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barnold
Dec 16, 2011


what do u do when yuo're born to play fps? guess there's nothing left to do but play fps. boom headshot

pofcorn posted:

Classic shell is no longer being developed though. You're gonna have to drink the kool-aid eventually when it stops working.

I lied, I'm using StartIsBack these days. I just used Classic Shell for so long that using that name is almost reflexive.

As a counterpoint to the other dude talking about how ~easy it is~ to open the start menu, you seem to have missed the part where I said I don't want to constantly have to open the start menu to see live tiles. How loving hard is that to understand? You don't have to go turbosperg on the Windows 10 Start Menu (a weird hill to die on in general) because you're not telling me anything new that I didn't already know about it. I don't want to use it. You're not going to change my mind by writing a slew of posts because you like something that I don't, lmao

c0burn posted:

So you want your loving weather visible at all times? This thread makes my head hurt at times.

Yes, you goober, that's literally what I said in my post. You might not, but I do. What's the problem here? Not everyone is sitting here with totally empty desktops using the start menu for everything, nor am I asking for some kind of Rainmeter setup with 50 widgets all over the place. All I want is the weather on the desktop. Why is that so bizarre to you?

Does it help if I explain why? I honestly was just asking a fairly straightforward yes/no question but I guess I'll entertain you. My desktop PC is one of the centerpieces of my whole media center setup. I'm not always sitting with the keyboard and mouse right in front of me to click on the start menu every time I want to see the weather forecast. I could leave my PC locked all the time and get the super brief "weather at a glance" thing that Windows does, but the Weather live tile is far more verbose in how it displays current and future conditions.

barnold fucked around with this message at 21:54 on Apr 12, 2018

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Hipster_Doofus
Dec 20, 2003

Lovin' every minute of it.
Personal preference is soooo 00's.

Hipster_Doofus fucked around with this message at 22:27 on Apr 12, 2018

Phoenixan
Jan 16, 2010

Just Keep Cool-idge
If you work in a creative field and noticed that Photoshop or Illustrator isn't working properly today, Microsoft updated Windows Ink to cause pens to scroll instead of draw by default. This was a conscious decision by the company, with the intent of adding in an option later in the settings panel or something.

More info here: https://forums.adobe.com/thread/2477168
And here: https://www.reddit.com/r/Windowsink/comments/8508fi/controlling_pen_behavior_in_windows_10/

Last Chance
Dec 31, 2004

Arivia posted:

I'm not going to disagree with that being an issue, but that's not an issue with the UI design of the start menu itself. It's a big problem with Windows 10 in general though - I had similar happen to me with my Quick Access items.

when the ui doesnt work, it's a ui design issue lol. its slow as poo poo and useless

Medullah
Aug 14, 2003

FEAR MY SHARK ROCKET IT REALLY SUCKS AND BLOWS

xamphear posted:

I see the cycle of the Windows 10 thread has come back around to the start menu debate. Good stuff. Definitely not something that has come up on multiple occasions.

Don't worry, we'll pass this part of the cycle and get back to Windows forcing me to update and restart soon!

fishmech
Jul 16, 2006

by VideoGames
Salad Prong

Tiny Tubesteak Tom posted:

I lied, I'm using StartIsBack these days. I just used Classic Shell for so long that using that name is almost reflexive.

As a counterpoint to the other dude talking about how ~easy it is~ to open the start menu, you seem to have missed the part where I said I don't want to constantly have to open the start menu to see live tiles. How loving hard is that to understand? You don't have to go turbosperg on the Windows 10 Start Menu (a weird hill to die on in general) because you're not telling me anything new that I didn't already know about it. I don't want to use it. You're not going to change my mind by writing a slew of posts because you like something that I don't, lmao


Yes, you goober, that's literally what I said in my post. You might not, but I do. What's the problem here? Not everyone is sitting here with totally empty desktops using the start menu for everything, nor am I asking for some kind of Rainmeter setup with 50 widgets all over the place. All I want is the weather on the desktop. Why is that so bizarre to you?

Does it help if I explain why? I honestly was just asking a fairly straightforward yes/no question but I guess I'll entertain you. My desktop PC is one of the centerpieces of my whole media center setup. I'm not always sitting with the keyboard and mouse right in front of me to click on the start menu every time I want to see the weather forecast. I could leave my PC locked all the time and get the super brief "weather at a glance" thing that Windows does, but the Weather live tile is far more verbose in how it displays current and future conditions.

What's the magical forcefield preventing you from opening the built in Weather app and just not closing it?

Look, you can even shrink it down a bunch to have in the corner:

Only registered members can see post attachments!

hooah
Feb 6, 2006
WTF?

Arivia posted:

Then you pin the Weather live tile to it. And then it's right there! And when you need to see the weather you press the Windows key AND WEATHER AMAZING

The weather live tile has never worked for me for more than a few days after an install. I've tried all the supposed fixes I've found online and nothing works. It's not a big deal, but it is really baffling.

