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Aaod
May 29, 2004
I am looking to buy a thinkpad which when I priced it out on the site with the specs I need ran around 1k am I better off getting a refurbished model instead, waiting for potential back to school sales/price drops, or suck it up and buy non refurbished version if I plan on using it for the next couple years? Checked the original post in the thread and didn't see much mention of this sort of question so apologies if I missed it.

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Gobbeldygook
May 13, 2009
Hates Native American people and tries to justify their genocides.

Put this racist on ignore immediately!

Aaod posted:

I am looking to buy a thinkpad which when I priced it out on the site with the specs I need ran around 1k am I better off getting a refurbished model instead, waiting for potential back to school sales/price drops, or suck it up and buy non refurbished version if I plan on using it for the next couple years? Checked the original post in the thread and didn't see much mention of this sort of question so apologies if I missed it.
Try eBay. You can often find ThinkPad's from the previous generation that are still under warranty.

Boris Galerkin
Dec 17, 2011

I don't understand why I can't harass people online. Seriously, somebody please explain why I shouldn't be allowed to stalk others on social media!

Hadlock posted:

Ain't no shame in lappy stickers. Between our work laptops, personal laptops and livingroom-chromebooks we have six or seven laptops floating around the house, and from a distance it's hard to tell one silver or black slab apart from the other slabs.

I get mine from redbubble but there are lots of options. I just ordered some psychadelic jellyfish stickers to go with my blue whale. It's hard to tell from the photo but the lid of the new $200 windows pro laptop is a deep shade of blue. I like to trim mine down by hand with scissors, as Redbubble's "die cut" stickers have alarmingly large white borders.



1. You really like California.

2. Can you link me to that whale sticker? It's pretty amazing.

Rexxed
May 1, 2010

Dis is amazing!
I gotta try dis!

I'm not Hadlock but it looks like the first one in the blue whale section on redbubble (they have a lot of stickers):
https://www.redbubble.com/shop/blue+whale+stickers

I got a red panda one.

Hadlock
Nov 9, 2004

Looking forward to seeing photo of said red panda sticker when it arrives

Boris Galerkin posted:

1. You really like California.

2. Can you link me to that whale sticker? It's pretty amazing.

1. I work with a bunch of xenophobic california natives (I'm from Texas) trying to curry favor. My last work laptop had a couple of Texas stickers and chili pepper stickers

2. The link above is correct; the size pictured is 5.5" x 4.6" (medium), and the laptop it's attached to is a standard 11.6" "netbook" or "small chromebook"

credburn
Jun 22, 2016
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Guys, I'm an idiot and need help. Can someone tell me if this is a good deal for me?

https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=1TS-000X-00RV6&cm_sp=Homepage_FDD-_-P1_1TS-000X-00RV6-_-04152018

GeForce GTX 1050 Ti 4 GB GDDR5
Intel Core i7 7th Gen 7700HQ (2.80 GHz)
8 GB Memory 1 TB HDD 128 GB SSD
15.6" 1920 x 1080 In-plane Switching (IPS) Technology
15.02" x 10.35" x 0.94" 5.29 lbs.
1 x HDMI
1 x USB 3.0, 2 x USB 2.0, 1 x USB 3.1 Gen 1 Type-C

729.99

I'm going to be using it mostly as a creative device, for like writing on, podcast stuff, Powerpoint whatever, and maybe some games but probably not very many. I want 16 gb of RAM, but I don't know if it's difficult to upgrade RAM in a laptop. I've only ever upgraded desktop computers. I haven't done this in thirteen years I'm seriously behind, guys :(

NewFatMike
Jun 11, 2015

credburn posted:

Guys, I'm an idiot and need help. Can someone tell me if this is a good deal for me?

https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=1TS-000X-00RV6&cm_sp=Homepage_FDD-_-P1_1TS-000X-00RV6-_-04152018

