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My understanding is that circumcision rates are dropping in the US, and in most of the rest of the world they're already far lower, so the "it looks weird" factor will go down. Like, it was a relatively specific fad for the US, and I'd think over time whatever taboo exists will go away. Of course, during new baby conversations with family you find out fun facts like that your grandfather isn't circumcised. We didn't circumcise. We basically were like, if he has a problem with it, he can ship it off later. For now, no reason to start cutting stuff off.
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SpaceCadetBob posted:I'm not sure I agree with the dealing with a penis wound being difficult POV though. Obviously there were steps needed in caring for the cut, but overall it didn't feel particularly challenging, and this was on our first born where everything else felt like a crisis all the time. Agree with this. It was no worse than caring for his umbilical stump. A little Vaseline and gauze for a few days, no biggie. We both wanted to circumcise so we didn’t have to debate the pros and cons, but one reason we did it was because I heard there are a lot of infections that happen among elderly men because they or the nurse/caretaker have a harder time keeping uncircumcised penises clean. Circumcision as an adult is a lot more painful than as a day old infant, so that’s something to consider too. Ultimately if my husband had felt strongly about not circumcising, I would have been fine with it, since he is the expert on having a penis and not me. He reports no regret at having lived his life sans foreskin though, so we chose the same for our son.
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Apr 11, 2018 20:17
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Hi_Bears posted:We both wanted to circumcise so we didn’t have to debate the pros and cons, but one reason we did it was because I heard there are a lot of infections that happen among elderly men because they or the nurse/caretaker have a harder time keeping uncircumcised penises clean. Holy poo poo if I get old and decrepit enough that I can't clean out my own smeg then just end me please. Until then I'll continue having a jolly old time with my retractable wank sheath as god intended.
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Apr 11, 2018 20:44
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I heard the whole we want him to look like his dad argument and it's pretty hilarious. It's a dick. They look like dicks and kids aren't going to give a poo poo about those minor differences. It must be some mom's blog thing because I only hear wives saying it while their husband shrugs in agreement. I had no idea my dad wasn't circumcised until recently and I definitely saw his penis growing up. Dad dicks, man.
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Apr 11, 2018 20:59
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As an EU it’s weird to think that most Americans I meet don’t have a foreskin. I like my turtleneck.
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Apr 11, 2018 21:26
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LogisticEarth posted:We didn't circumcise. We basically were like, if he has a problem with it, he can ship it off later. For now, no reason to start cutting stuff off. this was my parent's reasoning, and I am still very bitter about it, as I did develop a problem with it later and it turns out that circumcision as an older kid is much, much harder, and as an adult it's nearly impossible. Now I'm 30 and I'm stuck with it unless I want to spend thousands and recover for 3+ weeks. Meanwhile my son healed in 5 days and didn't notice it at all - he didn't even whimper in the surgery. My dad was circumcised. All my friends were circumcised. All the penises I saw (in porn, in movies) were circumcised. I felt like an outcast, and I grew terrified of sex and intimacy in general because of it. Obviously everyone is different, and the chance of having a problem like I did is rare. Still, it's incredibly aggravating to see people talking about it as if we're talking plastic vs. canvas grocery bags. It's absolutely not an outdated practice, and it never will be due to the numerous benefits vs. extremely low risks Hopefully that sounded reasonable because I'm about to sound less so: if you call it "genital mutilation" you can gently caress off. It objectively isn't, and if you have to resort to gross exaggeration to feel better about your opinion then maybe ask yourself why you feel that way
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Apr 11, 2018 21:29
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I wonder why people get as strident against piercing babies' ears when at the very least the piercings can close up on their own.
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Apr 11, 2018 21:34
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Panfilo posted:I wonder why people get as strident against piercing babies' ears when at the very least the piercings can close up on their own. This actually depends! I got my ears pierced as a kid. I begged for it and it was my decision. As an older teen and adult I barely wear earrings. Mostly out of  I'll go years without wearing earrings and then when I want to be dressy for a special occasion, they go back in no problem.
