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Waroduce posted:so what the gently caress ya'll think I should ask for Product Owner? the person who does all that stuff at my company has Buisness Analyst as their title but i think that's a poo poo title Waroduce posted:Rails was hot as gently caress like 5-7 years ago and a C-level exec of Ultimate Software advised that I learn to code it because it's going to be super in demand for a while and it would get me loving paid and they couldn't find enough devs to use it and no one was writing in it. He told me this over several expensive whiskeys and cigars in a cigar bar in Weston Florida while i tried to sell him copiers. god bless that man. . 
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qhat posted:Consider it a shot on goal. You're doing something right if you're even getting to that stage and it's just a matter of time before you get lucky. just for more context, the farthest I got in the hiring processes were for american companies hiring remote. which is interesting because I sent way less resumes for companies like these but the feedback was way more promising, even if realistically speaking I was biting way more than I could chew. the local companies I'm getting absolutely nothing, I got a few interviews with HR but didn't even made to the technical ones. those interviews felt more like they did them just to fill a quota. I don't think I'm worthless nor I'm legitimizing the process, I'm just not feeling anymore like this is a job market that it's in my reach. on a more positive note: maybe I'll limit myself to foreign job ads idk
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If you're not even getting past HR in jobs that theoretically up your alley then maybe there's a sticking point in your resume, like maybe you're not selling yourself hard enough. It takes a long time of trial and error to perfect a resume. But idk.
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Symbolic Butt posted:just for more context, the farthest I got in the hiring processes were for american companies hiring remote. which is interesting because I sent way less resumes for companies like these but the feedback was way more promising, even if realistically speaking I was biting way more than I could chew. remote is poo poo Symbolic Butt posted:the local companies I'm getting absolutely nothing, I got a few interviews with HR but didn't even made to the technical ones. those interviews felt more like they did them just to fill a quota. it's possible that your local job market sucks. it may have nothing to do with you at all! Symbolic Butt posted:on a more positive note: maybe I'll limit myself to foreign job ads idk why on earth would someone fly you across the world and go through elaborate visa processes to get you residency? i am not being snide. it's just a question you need to ask yourself. what is the point for my employer? if you live in canada, looking at u.s. jobs, there's good reason -- it's very easy to get a nafta visa. the same is not true for, say, living in the u.s., looking at u.k. jobs.
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jony neuemonic posted:remote can be rough but it’s the only way i’m getting a decent salary so i’ll give it another go. i would think about this long and hard, especially if you are at the beginning of your career. remote is a big ole poo poo sandwich, and the poo poo's piled deeper for younger, less senior staff the biggest blow is that you lose most of your learning opportunities, right off the bat. you will understand less of the political situation, you will learn less about the technology, you will pick up fewer new techniques from your coworkers you are forever excluded from all the good stuff that happens in an office as a junior staffer, you are selling your future self short, because your present-day experience will build less skill for the rest of your career -- the next biggest blow is that remote staff are easy to fire. as already mentioned, you will know less about the political situation than folks at hq. additionally, remote staff deliver less than local staff -- they just cost more to get less. you are basically an outsourced employee in india, except, you cost 10x as much. this is especially bad for all-remote companies -- basically the executives and their cronies are "hq," and you can't even visit hq, because it happens entirely in their private chat rooms and conference calls.
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:why on earth would someone fly you across the world and go through elaborate visa processes to get you residency? I meant just remote, I definitely don't have any pretensions like that
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:i would think about this long and hard, especially if you are at the beginning of your career. remote is a big ole poo poo sandwich, and the poo poo's piled deeper for younger, less senior staff hm. i've been at this for five-ish years, so not exactly at the beginning but i wouldn't say i'm an old hand or anything. man, i just want a decent local job market that doesn't require living in vancouver or toronto. 
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:i would think about this long and hard, especially if you are at the beginning of your career. remote is a big ole poo poo sandwich, and the poo poo's piled deeper for younger, less senior staff what's your opinion on remote work if you're in consulting? currently half of my jobs have me flying out to work face-to-face with the client and the other half are totally remote. my company is pretty proactive on flying everyone out to an office at least once a year for a party so everyone gets face time and so far i've been pretty happy with this gig.