Alpha Mayo
Jan 15, 2007
hi how are you?
there was this racist piece of shit in your av so I fixed it
you're welcome
pay it forward~

pofcorn posted:

Classic shell is no longer being developed though. You're gonna have to drink the kool-aid eventually when it stops working.

They open sourced it. I will use Classic Shell until nuclear hellfire wipes me off this planet.

Kerning Chameleon
Apr 8, 2015

by Cyrano4747

Alpha Mayo posted:

They open sourced it. I will use Classic Shell until nuclear hellfire wipes me off this planet.

Yeah, the moment Classic Shell actually breaks will also be the exact moment a fork is announced that all us CS users will flock to.

TimeWaster
Nov 1, 2011
Thanks fishmesh and TinyTubeSteakTom, I now have a weather "widget" that I never knew I needed.

Arcon
Jul 24, 2013
The weather live tile works great for me and I've used it since I started using pre release Windows 10. It's good and while I hated the Win8 start screen I think in the menu configuration they work. I actually try to use UWPs just for the live tiles.

1803 still has the UI lock up occasionally though. I hit a even worse version where it doesn't even come back up after a bit, or even with an explorer restart. Only had that one happen once though, before the Cumulative Update but after "RTM"

redeyes
Sep 14, 2002

by Fluffdaddy
Doubt anyone will run into this scenario but I had to upgrade a Dell XPS desktop with MBR Windows 7 and a 1TB hard drive to a 4TB main boot drive. The stupid dell had 3 partitions before the main C drive partition so mbr2gpt would fail. I ended up doing this which worked:

Clone 1TB to 4TB using acronis, this made a MBR max partition of 2TB for the main C drive. Computer boots fine.
Convert hard drive from MBR to GPT using the free AOMEI Partition Assistant Standard, now HD will not boot (bios changed to UEFI mode)
Install Windows 10 in UEFI mode in the remaining 2TB free space
command prompt -> Bcdboot D:\Windows (where D is where the older Windows 7 load was)
Boot to Windows 7 and remove the WIndows 10 partition, expand main 7 partition to fill the drive.

Combat Pretzel
Jun 23, 2004

No, seriously... what kurds?!
That UWP-Win32 interop poo poo is sure brittle as gently caress. In the upcoming update, they've moved the sound settings on the systray icon into the UWP settings app. For a while I could go into device properties from there, now it stopped working for no goddamn reason and I had to reboot for it to be usable again. They should just drop this stupid AppContainer poo poo, since it clearly doesn't work, i.e. third parties don't want to use it and internally it just creates grief. For instance, the taskbar and start menu are two separate processes communicating via bullshit means, because Microsoft is enforcing this poo poo internally, too. And we know how fun it is when UWP-side things break for no obvious reason. If the AppContainer restriction was gone for Immersive application windows, we/they could do away with this stupid poo poo. It needs to be optional.

Danyull
Jan 16, 2011

Is it normal for my Bluetooth connectivity to suck as much as it does? Every single time I want to use my headphones I have to remove and re-pair them or otherwise they don't connect at all. I never had this problem on Windows 7 or 8.1 with the same pair of headphones.

jokes
Dec 20, 2012

Uh... Kupo?

I have never been able to successfully pair bluetooth headphones to my PC with Windows 10. I'll try to pair them, it'll pair, but it'll never connect and won't get any audio out of the headphones/speakers. It's the worst.

W7, though, totally fine.

Lum
Aug 13, 2003

Looks like build 17133 isn't going to be the release version after all!

https://www.theregister.co.uk/2018/04/17/waiting_for_windows_10/

Edit: Other sources say it's 17133 is the release version, with a massive day one update to 17133.73 to fix the bugs.

Lum fucked around with this message at 21:05 on Apr 17, 2018

Kobata
Oct 11, 2012

Lum posted:

Looks like build 17133 isn't going to be the release version after all!

https://www.theregister.co.uk/2018/04/17/waiting_for_windows_10/

Edit: Other sources say it's 17133 is the release version, with a massive day one update to 17133.73 to fix the bugs.

17134 is already out on Fast and still calls itself 1803, they seem to have decided it makes more sense to integrate the fixes into a build so there's no time between the update for issues to happen.

17133.73 is just the current version on Slow/Preview with the April cumulative update.

Lum
Aug 13, 2003

But 17133 got sent to manufacturers, so someone's going to be royally pissed off right now!

For those non-insiders like me who installed 17133, here's the patch and instructions, if you just want to stick with it until the final build is definite:
https://www.tenforums.com/windows-10-news/106880-kb4100375-windows-10-insider-slow-rp-build-17133-73-apr-10-a-69.html

Lum fucked around with this message at 23:41 on Apr 17, 2018

redeyes
Sep 14, 2002

by Fluffdaddy

Lum posted:

But 17133 got sent to manufacturers, so someone's going to be royally pissed off right now!

