at 16:22 on Apr 6, 2018 |
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“I’m proud to introduce the new revolutionary Mac Pro with a stylish, state of the art new form factor made with genuine ground up skeletons of holocaust victims!” *dead silence* “And one more thing, it has a PCI slot!” *THERMONUCLEAR EXPLOSION OF APPLAUSE*
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but it's modular guys, just buy ten billion 3rd party peripherals made by one of three companies that may or may not work to any particular degree with the hardware you plan to use and will forever cost a fortune because the exist solely for this one specific niche workstation product timb has seen the future and it's a desk covered in boxes and cables
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infernal machines posted:timb has seen the future and it's a desk covered in boxes and cables  its printers quote:SAN FRANCISCO—Following the resignation of Apple founder Steve Jobs, incoming CEO Tim Cook called a meeting of shareholders and members of the press Thursday morning to announce that he envisioned printers as the company’s future. “Laser, ink-jet, double-sided, color, black-and-white—the future of technology is in printers. I am absolutely convinced of that,” Cook explained to a packed auditorium as a montage of printers and people using printers played on a screen behind him. “What is the one thing people will always need? It’s obvious: printers. Printers with fax machines attached, printers that collate and staple, perhaps a printer that makes photocopies. Anything’s possible. It’s called innovation.” Cook concluded his remarks by assuring investors the release of upcoming Apple products such as the iPhone 5 would be postponed for at least four years so the company could throw all its time and resources into the creation of high-quality printers for the home and office.
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Laslow posted:“I’m proud to introduce the new revolutionary Mac Pro with a stylish, state of the art new form factor made with genuine ground up skeletons of holocaust victims!” FUD; dust near apple products renders them nonfunctional. you know this
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I think you'll all find that a disgusting rat's nest of cables and enclosures fits right in to apple's famed elegant design philosophy
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Best Bi Geek Squid posted:I think you'll all find that a disgusting rat's nest of cables and enclosures fits right in to apple's famed elegant design philosophy i do have to imagine that the desk of everyone who uses the 2013 pro for work looks like kurt 'tentacle hentai' eichenwald's downloads folder
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jony is lost in design wankery and needs someone to ground him. Phil’s job is to make products people want to buy, and he’s failing at it in the Mac Pro. the truth is that the cheesegraters never sold very well. they sold some. but they weren’t updated often and they were very expensive. having 30 pounds of milled aluminum or overengineered slots in there didn’t help that. 95% of people would be extremely happy with a black box under their desk that had high end CPUs, lots of ram, pci slots, storage bays, and some real cooling. it doesn’t need to look pretty. it doesn’t need to be small. it doesn’t need to be modular. it just needs to run macOS and be easily upgradable. there’s always been demand for a mid-range tower, that’s not a $9000 workstation but also not a Mac mini constrained laptop in a box. just make it already and it would sell much better than the cheesegraters ever did and certainly better than the trash cans. I think I just talked myself into a hackintosh. gently caress.
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the challenge isn't "can apple make it?" it's "can apple make it and still get a 30% profit on it?" or "can apple make a lower margin mac without cannibalizing their high margin business?" apple is a fluke, every other computer company has like 3% margins but they got used to everyhting making them tons and tons of money so now it's their guiding principle
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Generic Monk posted:i do have to imagine that the desk of everyone who uses the 2013 pro for work looks like kurt 'tentacle hentai' eichenwald's downloads folder same but 2017  2 monitors, power, USB-C to USB adapter to powered USB hub with wired keyboard and Logitech dongle.
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qirex posted:the challenge isn't "can apple make it?" it's "can apple make it and still get a 30% profit on it?" or "can apple make a lower margin mac without cannibalizing their high margin business?" apple could price a midtower at whatever they want, look at their laptop pricing
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The Management posted:I think I just talked myself into a hackintosh. gently caress. 
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eschaton posted:I use one on my Linux box with my Type 7 UNIX keyboard, it’s fine you are a masochist the keyboard and the mouse both sucked. yeah sun unix layout is good and cool, but they made a lot of bad, bad, bad keyboards. the type 4 was merely ok and it was all downhill from there
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