GeForce GTX 1050 Ti 4 GB GDDR5
Intel Core i7 7th Gen 7700HQ (2.80 GHz)
8 GB Memory 1 TB HDD 128 GB SSD
15.6" 1920 x 1080 In-plane Switching (IPS) Technology
15.02" x 10.35" x 0.94" 5.29 lbs.
1 x HDMI
1 x USB 3.0, 2 x USB 2.0, 1 x USB 3.1 Gen 1 Type-C

729.99

I'm going to be using it mostly as a creative device, for like writing on, podcast stuff, Powerpoint whatever, and maybe some games but probably not very many. I want 16 gb of RAM, but I don't know if it's difficult to upgrade RAM in a laptop. I've only ever upgraded desktop computers. I haven't done this in thirteen years I'm seriously behind, guys :(

Doesn’t look too bad to me! Especially for $730. It looks like it has a 48Wh battery (listing each cell at each cell’s mAh is a sheisty move, NewEgg), so battery life probably will not be super great. Is that important for you?

Upgrading RAM in a laptop is case-by-case, so you have to check out reviews on each one (Dave2D usually addresses that particular feature). I think this is a review of that laptop, and it seems RAM is easy to upgrade on that one.

Side note: with those XPS updates announced in the last few weeks, did anyone catch if there were any Precision series updates? Got a loaner laptop after mine died, and I’m looking around for possible upgrades. Wish those Ryzen ThinkPads would come out to compare against, too.

foutre
Sep 4, 2011

:toot: RIP ZEEZ :toot:
Had anyone seen anything indicating the new Aero 15x is getting a 1440p screen option? It seems like an obvious choice for a 1070 laptop, but so far I'm only seeing 4k or 1080p.

More generally, I want a laptop with a 1060 or 1070 MaxQ, 6+ hours of battery life, relatively small form factor, that doesn't look super gamery. It seems like the Aero 14/15 are still the best options there, but are there some others I'm missing?

I previously tried a razer blade, but it kept overheating and bsod, and razer support was all kinds of unhelpful so I'm not super interested in trying that again.

E: basically, I just had my xps and gaming computer stolen and want something that can replace both...

Beer4TheBeerGod
Aug 23, 2004
Exciting Lemon
Are the 2-in-1 style laptops generally a bad idea?

I'm looking for a sub-$1000 lightweight laptop that will be good for watching lectures, taking notes, and performing research (MATLAB and Excel likely, possibly SolidWorks). I'm 6'9" so a larger laptop is fine. I would prefer something lightweight with good battery life.

credburn
Jun 22, 2016
A tangled skein of bad opinions, the hottest takes, and the the world's most misinformed nonsense. Do not engage with me, it's useless, and better yet, put me on ignore.
Okay, new newb question:

https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834850828&ignorebbr=1

Is this a good deal? I need something with a good keyboard, and the reviews I'm seeing says this is all around pretty good. gently caress if I can tell what is good and what isn't and what is a good deal anymore.

Mu Zeta
Oct 17, 2002

Me crush ass to dust

Beer4TheBeerGod posted:

Are the 2-in-1 style laptops generally a bad idea?

I'm looking for a sub-$1000 lightweight laptop that will be good for watching lectures, taking notes, and performing research (MATLAB and Excel likely, possibly SolidWorks). I'm 6'9" so a larger laptop is fine. I would prefer something lightweight with good battery life.

Why do you want the touch screen?

Prescription Combs
Apr 20, 2005
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credburn posted:

Okay, new newb question:

https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834850828&ignorebbr=1

Is this a good deal? I need something with a good keyboard, and the reviews I'm seeing says this is all around pretty good. gently caress if I can tell what is good and what isn't and what is a good deal anymore.

I would say that is not a good deal. Do you need a big, clunky, heavy laptop?

Beer4TheBeerGod
Aug 23, 2004
Exciting Lemon

Mu Zeta posted:

Why do you want the touch screen?

Writing notes, highlighting, etc. I could likely live without it, but since the primary goal is for research and note-taking it seems like a useful feature.