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Apr 11, 2018 21:40
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DangerZoneDelux posted:I heard the whole we want him to look like his dad argument and it's pretty hilarious. It's a dick. They look like dicks and kids aren't going to give a poo poo about those minor differences. It must be some mom's blog thing because I only hear wives saying it while their husband shrugs in agreement. I had no idea my dad wasn't circumcised until recently and I definitely saw his penis growing up. Dad dicks, man. Also everybody has their own parenting style but I don't normally anticipate the kid will see Dad naked that much once the kid can shower alone?
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Apr 11, 2018 22:05
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Yes the benefits are vast in 3rd world countries to circumcision. Hopefully everyone here has access to running water and can clean their penis. I would probably go far to say issues with intimacy probably came from somewhere else and you are just finding an uncut penis as the culprit.
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Apr 11, 2018 22:07
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I am an American woman who theoretically should be terrified or disgusted by foreskins. Not so. I would actually prefer the foreskin to be present, all other things being equal. Every other American woman I’ve talked to about this (who’s actually been with an uncircumcised man) feels the same way. Just addressing the “partner won’t like it” aspect, unless of course your wife has been with an uncircumcised guy and was disgusted.
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Apr 11, 2018 22:22
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I will never understand the 'foreskins are disgusting' argument. It's just skin that protects your penis, what's gross about it? And unless there's a medical issue at birth, why chop it off? It's meant to be there! It serves a purpose!
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Apr 11, 2018 22:48
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hooah posted:So we're going to have a son, and my wife has brought up the circumcision discussion. We talked a out it a little before we knew the sex of our daughter, and our positions seem to be the same as before. I don't see any reason to do it, she thinks it's important for the kid that his penis looks like mine, and she worried that in the far future, potential partners would be freaked out by an uncircumcised penis. What's a good way for us to navigate this decision? How strongly do you two feel about your positions? FWIW, it would take some real good reasons for me to remove part of my son's skin.
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Apr 11, 2018 22:54
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I am circumcised, and my parents didn't take care of it properly. I have a couple skin bridges on my penis because of this. I didn't even realize my penis wasn't "normal" until I was in college (~20yo). I watched porn as a teen; people had seen my penis; and I had seen several penises in the locker room on the swim team in high school. Not once did it ever occur to me that my penis looked different, nor did it ever come up. No girlfriends nor my wife has ever cared that I have skin bridges. We are having a boy in a month, and we will not have him circumcised - even though all of our nephews and friend's sons are circumcised. Our family and friends think we're weird to not want him circumcised, but we just don't see the need. And if we don't bring attention to the fact, he probably won't even realize his penis isn't "like Dad's" (even though it never would be) or "like the other boys' penises". I know it's a very personal topic and there are minimal risks on both sides of the argument, but I wanted to throw my personal experience into this hotly debated matter. Good-Natured Filth fucked around with this message at 03:57 on Apr 12, 2018 |
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Apr 12, 2018 00:03
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My son is not circumsized. If he wants to do it later in life he certainly can. His dick looking different than his dad's has been a complete non-issue.
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Apr 12, 2018 02:27
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DangerZoneDelux posted:Yes the benefits are vast in 3rd world countries to circumcision. Hopefully everyone here has access to running water and can clean their penis. I would probably go far to say issues with intimacy probably came from somewhere else and you are just finding an uncut penis as the culprit. Do you honestly think the only benefit is you don't need to clean under it? Maybe if you posted genuinely you'd have an easier time explaining your position And hey, my foreskin doesn't actually open beyond a pin prick. My dick looks absolutely ridiculous on the best of days, and when I pee it balloons up like one of those water tube toys. I am positive that's where my lack of intimacy came from, as is my therapist who helped me through it, but I'd be happy to send you some pics if you're still unsure
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Apr 12, 2018 02:28
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Can we not act like something that has a very small likelihood of happening to uncircumcised men is common? Or if we are doing worst case scenario stuff, babies have died from circumcisions. Honest question, if it's that big of an issue, why don't you get circumsized?