According to ARS there is some blocking bluescreen causing bug.

Double Punctuation
Dec 30, 2009

Ships were made for sinking;
Whiskey made for drinking;
If we were made of cellophane
We'd all get stinking drunk much faster!
This is why you don’t install RTM builds with random utilities you got from dodgy websites.

redeyes
Sep 14, 2002

by Fluffdaddy

Double Punctuation posted:

This is why you don’t install RTM builds with random utilities you got from dodgy websites.

Don't be an e-tard. This isn't that. This is MS loving up at the 11th hour.

Lum
Aug 13, 2003

Yeah, like they literally gave 17133 images to Dell and HP and so-on to load onto machines about to ship.

Last Chance
Dec 31, 2004

Lol @ thinking MS can release a stable win 10 without loving something up. It's better to wait until the last possible second to upgrade to anything big like this with their track record. They beta test with users (and apparently OEMs) now, I'll stay out of that first batch, thx.

Last Chance
Dec 31, 2004

Last Chance posted:

Lum posted:

Anyone wanting the Spring Creator's Update early (without being an insider, or just needing an ISO), here you go:

https://pastebin.com/raw/mepnsM6D

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rrykk7E_2i0

dud root
Mar 30, 2008
Yeah I'm waiting until the first cumulative patch in a month or two

mystes
May 31, 2006

On average, people in this thread are applying updates at a reasonable time.

vanity slug
Jul 20, 2010

mystes posted:

On average, people in this thread are applying updates at a reasonable time.

Except for that one guy

mystes
May 31, 2006

Except for every individual person.

GreenNight
Feb 19, 2006
Turning the light on the darkest places, you and I know we got to face this now. We got to face this now.

I have 1803 on my laptop and gaming machine at home, it's been great so far. Just my minimal experience though.

Doctor_Fruitbat
Jun 2, 2013


Definitely a couple of weird graphical blips on my Surface, nothing major though.

Squatch Ambassador
Nov 12, 2008

What? Never seen a shaved Squatch before?
I've been testing 1803 for imaging/deploying compatibility and haven't run into any stability issues. Not that I'm going to rush to start using it in production. At least there aren't any changes that break my scripts or workflow this time.

Doctor_Fruitbat
Jun 2, 2013


I just discovered that extensions can be used in privacy mode on Edge now. At loving last.

BangersInMyKnickers
Nov 3, 2004

I have a thing for courageous dongles

Is there some mechanism that stops the extensions from making network calls and leaking potentially identifiable information or are they just yolo-ing it?

Doctor_Fruitbat
Jun 2, 2013


Take a wild guess. It does at least warn you when you enable it that Edge can't prevent the extension from collecting your browsing history, so I guess it's up to you whether you trust uBlock Origin not to tattle on your choice of pornography.

[edit] Although Chrome does say the exact same thing for its own extensions.

Doctor_Fruitbat fucked around with this message at 19:38 on Apr 18, 2018

Lum
Aug 13, 2003

Yeah 1803 is fine on my lappy too. Hell of an improvement over the last build.

Sucks for those with the BSODs I guess, but I like it,

WattsvilleBlues
Jan 25, 2005

Every demon wants his pound of flesh

Lum posted:

Yeah 1803 is fine on my lappy too. Hell of an improvement over the last build.

Sucks for those with the BSODs I guess, but I like it,

What have you found to be an improvement?

GreenNight
Feb 19, 2006
Turning the light on the darkest places, you and I know we got to face this now. We got to face this now.

It seems faster, but it might just be because it's a fresh OS load.

redeyes
Sep 14, 2002

by Fluffdaddy

GreenNight posted:

It seems faster, but it might just be because it's a fresh OS load.

I've got it on 3 computers and all are more snappy than before. But it is more like before there was odd lag that shouldn't have been there in the first place. Now feels more normal.

necrotic
Aug 2, 2005
I owe my brother big time for this!

BangersInMyKnickers posted:

Is there some mechanism that stops the extensions from making network calls and leaking potentially identifiable information or are they just yolo-ing it?

No browser that allows extensions in private browsing has any safety mechanisms. This is why you choose which extensions run in that mode.

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JUST MAKING CHILI
Feb 14, 2008
I have an older laptop that between its age and the 100% disk usage error, started to eat it's hard drive. I bought a new SSD, but the cloning software that it came with wouldn't allow me to clone the original HD onto the SSD.

I swapped in the SSD and installed a fresh version of Windows 10, but I couldn't get my key for Office to work. Once the SSD was installed, I tried the cloning software again, and it seemed to work! The original HD cloned over just fine, and my Office key was working again. However, it cloned whatever was causing the 100% disk usage too.

Luckily, the SSD is much better at handling it, but I'm trying to figure out how to fix it all while not having to do a fresh install and losing my Office keys again.


Any suggestions? Can I pull out the product key and reuse it with another fresh install? Can I just do a reset and fix whatever was causing the usage error?

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