Hadlock
Nov 9, 2004

There's nothing wrong with getting a touchscreen laptop, except that it adds to the overall base cost, and you're stuck with a glossy screen for the life of the device.

My experience with touchscreen owners is that they use the touch option to scroll browsers and zoom Google maps perhaps 5% of the time.

If you're getting a touchscreen for note taking, make sure you get one that is compatible with your favorite brand of touchscreen pen, they are not all compatible.

I've never heard anyone say "i regret getting a touchscreen" but at the same time I haven't heard anyone say "I can't live without it". Touchscreen laptops were the result of a big (failed) marketing push by Microsoft to combine Windows laptops and mobile with a single interface. They've since backed away from that idea and nobody is super upset about it.

KingSlime
Mar 20, 2007
Wake up with the Kin-OH GOD WHAT IS THAT?!
I personally love touch screens on laptops. They're an absolute joy for editing docs, etc on the go where plugging in a mouse would just be a pain in the rear end. Even then, it's much easier for me to point to the place where I want my cursor to move when tweaking stuff. Given how universal the feature is, I'd never get another laptop without a touch screen because despite being a naysayer, I actually ended up using the feature a lot. This is especially true with smaller 10-12 inch devices.

I never even bother plugging a mouse in for most tasks. Touch screen is very convenient in all sorts of random poo poo, provided your computer use isn't exclusively in a place where you already have a mouse anyways.

credburn
Jun 22, 2016
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Prescription Combs posted:

I would say that is not a good deal. Do you need a big, clunky, heavy laptop?

Shrug. I don't care about its weight. I just want something with a keyboard that feels nice, a screen that looks good, and something with a lot of memory and space.

Shrimp or Shrimps
Feb 14, 2012


foutre posted:

Had anyone seen anything indicating the new Aero 15x is getting a 1440p screen option? It seems like an obvious choice for a 1070 laptop, but so far I'm only seeing 4k or 1080p.

More generally, I want a laptop with a 1060 or 1070 MaxQ, 6+ hours of battery life, relatively small form factor, that doesn't look super gamery. It seems like the Aero 14/15 are still the best options there, but are there some others I'm missing?

I previously tried a razer blade, but it kept overheating and bsod, and razer support was all kinds of unhelpful so I'm not super interested in trying that again.

E: basically, I just had my xps and gaming computer stolen and want something that can replace both...

AFAIK, no news on a 1440p panel coming. 1080p @ 144hz however seems a little out of reach for 1060 and even 1070MQ in AAA games. It's a shame there's no G-Sync and that Gigabyte didn't provide an Optimus switch like Asus did with their new ROG Zephyrus M.

The battery life is going to be the difficult one as few of the GTX1060/1070MQ laptops come with a battery as big as the Aero 15w / 15x.

With that said, if you're looking for compact (thin and/or small bezels) 15" GTX1060/1070MQ laptops, have a look at the MSI GS65, Clevo P950, and the Asus Zephyrus M. They all won't match on battery life, but you make compromises with the Aero, too.

If you can compromise on graphics and move down to a 1050ti, the XPS15 has just been refreshed with that.

Filthy Monkey
Jun 25, 2007

Beer4TheBeerGod posted:

Are the 2-in-1 style laptops generally a bad idea?

I'm looking for a sub-$1000 lightweight laptop that will be good for watching lectures, taking notes, and performing research (MATLAB and Excel likely, possibly SolidWorks). I'm 6'9" so a larger laptop is fine. I would prefer something lightweight with good battery life.
I have an hp x360 2-in-1 myself. Personally, I haven't found the actual 2-in-1 part of it all that useful. It is just too bulky to use folded up as a tablet. If you want a tablet, get a tablet.

That said, I do very much like the touchscreen aspect of it, and find myself using it quite frequently for scrolling, pinch zooming, and so on.

If you want a lightweight 2-in-1 that is somewhat solidworks capable, I really feel like your best option is the new 2-in-1 xps15 with vega graphics.