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Seconding (or whatever) the opinion that remote work sucks. Don't under estimate the importance of getting lunch with the team, after work beers, etc. Not only is it good to make personal relationships with your peers and possibly higher-ups, but these outings inevitably talk about work, and its a good time to shine especially if you're more junior (maybe you're not invited to the big design meeting, but you can always bring up ideas informally) Also theres just the quality of life... I worked remote for about a year and found it incredibly isolating. Just getting out of the house and talking to people is important, even if you have a big network of family and friends. A lot of my friends and former coworkers that are still working remote have similar opinions: they never leave their house anymore. Maybe you don't mind that, but I hated it.
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Rex-Goliath posted:what's your opinion on remote work if you're in consulting? It's easier to look for a better job when you're in that situation, I suppose.
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Rex-Goliath posted:what's your opinion on remote work if you're in consulting? currently half of my jobs have me flying out to work face-to-face with the client and the other half are totally remote. my company is pretty proactive on flying everyone out to an office at least once a year for a party so everyone gets face time and so far i've been pretty happy with this gig. the risks wrt learning are still present the risks wrt politics are entirely absent. as a consultant, only two numbers matter: your billings, and your billable ratio. you never, ever wonder where you stand with hq if you know those numbers are good.
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jony neuemonic posted:hm. i've been at this for five-ish years, so not exactly at the beginning but i wouldn't say i'm an old hand or anything. this is the stage of your career where you build the most value. where mentoring becomes most essential to your progress. you can't just crack a book and hit it, because you are moving onto the higher-level skills: how to navigate a political environment, where to apply pressure, which exercises are worth the business' time and money jony neuemonic posted:man, i just want a decent local job market that doesn't require living in vancouver or toronto. no doubt you do want that, but wishing don't make it so there are some very hard choices in your future
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eh, i managed to get out of php hell. i’ll figure this out too.
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jony neuemonic posted:eh, i managed to get out of php hell. i’ll figure this out too. you can do basically anything then
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Woo just found out I got the PO Role and a decent raise to go along with it.
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All-company meeting, bonuses and raises coming on Friday. 
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TerminalRaptor posted:Woo just found out I got the PO Role and a decent raise to go along with it. congrats! 
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qhat posted:I remember spending 6 months solidly applying for jobs and I never got any offers in that time, so yeah it would be accurate to say I felt pretty worthless even though I was still solving complex problems in that time. Then when I finally got an offer and saw the internal state of that company, my mindset changed from "I'm worth way less that I thought" to "holy loving poo poo no, I was right all along how did these people even get their jobs". Good at getting/keeping job != ANYTHING to do with being a good programmer or decent person at all.
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I think I have a job offer pending references. I might even have another at a nonprofit that does good stuff (water resources) If I get one I'm probably canceling on the trip to DC, not because I'm petulant, but going thousands of miles for a maybe is dumb and interviewing is killing me.
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Space Whale posted:I think I have a job offer pending references. this is a terrible attitude i know job seeking sucks, but getting multiple offers to land at the same time is how you do it
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Waroduce posted:The area I need assistance and advice on is title for my role. I discussed my role in an earlier post (quoted below bolded most relevant) and mentioned I would like a title change and some new loving business cards. Considering the advice I received earlier in the thread I asked immediately for Product Manager (former sales, I'm a big believer in asking for everything and making someone say no. Shoot your shot etc etc) and he shot it down pretty hard. Not because it's not an appropriate or doesn't describe what I do but because more senior people have asked for and have not been given it, and the CEO has made a decision that he does not want to use that title in the corporate structure. My COO said that I could come up with something else to ask for and he would consider anything but Product Manager is out. He suggested something like "Product Analyst" if I really wanted something like that as well as "Enterprise Implementation Manager", "CRM Implementation Manager" or well anything but Product Manager Head of Technology Delivery
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qhat posted:It's a real kick in the teeth to get rejected because your interviewer is an objective idiot, but just remember that if they did give you an offer, you'd actually have to work with this imbecile every single day. Earlier in the thread (and I couldn't find it, I did look though), someone said "Don't work for people you don't respect. Best case scenario is you regret it." Don't work for people you don't respect, they'll make you do things you won't respect yourself for having done.