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Apr 12, 2018 02:39
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I think she feels more strongly than I do. My main argument is pretty much "it seems unnecessary", but I haven't really thought about it a whole lot, to be honest. I think her main concern, which plays into both of her points I mentioned, is him feeling like a freak with a weird penis. I'm glad to hear that that's (mostly) not people's experience.
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Apr 12, 2018 03:29
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WarpDogs posted:Do you honestly think the only benefit is you don't need to clean under it? Maybe if you posted genuinely you'd have an easier time explaining your position Unfortunately I have sat through many hours of penis pictures and have seen everything.
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Apr 12, 2018 03:36
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I’m perfectly happy with my foreskin. Plenty of advantages to keep it. My sons will all keep theirs if they don’t have problems. I actually think it’s wrong to cut it off if there is no actual specific medical reason, but I don’t live somewhere where circumcision is the norm.
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Apr 12, 2018 04:16
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I think part of the decline in circumsision is the rise of hispanics population that circumsize much lesd frequently. Our peditrician recommended it. Based on demographics, and lower infection risks, we choose to do it. It also cuts way back on the smegma
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Apr 12, 2018 07:20
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Otto Von Jizzmark posted:I think part of the decline in circumsision is the rise of hispanics population that circumsize much lesd frequently. Smegma just isn't a thing unless your personal hygiene is awful. Wash your weiner every time you shower, and hey presto, no smegma!
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Apr 12, 2018 07:30
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I work as an RN and sometimes help with circumcisions (mainly just feeding the baby sugar water as a distraction). I find it to be a pretty difficult procedure to watch for newborns who cannot possibly consent, and I've seen one procedure gone wrong that I'm still scarred by. My hospital's practice is moving away from circumcisions, and they are not routinely offered to patients by our pediatrics team. They educate patients that there are more risks than benefits, and we only do them if the parents request. I think our circumcision rate is <20%.
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Apr 12, 2018 08:22
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WarpDogs posted:Do you honestly think the only benefit is you don't need to clean under it? Maybe if you posted genuinely you'd have an easier time explaining your position Sorry you have a rare medical condition involving your dick but 99 percent of foreskin havers don't have the problems you do. Just because you happened to have a complication doesn't mean we should preemptively start chopping off all baby foreskins especially since circumcising can have MUCH worse outcomes ala David Reimer.
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Apr 12, 2018 08:25
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hooah posted:So we're going to have a son, and my wife has brought up the circumcision discussion. We talked a out it a little before we knew the sex of our daughter, and our positions seem to be the same as before. I don't see any reason to do it, she thinks it's important for the kid that his penis looks like mine, and she worried that in the far future, potential partners would be freaked out by an uncircumcised penis. What's a good way for us to navigate this decision? Whenever I read things like that I think to myself that america must be a hosed up place. Good example of norm-twisting.
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Otto Von Jizzmark posted:I think part of the decline in circumsision is the rise of hispanics population that circumsize much lesd frequently. This sounds like something your racist friend says and not like a real thing. EDIT: It also sounds like you're saying "Those Hispanics don't circumcise, and that's skewing the numbers for us REAL Americans." At any rate, "everyone else is doing it" shouldn't be a deciding factor to (or not to) circumcise your son. Slimy Hog fucked around with this message at 13:50 on Apr 12, 2018 |
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Also why would you choose to circumcise your child 'based on demographics'? That's nonsense. Circumcision at birth isn't really a thing over here in the UK and I don't think we have a preponderance of smegma or wang problems compared to countries that do it. And for the guy ITT who does have wang problems, sorry dude it must suck, but that's what circumcision is actually for - people like you. If it's that bad, why not get the surgery done? I'd take three weeks of recovery over a water-balloon dick every time I took a piss.
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Apr 12, 2018 14:01
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Quick question on teething. Our 18 month old son is suddenly been a hot mess for three days, chewing on everything, drooling like crazy, and now today coughing a ton. Just wondering if the coughing thing is a common teething symptom or if I should be taking him to the doc. His throat/rear mouth doesn't look red or anything, just feel bad for the little guy.