Still debating new laptops myself. Right now I am mostly considering between the xps15 (non 2-in-1), the aero 15x, and the gs65. I would like to see some in depth reviews of the new xps15 first.

At the moment, I am probably leaning xps15, due to the fact that I am not specifically getting this to be a gaming laptop, but rather a working laptop that can run the occasional casual game. The xps looks to be built better, and doesn't have things like the msi's spiderman keycap font. I like the fact that the 4k xps screen is a touchscreen as well, which, as stated above, I do find myself using.

Honestly, the vega m graphics in the 2-in-1 would probably be enough for me, but I haven't found myself liking super shallow keyboards like what is on the MBP.

dissss
Nov 10, 2007

I'm a terrible forums poster with terrible opinions.

Here's a cat fucking a squid.

KingSlime posted:


I never even bother plugging a mouse in for most tasks. Touch screen is very convenient in all sorts of random poo poo, provided your computer use isn't exclusively in a place where you already have a mouse anyways.

Why would you need to plug a mouse in to a laptop?

Anyway I regret buying a Surface Pro and a lot of that is down to the touchscreen - its easily damaged, super glossy and a total fingerprint magnet. It also adds to thickness and weight and drains the battery faster than a normal display would.

Mu Zeta
Oct 17, 2002

Me crush ass to dust

I hate touch screens. Why put your disgusting greasy fingerprints all over the laptop?

TITTIEKISSER69
Mar 19, 2005

SAVE THE BEES
PLANT MORE TREES
CLEAN THE SEAS
KISS TITTIESS




credburn posted:

Okay, new newb question:

https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834850828&ignorebbr=1

Is this a good deal? I need something with a good keyboard, and the reviews I'm seeing says this is all around pretty good. gently caress if I can tell what is good and what isn't and what is a good deal anymore.

It likely has a great keyboard, given that it's a ThinkPad and W series at that. For me it's hard to stomach spending that much on a model that's 4 generations old.

KingSlime
Mar 20, 2007
Wake up with the Kin-OH GOD WHAT IS THAT?!

Mu Zeta posted:

I hate touch screens. Why put your disgusting greasy fingerprints all over the laptop?

You're supposed to regularly wipe down all displays, even non touch screen ones. I agree that they're fingerprint magnets but it's not a big deal. No worse than any smartphone anyways

That said I would probably avoid using the touch screen more often on a proper, bulkier 14 or 15 inch. It might be too cumbersome. On smaller displays however it's a treat

Tsyni
Sep 1, 2004
Lipstick Apathy

Mu Zeta posted:

I hate touch screens. Why put your disgusting greasy fingerprints all over the laptop?

Worf
Sep 12, 2017

If only Seth would love me like I love him!

ever since switching to a QHD+ touch screen my penis keeps pausing the videos on pornhub and i havent found a workaround

so yeah touch screens are pretty stupid

credburn
Jun 22, 2016
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TITTIEKISSER69 posted:

It likely has a great keyboard, given that it's a ThinkPad and W series at that. For me it's hard to stomach spending that much on a model that's 4 generations old.

What should I get instead? Like, that's my budget, somewhere around that. I want a lot of RAM, an SSD with/(and also an HDD with) a lot of space, and a video card that is kinda capable. I don't need a gaming rig, but I might want to dick around on something once in a while. But most importantly, a full, comfortable keyboard. Argh I feel so lost here!

Worf
Sep 12, 2017

If only Seth would love me like I love him!

credburn posted:

What should I get instead? Like, that's my budget, somewhere around that. I want a lot of RAM, an SSD with/(and also an HDD with) a lot of space, and a video card that is kinda capable. I don't need a gaming rig, but I might want to dick around on something once in a while. But most importantly, a full, comfortable keyboard. Argh I feel so lost here!

Acer Aspire E 15, 15.6" Full HD, 8th Gen Intel Core i5-8250U, GeForce MX150, 8GB RAM Memory, 256GB SSD, E5-576G-5762 https://www.amazon.com/dp/B075FLBJV7/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_8yc1AbHJN39J1

Something like that? $599, upgradeable hd and ram, with dedicated graphics. Big enough that the keyboard should be decent too.