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got an email thanking me for interviewing and wishing me the best of luck in my job search even though my interview was scheduled for next week (thanks State of Maine  )im kind of expecting this from the other 2 places that i'm supposed to have interviews at "in the next week" oh well, Facebook interview coming up and also a few interviews for other government jobs that hopefully won't leave me hanging again
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Shaman Linavi posted:got an email thanking me for interviewing and wishing me the best of luck in my job search even though my interview was scheduled for next week (thanks State of Maine  That beats my record of getting called in on very short notice by a very exited HR drone, interviewing at Fiserv (out in Brookfield) and getting a rejection email by the time I got home (by Lake Michigan, like 20 freeway miles?)
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:i would think about this long and hard, especially if you are at the beginning of your career. remote is a big ole poo poo sandwich, and the poo poo's piled deeper for younger, less senior staff The stuff you're describing is really the experience of someone who is the only remote employee in a team. If you are working on an actual remote team (with more than half of the employees also being remote), then you are not losing on chances to learn, you're probably getting more of them: technical discussions and decisions are likely all discussed and documented through some long-standing medium, whether through mailing list archives, issues, or whatever. Frankly, a good distributed team can operate a bit like an open source project would. What's interesting is that instead of only being part of interesting discussions if you happen to be at the right lunch table or watercooler, you can just subscribe to about anything and go learn about whatever you want. I've found office work to be drastically less prone to knowledge sharing because you tend to get far more restricted in terms of scope of what you can get. ADINSX posted:Seconding (or whatever) the opinion that remote work sucks. Don't under estimate the importance of getting lunch with the team, after work beers, etc. Not only is it good to make personal relationships with your peers and possibly higher-ups, but these outings inevitably talk about work, and its a good time to shine especially if you're more junior (maybe you're not invited to the big design meeting, but you can always bring up ideas informally) That definitely depends on personality, I find. I also think it's kinda bullshit if you have to hang out with people after work to talk about work in order to be good about work. I'd just get out of there and go for a place where coworkers can talk about something else than work when away from there.
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MononcQc posted:That definitely depends on personality, I find. I also think it's kinda bullshit if you have to hang out with people after work to talk about work in order to be good about work. I'd just get out of there and go for a place where coworkers can talk about something else than work when away from there. Don't hate the player, hate the game. Happy hour isn't all about work, but being that work is the only thing everyone is guaranteed to have in common, it comes up. I do agree that things can be different if the team is fully remote, thats a good point.
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ADINSX posted:Don't hate the player, hate the game. Happy hour isn't all about work, but being that work is the only thing everyone is guaranteed to have in common, it comes up. i'm gonna clue you in on this one weird trick that makes after-hours engagements with workers great i learned it when i went to a house party hosted by one of my clients at my old job "the rule is simple: if you mention work in any capacity you take a shot"
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Rex-Goliath posted:i'm gonna clue you in on this one weird trick that makes after-hours engagements with workers great It seems this policy might create increasingly-perverse incentives as the night progressed?
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Socializing with your peers is the oil that makes the engine run smoothly. I can't count the number of times a junior engineer who never involved themselves with socials comes up asking for help all fidgety and nervous because they literally have no idea who I am. You don't have to be their best friend, but at least knowing they're not a robot rear end in a top hat helps get things done.
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Schadenboner posted:It seems this policy might create increasingly-perverse incentives as the night progressed? It was a house party so yeah
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Trimson Grondag 3 posted:Head of Technology Delivery I guess this is kind of sexy and makes it sound like I run multiple entities instead of 5 people
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"if they really want this job they'll walk around this conference room on all fours barking like a dog when i tell them to"
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Shaman Linavi posted:
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Rex-Goliath posted:holy 
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Shaman Linavi posted:
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