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SpaceCadetBob posted:Quick question on teething. Our 18 month old son is suddenly been a hot mess for three days, chewing on everything, drooling like crazy, and now today coughing a ton. It's probably just all the extra drool, but if he's got a fever or anything I'd take him along to the doc.
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Bardeh posted:Also why would you choose to circumcise your child 'based on demographics'? That's nonsense. It was actually kinda cute how the nurse tiptoed around saying we could have it done if we want but the government won't pay, it absolutely hurts and oh here's a factsheet about how it's nothing to do with cleanliness. If the guy with wang problems has what I think he has, there might also be nonsurgical options involving prescription cream and stretching. Talk to an MD, not just a therapist. I imagine cleanliness actually would be a problem if the foreskin doesn't retract at all.
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Apr 12, 2018 14:53
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Lacey posted:Smegma is so apparently so rare in the UK they have fridges with "S M E G" right across the front and no one finds it hilarious. Nah it's definitely funny. See also Red Dwarf.
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Apr 12, 2018 15:10
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Are there ways to encourage your child to have more patience? My 2 year old gets frustrated very easily and cries “doesn’t work!” or “broken” if a puzzle piece doesn’t fit on the first try, etc. I know this is typical for his age but I’m wondering what I can do or say to encourage him to keep trying or have more patience. Right now I say “it does work you just have to turn the piece” or “keep trying” but I sometimes feel like that makes things worse and he just gives up and is like “you do it then.” Any ideas?
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Apr 12, 2018 15:25
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Hi_Bears posted:Are there ways to encourage your child to have more patience? Not first hand since mine is even younger, but I read an article about letting your kid watch you have a difficult time doing tasks, and trying different techniques to do something can have an effect on child perseverance. Things like opening a latched box, or getting a cheerio out of a bottle by doing different actions, and verbalizing that you are trying different ways. Im phone posting so can’t find the article, but I’ll try to later if I remember.
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I was circumcised but chose not to do it on my son. I honestly don't see the point but I was never asked my opinion when it was done to me so I'll give him that choice instead. SpaceCadetBob posted:Not first hand since mine is even younger, but I read an article about letting your kid watch you have a difficult time doing tasks, and trying different techniques to do something can have an effect on child perseverance. I might have to try that. Mine gets bonks his head on the ground when he's frustrated and I'd really rather him not do that  I'm fine with him being frustrated and learning how to channel\communicate that but not the bonking.
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Otto Von Jizzmark posted:Our peditrician recommended it. Based on demographics, and lower infection risks, we choose to do it. I feel like the infection risks thing is misleading, or at least I remember it being based on lowering infection risks in populations based in poor/rural Africa rather than it being some special "it lowers them for everyone everywhere in every situation!"
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Apr 12, 2018 16:45
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It is misleading. For a real life example, see Europe.
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Apr 12, 2018 16:48
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Levitate posted:based on lowering infection risks in populations based in poor/rural Africa rather than it being some special "it lowers them for everyone everywhere in every situation!" I think I've read this too, and according to Google scholar, the most cited studies are research done in Africa.
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Apr 12, 2018 16:50
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I'm not circumcised and I'm married and looking to have kids soon? It's honestly not a big deal, my dad gave me a few talks about cleaning when I was young and then I was fine. As for "people will judge him" people judge you for literally everything. Being circumcised is something I've gotten the least poo poo about compared to e.g. being bald.
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Apr 12, 2018 18:04
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Hi_Bears posted:Are there ways to encourage your child to have more patience? Being patient yourself is the most important thing. And letting your child witness you being patient. When my 2 and a half son acts like that, I ask him to explain why he is pissed (often put the word in his mouth, like “you are angry because it’s difficult to put the piece in? Let’s try again together. With practice you’ll get better!”). I also put a lot of emphasis on the practice thing. Wow! You’re able to do this? Remember when you were younger you were unable to do it, but you practised a lot and got better!” And similar are sais really often.
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One last question about circumcision: how much of a pain is it to clean the kid's dick until he can for himself? Note that this is for mental preparation, not to help decide one way or the other.
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