All current gen stuff

TITTIEKISSER69
Mar 19, 2005

SAVE THE BEES
PLANT MORE TREES
CLEAN THE SEAS
KISS TITTIESS




If you want the ThinkPad keyboard experience, go to outlet.lenovo.com and search for 14" screen size with 8GB RAM, there are some T470s marked as Scratch & Dent a little under $700.

dissss
Nov 10, 2007

I'm a terrible forums poster with terrible opinions.

Here's a cat fucking a squid.

Statutory Ape posted:

Acer Aspire E 15, 15.6" Full HD, 8th Gen Intel Core i5-8250U, GeForce MX150, 8GB RAM Memory, 256GB SSD, E5-576G-5762 https://www.amazon.com/dp/B075FLBJV7/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_8yc1AbHJN39J1

Something like that? $599, upgradeable hd and ram, with dedicated graphics. Big enough that the keyboard should be decent too.

All current gen stuff

That has a crummy keyboard and while the processor is newer it definitely isn't as fast as the one in the Thinkpad

dissss
Nov 10, 2007

I'm a terrible forums poster with terrible opinions.

Here's a cat fucking a squid.

KingSlime posted:

You're supposed to regularly wipe down all displays, even non touch screen ones.

Why? Unless you sneeze on it or something a screen isn't going to get dirty if you don't touch it.

Atomizer
Jun 24, 2007



dissss posted:

That has a crummy keyboard and while the processor is newer it definitely isn't as fast as the one in the Thinkpad

The Acer E15 keyboards aren't bad at all, and they're backlit, even in the $350 budget one we recommend. There's nothing wrong with the 8250U CPU either.

dissss posted:

Why? Unless you sneeze on it or something a screen isn't going to get dirty if you don't touch it.

Unless you're working in a clean room 100% of the time, then yes, a display (and every other surface) will collect dust and other stuff even if you're not touching it. If you don't believe me, shine a flashlight perpendicularly across something (a display or other smooth surface) and see for yourself.

Hadlock
Nov 9, 2004

credburn posted:

Okay, new newb question:

https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834850828&ignorebbr=1

Is this a good deal? I need something with a good keyboard, and the reviews I'm seeing says this is all around pretty good. gently caress if I can tell what is good and what isn't and what is a good deal anymore.

No, it's not.

Go on ebay and get a refurb T560 for a similar price, it will only be 2 years old(ish) and equal in quality to that one. Just find a reseller with over 1000 transactions and a 99.9% rating and you'll be fine. I promise.

KingSlime
Mar 20, 2007
Wake up with the Kin-OH GOD WHAT IS THAT?!

Atomizer posted:

The Acer E15 keyboards aren't bad at all, and they're backlit, even in the $350 budget one we recommend. There's nothing wrong with the 8250U CPU either.


Unless you're working in a clean room 100% of the time, then yes, a display (and every other surface) will collect dust and other stuff even if you're not touching it. If you don't believe me, shine a flashlight perpendicularly across something (a display or other smooth surface) and see for yourself.

Exactly. Same reason you're supposed to clean every corner of your home regularly, even the weird unused corners

MerrMan
Aug 3, 2003

Hey everyone - I'm looking for a new laptop. Duh, I guess. My surface book has started to regularly crash from some unknown hardware failure so it's time.

Budget: ~$1000 US (if there's a compelling argument to go over this, I'm all ears - just setting a general case)
Size: 13 or 15, either is probably fine. Just looking for the best bang/buck
Style: I didn't use the touch screen or tablet mode of the surface book nearly as much as I had intended / thought I might. So I guess just a traditional laptop.
Use: I’ve got a full desktop, so at home it’s mostly just a youtube / web browsing machine. I do travel a fair bit, though, so I’m going to call it a requirement that it run dota2 well. Doesn’t have to be 60fps on ultra, but I really need that dota on the road.

I’ve poked around a little bit, and this was I think the best candidate I found:
https://www.amazon.com/UX331UN-WS51T-Ultra-Slim-WideView-Processor-Fingerprint/dp/B078T1715R

The MX150 seems like it might be in a sweet spot for dota. There is this article that SwissArmyDruid posted a few pages back (https://www.anandtech.com/show/12565/nvidia-silently-rolls-out-slower-mx150-for-ultrabooks) that talks about the lower performing MX150 which is (apparently?) included in this model which has me a bit worried. Any of the benchmarks I can find are from well before this article was written so that’s a bit unsettling.

EDIT: Actually, this one just above (Acer Aspire E 15) seems pretty alright for what I’m interested as well. It’s quite a bit cheaper but also quite a bit heavier (5.3lb compared to 2.5). I don’t have a good feeling for what the difference would be carrying that thing through an airport. Loos like my surface book is ~3.5 so it would be a little heavier, but maybe not too bad?

MerrMan fucked around with this message at 19:20 on Apr 16, 2018

Hadlock
Nov 9, 2004

For a cool grand, just buy an XPS 13

That Asus is just a knock off of the XPS 13

baka kaba
Jul 19, 2003

PLEASE ASK ME, THE SELF-PROFESSED NO #1 PAUL CATTERMOLE FAN IN THE SOMETHING AWFUL S-CLUB 7 MEGATHREAD, TO NAME A SINGLE SONG BY HIS EXCELLENT NU-METAL SIDE PROJECT, SKUA, AND IF I CAN'T PLEASE TELL ME TO
EAT SHIT

Well here's a review of that laptop with some benchmarks for games

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GWRwuilpbGw&t=3s

Those scores look fine to me? The MX150 isn't a powerhouse, but it's capable of running games at a "good enough" level in a thin and light machine. I don't know if that's running a cut-down version, but if that gives you "good enough" without high temperatures or throttling, then you're getting a good experience in the kind of laptop you want

Feels like chasing specs at this level isn't worth it, just compare reviews of machines you like the look of (here's one for that model)

dissss
Nov 10, 2007

I'm a terrible forums poster with terrible opinions.

Here's a cat fucking a squid.

Atomizer posted:

The Acer E15 keyboards aren't bad at all, and they're backlit, even in the $350 budget one we recommend. There's nothing wrong with the 8250U CPU either.

Certainly not as good the other option, and not what I'd pick if keyboard quality was high up the priority list.

Atomizer posted:

Unless you're working in a clean room 100% of the time, then yes, a display (and every other surface) will collect dust and other stuff even if you're not touching it. If you don't believe me, shine a flashlight perpendicularly across something (a display or other smooth surface) and see for yourself.

Dusty isn't the same thing as a mess of fingerprints. I might have to dust my desktop displays once a month, while the touchscreen on this Surface Pro I'm using gets disgusting after like five minutes use.

Worf
Sep 12, 2017

If only Seth would love me like I love him!

sounds like the problem is you, tbh

dissss
Nov 10, 2007

I'm a terrible forums poster with terrible opinions.

Here's a cat fucking a squid.

Statutory Ape posted:

sounds like the problem is you, tbh

Humans are greasy creatures. Also the type cover for the Surface Pro rubs up against the display and removes most of the oleophobic coating which doesn't help any

Seamonster
Apr 30, 2007

IMMER SIEGREICH
Can anyone tell me what the Uncore reading in HWMonitor is? I have a XPS 15 that undervolts nicely but the drat Uncore wattage stays 10-12 watts even at idle and I don't know how to reduce that in Throttlestop.

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Mince Pieface
Feb 1, 2006

So I'm looking at a new laptop for secondary gaming, movies, maybe art. I'm sorta intrigued by the 2 in 1 thing and think it would benefit some of the tabletop gaming purposes I have in mind. I'm looking at the ThinkPad X1 Yoga, XPS 15, or Surface Pro. Any other recommendations of similar types or opinions on which of those is the best?

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